And we end up with Boris?

 

you have your thoughts and i have mine,neither of us will change our mind.

the first step to curb the mass migration is to leave the e.u then ill worry about the rest.

ive never been more sure of a vote.

 

Fair enough, and I do understand where you are coming from.


Some parts of the country have been badly impacted by migration, I get that, and it must have a huge influence on the way you see things.


The government hasn't handle the integration of communities at all well, and certainly hasn't / didn't anticipate the strain on some public services.


It's not like that in most places though, and immigration, on balance has been and remains to be a necessity for our economy to function properly(and will be increasingly so as the population ages)

 

it has influenced the way i see things greatly and i live in a town thats not got as may as some towns.

if we stay in the eu there is no doubt there will be no stopping anymore coming, if we leave at least we have a chance of some control and that chance is good enough for me.

what i do not like is they do not intergrate,they hang around in groups drinking and spitting which i have witnessed lots in my town.

but another point of view is the strain on services like schools and hospitals.

what really got my goat was when my daughter was asked by her teacher to learn some polish phrases to help the polish students at her school.

my reply was "why dont they learn some english to help themselves"

i do agree that the brexit campaign is basically based on one issue,immigration but like me its the one and only issue that really bothers and effects the average working man in the street.

 

Because it works both ways. They learn a bit of English, your daughter learns a bit of Polish and everybody becomes a little less different. Not a bad idea from the teacher tbh.

 

nope.

she is english,she lives in england,she goes to an english school.

this is my point, they lack intergration as they cant speak the language, imagine how difficult that makes a class to teach, they are wasting time doing other things like trying to speak polish when they should be teaching.
polish is not in the curriculum so its deemed not important to the government therefore why should my daughter learn it?
a strain on the resources again.

 

I'm English, I went to an English school. Up to year 10 I was taught French and Italian (the school also offered German). At primary school we also touched on Latin, ancient Egyptian and Hebrew.

They aren't asking the kids to exclusively speak Polish, they're just encouraging them to learn a few phrases to help with integration.

 

I couldn't agree more!

I truely sympathise with those who live in areas massively impacted by immigration and I understand the strain it puts on the system. But its a UK problem to address those strains on housing, schools and NHS etc.

However, I too have been through the process of immigration in Germany and I can tell you first hand integration is not easy!

First you have to get over the loss of family and friends. Then there is a new environment with a different language and different rules. The local communities are often not very welcomming when you don't spean the language, so the natural tendancy is to group with people who speak your own language - which of course limits your ability to integrate. Like many migrants, I too did the easy thing, got in with the English speaking community and really failed to integrate into German society!

I did however try to learn German and after about 7 years, my German was pretty much fluent, and then I was really able to start integrating into society. I still had English speaking friends, but I also started to join clubs and join in with the local communities and finally felt welcome. Just like many people in the UK, the Germans didn't really have a problem with immigrants, just that the immigrants don't integrate! Unfortunately I know many Brits that have never made the effort to learn German and have never really integrated.

Seeing the issue from both sides, I realise that immigration is a two way thing! Of course the immigrants need to integrate, but the local population also have to help them and make them feel welcome. Learning a few phrases in Polish, Romanian, Spanish or whatever can really help them to feel welcome and to integrate.

If you see them hanging around on the street, why not invite them to the pub for a drink and a chat! You may find you have a lot more in common with them than you think! I really wish more people in Germany had approched me and asked me to join them!

 

You betcha


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...pport-11436184

 

I heard in the radio today that the German Criket federation has seen an explosive increase in interest and membership from the immigrant community

The head of the federation talked all the thing in you post

And I though isn't that fantastic 10 to 15 years Germany could have a test side

and I also don't want to downplay some the effect of immigration on some communities

 

The relevant bit was to answer why we need so many foreigners to work and support our topsy turvi age demographic of oldies that need welfare support.

Meanwhile we have the likes of TATA getting its pension burdens wiped off to make it sellable to the next bunch of asset strippers...Its not a isolated case, for example Qinetic forcibly offloaded it's pension burden that it inherited from DERA. I believe Ruston turbines went the same way when Siemens took over.
I know my private pension is all but useless; there is no way it'll allow a decent retirement fund..it would have been better off invested in property...but the current bunch of oldies have beaten me to it.

Of course Brexit makes no difference to this. Well maybe except if we nationalise our steel industry....but then the French do it with Renault and EDF and so do the Germans, so we can argue a case if the relevant politician was bothered enough.

But yeah let's go back to the sound bites and blame it on Brown

 

It's bizarre really , we let these navvies over here to do bit work earn some cash cos there's not much back home, and they have the bloody cheek to complain about the polish invasion

 

Well farage wins the debate on itv hands down....

 

Haha, just watching question time and even the official leave campaign are dissing Farage! If you believe anything that comes out of that xenophobic looney, then there really is no helping you!

 

You do know he's married to a German? Oh sorry, facts aren't relevant to you idiots....

 

https://i.engage.ms/RedBox/ITVCameronFarage

 

Both had a hard time in itv, Farage was a clear winner. Cameron was evasive on mass immigration and was at one point boo`d by the audience when he refused to state when he would get immigration under control.

 

They do say that some jobs are only fit for EU immigrants

 

Growing up in west London I am well aware of the integration of some Irish

Drinking in the pubs in Kilburn in the 80's you would often see fundraising for the IRA in open display

Indeed on pub was well known to be the de facto HQ of the IRA in london

So sorry, but I am not buying what you are selling

 

Całkiem dobrze!

 

But what happens when they get old? Who's going to look after them in their old age (along with the rest of Brits)? An even greater influx of migrants? And if so, who will look after them in their old age? At what point will the UK infrastructure be unable to cope? When the population hits 80 million? 100 million? 150 million? 250 million?

Although there is undoubtedly an argument that large amounts of immigration can help in the short term, in the longer term, this approach smacks of a giant Ponzi scheme

 

Obviously the demographic issue will ultimately resolve itself over the next 40 years or so.

 

Ultimately the working age is going to keep rising to mitigate the issue, or something with a bit more imagination. Stopping immigration doesn't help either way, though.


Despite warren's assertion that UK population growth is static or negligible, it has nearly double since 1900, and not in the last 10 years as he would like to have you believe.

 

I do agree that one way or another, people are going to have to work much, much longer to free up resources to care for the very old. The idea that you can retire at 60 or 65 and enjoy 30 years of leisure courtesy of the younger generation is simply not sustainable. However, what politician is going to have the bottle to grasp the nettle..?

 

To be fair, they already have. State pension age has already gone up to 67 if you're born after a certain year, and it will be related to life expectancy going forward. My kids will be at least 70 before they can get their state pension.


I would imagine most companies will fall in line (some already have) and the days of early retirement will be a distant memory.

 

What is British anyway? The true British are the Celts! Everyone else is an immigrant of some form, be it from Romans, Vikings, Saxons (Germans), French and more recently from all the commonwealth countries! Immigrants have always come here, they have children, their children have children and at some point they only know themselves as British and will probably also complain about the immigrants!

 

Nationality, origin, race or ethnicity is completely irrelevant in this argument. It's all about numbers, infrastructure and sustainability

 

Numbers, infrastructure and sustainability are also irrelevant as they are UK problems and not problems with the EU!

Yes, you're going to argue again that numbers are an EU problem, but there are currently more non-EU migrants coming than EU migrants and we have full control over them! The number of EU migrants would certainly be sustainable if we stopped non-EU migrants!

 

Finally, some sense! Unfortunately for the die-hard liberals it's always got to involve race/region/sex etc

We really would be screwed if we ever had to go to war again. I think a large chunk of the male population could actually be classified as 'feminists' now... Is there some sort of large scale castration of white males taking place? In some cases a lobotomy thrown in for good measure?

 

Is anybody else just slightly suspicious of the 'scramble for registration' going on at the moment - over 214,000 per hour!! registering last night until the servers crashed.
Where are all these people coming from? - who leaves it to the last hour on the last day to register?

Cameron is still telling people to Keep on Registering and they will have an emergency change of law to allow late registration..... the fact that all these supposedly 'young' voters are probably 'Remainers' is helping his generosity maybe.....

Or is it just me.....