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#1381
Is anybody else just slightly suspicious of the 'scramble for registration' going on at the moment - over 214,000 per hour!! registering last night until the servers crashed.
Where are all these people coming from? - who leaves it to the last hour on the last day to register?
Cameron is still telling people to Keep on Registering and they will have an emergency change of law to allow late registration..... the fact that all these supposedly 'young' voters are probably 'Remainers' is helping his generosity maybe.....
Or is it just me.....
Where are all these people coming from? - who leaves it to the last hour on the last day to register?
Cameron is still telling people to Keep on Registering and they will have an emergency change of law to allow late registration..... the fact that all these supposedly 'young' voters are probably 'Remainers' is helping his generosity maybe.....
Or is it just me.....
Bit like in Austria, looked like the Freedom party would win based on exit polls, then oh postal votes get counted and those lose by a fraction...
#1382
One thing you can be sure of, is everyone who wants to leave will turn up! So if there is a low turnout, leave will certainly win. If there is a higher turnout, then remain is more likely!
#1383
Mostly students who were too lazy to register until the last minute and older people who maybe didn't know they had to!
One thing you can be sure of, is everyone who wants to leave will turn up! So if there is a low turnout, leave will certainly win. If there is a higher turnout, then remain is more likely!
One thing you can be sure of, is everyone who wants to leave will turn up! So if there is a low turnout, leave will certainly win. If there is a higher turnout, then remain is more likely!
All the forum votes I've seen (mostly car and IT, finance related stuff) show 'out' with a big lead, 60-70% vs 20-30%, (the remainder undecided)
Also interesting growing support for leaving the EU in many other European countries too, in Italy the most popular party based on local election results wants out.
#1384
However, if we stop all non-EU migrants but allow all EU migrants in (because we have to), we will lose out on being able to bring in highly educated and skilled people that we need from the rest of the globe.
Here's a better idea - just bring in the skilled and educated people we need from both the EU and outside the EU, but let us decide who and how many. Oh hang on, that would make us like most sovereign nations across the globe. We couldn't have that now, could we?
#1385
You are right. In theory, we have full control over non-EU migrants. But unfortunately, the government seems not to want to exercise that control.
However, if we stop all non-EU migrants but allow all EU migrants in (because we have to), we will lose out on being able to bring in highly educated and skilled people that we need from the rest of the globe.
Here's a better idea - just bring in the skilled and educated people we need from both the EU and outside the EU, but let us decide who and how many. Oh hang on, that would make us like most sovereign nations across the globe. We couldn't have that now, could we?
However, if we stop all non-EU migrants but allow all EU migrants in (because we have to), we will lose out on being able to bring in highly educated and skilled people that we need from the rest of the globe.
Here's a better idea - just bring in the skilled and educated people we need from both the EU and outside the EU, but let us decide who and how many. Oh hang on, that would make us like most sovereign nations across the globe. We couldn't have that now, could we?
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#1389
My ex-wife sits on her scrawny **** all day and hasnt worked for about 9 years because benefits and hand outs are easier and higher than working.
Last edited by SwissTony; 08 June 2016 at 03:00 PM.
#1390
Yet we have the lowest unemployment rate since records began. I'm not saying there aren't people who we could get back to work, but it's the percentage unemployed that is important, not absolute numbers.
#1391
Agreed wholeheartedly. I knew there had to be common ground out there somewhere You'd have to be a pretty serious lefty to argue that one.
Last edited by neil-h; 08 June 2016 at 03:19 PM.
#1393
Thing is what we've actually done here is reached the crux of the issue. The fact we have a welfare system which actually makes it better for those at the bottom of the scale to live off the state rather than actually working.
Everything else really is just smoke and mirrors distracting from the actual issues.
Everything else really is just smoke and mirrors distracting from the actual issues.
#1394
Thing is what we've actually done here is reached the crux of the issue. The fact we have a welfare system which actually makes it better for those at the bottom of the scale to live off the state rather than actually working.
Everything else really is just smoke and mirrors distracting from the actual issues.
Everything else really is just smoke and mirrors distracting from the actual issues.
Which won't be solved by a Brexit, don't forget that.
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#1397
Thing is what we've actually done here is reached the crux of the issue. The fact we have a welfare system which actually makes it better for those at the bottom of the scale to live off the state rather than actually working.
Everything else really is just smoke and mirrors distracting from the actual issues.
Everything else really is just smoke and mirrors distracting from the actual issues.
we have a problem in this country of "under employment" - i.e. people who have part time jobs or zero hour contract jobs (so don't showup in the figures) that want more work not less
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Yes, a change in the benefits system would be most welcome.
I am still voting out.
Reading lots of articles across many outlets, last nights debate has the a brought a huge swathe of comments for leave the EU.
I am still voting out.
Reading lots of articles across many outlets, last nights debate has the a brought a huge swathe of comments for leave the EU.
#1399
Indeed, which is a worry, as it means we may well leave the EU purely on immigration, which isn't really such a big issue compared to the economics. Leave have yet to make an economic case, but they haven't really had to.
That was Salmond's downfall, when he finally had to present how Scotland would survive it just didn't stack up. Unless Remain can convince the UK that immigration is a sideshow, they will lose.
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There lay the problem for the remain camp, the majority of the public don't think immigration is a sideshow, but a major concern which has been ignored mainly and you could say tried to have it swept under the carpet by Cameron.
#1401
Yes, instead of ignoring it, he should have addressed it. His, and our, loss!
#1402
Indeed, which is a worry, as it means we may well leave the EU purely on immigration, which isn't really such a big issue compared to the economics. Leave have yet to make an economic case, but they haven't really had to.
That was Salmond's downfall, when he finally had to present how Scotland would survive it just didn't stack up. Unless Remain can convince the UK that immigration is a sideshow, they will lose.
That was Salmond's downfall, when he finally had to present how Scotland would survive it just didn't stack up. Unless Remain can convince the UK that immigration is a sideshow, they will lose.
Immigration IS a huge issue for the UK, I doubt anyone will argue against that!
But the EU is about so much more than immigration and leaving the EU isn't a quick fix for the UK's immigration problems! In reality, post Brexit we're most likely going to have to still accept EU migration as part of an EEA/EFTA deal and nothing will change!
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Agreed!
Immigration IS a huge issue for the UK, I doubt anyone will argue against that!
But the EU is about so much more than immigration and leaving the EU isn't a quick fix for the UK's immigration problems! In reality, post Brexit we're most likely going to have to still accept EU migration as part of an EEA/EFTA deal and nothing will change!
Immigration IS a huge issue for the UK, I doubt anyone will argue against that!
But the EU is about so much more than immigration and leaving the EU isn't a quick fix for the UK's immigration problems! In reality, post Brexit we're most likely going to have to still accept EU migration as part of an EEA/EFTA deal and nothing will change!
1. Cameron won't be PM for very long after the 23rd(he may fall on his own sword)
2 If article 50 initiated straight away, then a period of negotiating will take place. Given the level of concern about migration I cant see the UK government signing up to free movement.
3. We cant predict how much the EU will take its bat and ball home. I dont think the EU will have much clout as Germany and France's economy has a large market on the UK so will overide the EU conditions.
4. Assuming UK leaves
Last edited by andy97; 08 June 2016 at 05:49 PM.
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We have a backwards welfare system: Those who work all their lives are penalised through it and get stung on pensions and healthcare in older age where it seems acceptable to dump someone in a decrepid care home full of nutters that belong elsewhere (but can't because all the institutions have been closed) and jaded nurses that that don't give a stuff, meanwhile we give benefits to those who give little back to society on a indefinite basis.
Spain is tougher - with el paro , what you get as benefit is based on what you've put in. You Mustvsearch for work and if you refuse a job offer. Tough *******, no benefits. It's tough, especially with a shortage of jobs, but it is fair and it does worm out the leaches.
To quote Jeramy Kyle "Do you work?". (Guest says Yes) "Round of applause ladies and gentleman this person has a job!" The sarcasm is probably lost on those not working and watching that program during a weekday (I happened to watch one Saturday on a day off - just in case anyone wondered ).
Brexit makes no change to this, of course.
Last edited by ALi-B; 08 June 2016 at 06:24 PM.
#1405
Thanks for all the support on my comment, however it is going off topic slightly.
So, just seen this poll, 111000 responses.... Will the result be more clear cut than "official" polls suggest?
http://www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/
So, just seen this poll, 111000 responses.... Will the result be more clear cut than "official" polls suggest?
http://www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/
Last edited by warrenm2; 08 June 2016 at 06:53 PM.
#1406
Well thank goodness we won't have to beef up our infrastructure and can depend solely on ourselves to fund our pensions / hospital places
Well as soon as we can get everyone here to get their finger out
Well as soon as we can get everyone here to get their finger out
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Thanks for all the support on my comment, however it is going off topic slightly.
So, just seen this poll, 111000 responses.... Will the result be more clear cut than "official" polls suggest?
http://www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/
So, just seen this poll, 111000 responses.... Will the result be more clear cut than "official" polls suggest?
http://www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/
Now at 112k 82% wanting leave The EU. This is up from 70% last week. Mirroring virtually all polls I have seen online
This is climbing by 10s of votes per minute
Last edited by andy97; 08 June 2016 at 07:56 PM.
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Latest ICM poll showing Leave has extended it's lead!
And now, the latest figures from ICM's online polls shows 48 per cent for Leave, up one percent from last week, and 43 per cent for Remain.