Yeah can see it now, a surprise 'remain' win by a tiny margin thanks to a suspected flurry of voters whole saw Farage on TV and got upset.

Bit like in Austria, looked like the Freedom party would win based on exit polls, then oh postal votes get counted and those lose by a fraction...

 

Mostly students who were too lazy to register until the last minute and older people who maybe didn't know they had to!

One thing you can be sure of, is everyone who wants to leave will turn up! So if there is a low turnout, leave will certainly win. If there is a higher turnout, then remain is more likely!

 

Not so sure, look at the average of the polls being carried out, these are based on people who may or may not vote, but leave looks to be slightly ahead currently.

All the forum votes I've seen (mostly car and IT, finance related stuff) show 'out' with a big lead, 60-70% vs 20-30%, (the remainder undecided)

Also interesting growing support for leaving the EU in many other European countries too, in Italy the most popular party based on local election results wants out.

 

You are right. In theory, we have full control over non-EU migrants. But unfortunately, the government seems not to want to exercise that control.

However, if we stop all non-EU migrants but allow all EU migrants in (because we have to), we will lose out on being able to bring in highly educated and skilled people that we need from the rest of the globe.

Here's a better idea - just bring in the skilled and educated people we need from both the EU and outside the EU, but let us decide who and how many. Oh hang on, that would make us like most sovereign nations across the globe. We couldn't have that now, could we?

 

Nice idea, but we don't really need the skilled and educated people, we can pretty much fulfill those needs with the domestic population. We need immigrants to do the unskilled jobs that need no education to fill all the jobs that Brits don't want to do any more!

 

No, we need a change in the benefits system so that working becomes suddenly more attractive to the 1.7million unemployed....

 

We can certainly agree on that!

 

At last!

 

here here

My ex-wife sits on her scrawny **** all day and hasnt worked for about 9 years because benefits and hand outs are easier and higher than working.

 

Yet we have the lowest unemployment rate since records began. I'm not saying there aren't people who we could get back to work, but it's the percentage unemployed that is important, not absolute numbers.

 

Agreed wholeheartedly. I knew there had to be common ground out there somewhere You'd have to be a pretty serious lefty to argue that one.

 

And thank you for admitting that I am right

 

Thing is what we've actually done here is reached the crux of the issue. The fact we have a welfare system which actually makes it better for those at the bottom of the scale to live off the state rather than actually working.

Everything else really is just smoke and mirrors distracting from the actual issues.

 

Which won't be solved by a Brexit, don't forget that.

 

Exactly!

Its all very well complaining about the problems with the EU, when we have much bigger problems to deal with back home!

 

 

how many is that then, that really just want to claim benefits - all 1.7 million

we have a problem in this country of "under employment" - i.e. people who have part time jobs or zero hour contract jobs (so don't showup in the figures) that want more work not less

 

Yes, a change in the benefits system would be most welcome.

I am still voting out.

Reading lots of articles across many outlets, last nights debate has the a brought a huge swathe of comments for leave the EU.

 

Indeed, which is a worry, as it means we may well leave the EU purely on immigration, which isn't really such a big issue compared to the economics. Leave have yet to make an economic case, but they haven't really had to.


That was Salmond's downfall, when he finally had to present how Scotland would survive it just didn't stack up. Unless Remain can convince the UK that immigration is a sideshow, they will lose.

 

There lay the problem for the remain camp, the majority of the public don't think immigration is a sideshow, but a major concern which has been ignored mainly and you could say tried to have it swept under the carpet by Cameron.

 

Yes, instead of ignoring it, he should have addressed it. His, and our, loss!

 

Agreed!

Immigration IS a huge issue for the UK, I doubt anyone will argue against that!

But the EU is about so much more than immigration and leaving the EU isn't a quick fix for the UK's immigration problems! In reality, post Brexit we're most likely going to have to still accept EU migration as part of an EEA/EFTA deal and nothing will change!

 

Let's assume the UK votes to Leave the EU

1. Cameron won't be PM for very long after the 23rd(he may fall on his own sword)

2 If article 50 initiated straight away, then a period of negotiating will take place. Given the level of concern about migration I cant see the UK government signing up to free movement.

3. We cant predict how much the EU will take its bat and ball home. I dont think the EU will have much clout as Germany and France's economy has a large market on the UK so will overide the EU conditions.

4. Assuming UK leaves

 

We have a backwards welfare system: Those who work all their lives are penalised through it and get stung on pensions and healthcare in older age where it seems acceptable to dump someone in a decrepid care home full of nutters that belong elsewhere (but can't because all the institutions have been closed) and jaded nurses that that don't give a stuff, meanwhile we give benefits to those who give little back to society on a indefinite basis.

Spain is tougher - with el paro , what you get as benefit is based on what you've put in. You Mustvsearch for work and if you refuse a job offer. Tough *******, no benefits. It's tough, especially with a shortage of jobs, but it is fair and it does worm out the leaches.

To quote Jeramy Kyle "Do you work?". (Guest says Yes) "Round of applause ladies and gentleman this person has a job!" The sarcasm is probably lost on those not working and watching that program during a weekday (I happened to watch one Saturday on a day off - just in case anyone wondered ).

Brexit makes no change to this, of course.

 

Thanks for all the support on my comment, however it is going off topic slightly.

So, just seen this poll, 111000 responses.... Will the result be more clear cut than "official" polls suggest?

http://www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/

 

Well thank goodness we won't have to beef up our infrastructure and can depend solely on ourselves to fund our pensions / hospital places
Well as soon as we can get everyone here to get their finger out

 

Now at 112k 82% wanting leave The EU. This is up from 70% last week. Mirroring virtually all polls I have seen online

This is climbing by 10s of votes per minute

 

Great news

 

i wonder if queen wrote this in advance the words as so perfect

 

Latest ICM poll showing Leave has extended it's lead!

http://www.cityam.com/242674/the-lat...=yahoo&ref=yfp