The problem with open online polls, is you can just delete the cookies and keep re-voting! All it takes is someone to post a link on a forum like Scoobynet and then all the leavers dive on it!

Polls are only as good as the diversity of people questioned and how willing the people are to give a real answer! Poll in the city centre on a weekday afternoon and you'll get leave ahead. Poll the same city centre on a Saturday afternoon and the results will probably be more representative!

If you look at some of the reputable poll trackers, then you see its much closer to 50/50!

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/
http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-brexit-watch/

This one is also interesting to see the demographic of leavers vs remainers

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graph...-eu-referendum

Going off that site, it would appear that the majority of Scoobynet members appear to be old, poor men from England that vote UKIP or Conservative

 

I am in 0.1% of one of those groups.

Have you read that. Lord Hayward, the famed politician pollster who predicted John Majors surprising win, and the majority win for The conservatives in the last election. He has stated Leave will most likely win as most of middle England Labour supporters are preparing to vote out. London is not as remain biased as reported.

 

Think we will be leaving.......

 

An 'interesting' Q (well, for England football 'fans', at least )...

If England were to win the Euros (no sniggering at the back), would you be more euphoric over that, than if the EU Referendum goes the way you wish?!

 

Just watched Osbornes effort with Neil....

It'll be a landslide after that performance!

 

And its not just online polls....

https://www.brandwatch.com/2016/06/r...eu-referendum/

 

What a groveling little turd our Chancellor is. I can't believe a word he says. The more the remain try slur the leave campaign the more it makes me publicise my dislike of the remain. I can't be alone the way I feel

 

Let's stop second guessing on what might happen if we leave the Eu or stay . But let's have a look at what this amazing position in the EU you are talking about has already done for our economy ?? People need stop looking in the future for the answer but in the past. Here are a few things the EU did to our economy; you can decide if they were good or bad but I know where my vote is going! Please share.

In 2007 the Peugeot factory in Ryton, Coventry closed down (2,300 job losses) and moved to Slovakia with the help of £78m EU funding.

Britain's remaining ferry service to Scandinavia (DFDS Harwich to Esbjerg) ended in 2014 after 140 years service because of an EU Directive.

'3000 police cars foreign made'. Police say they are powerless to offer contracts to British car factories because of EU procurement rules.

Before the UK entered the EEC/EU, unemployment stood at 2.6%. It is now 5.6% (1.85 million - May, 2015).

Norway, Iceland and Switzerland are thriving because they are not encumbered by Euro bailout costs and extortionate EU membership fees.

There were 25 EU Free Trade Agreements in force in 2012 while the Swiss (non-EU) had independently negotiated 26.

The EU's Landfill Directive has been responsible for some councils ending their weekly bin collections.

EU specified light bulbs cost 500% more than filament bulbs. Some people complain that the EU specified light bulbs produce a lesser quality of light and cfl's contain mercury, a poisonous neurotoxin and phosphors. Health issues affecting those that suffer from light sensitivity.

It's been suggested that VAT on domestic fuels should be cut from 5% to zero. But 5% is the minimum allowed under EU law.

Less than 10% of Britain's GDP represents trade with the EU yet Brussels regulations afflict 100% of the UK economy.

Britain will pay £100 million a year more to the European budget over the next five years. (Telegraph: 03/12/2014)

Article 42 3. gives the EU the power to begin the process of standardising the military forces of the member states via the EDA.

Britain receives just 49p of every £1 paid to the European Union. (Sunday Express & Business for Britain, 12/07/2015)

TTIP will undermine data privacy by making it easier for companies to gain access to individuals’ personal details for commercial purposes.

EU Commission will block public access to all documents related to TTIP negotiations for 30 years. (EU/US negotiator Ignacio Garcia Bercero)

TTIP will downgrade food safety rules (including restrictions on GMOs), regulations on the use of toxic chemicals and data protection laws.

TTIP will allow corporations to sue the UK under the Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) clause.

European crime gangs are operating here with impunity due to EU open borders. Gov't estimates there are 13k trafficking victims in the UK.

The UK may withdraw from the obligations of any (EU) treaty under Articles 56,65,66,67 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.

The EU isn't in the top five issues people are most concerned about. But those five issues are affected by the EU - like immigration.

HoC library's 13% UK laws made in Brussels figure doesn't include EU reg's which are transposed into law without passing through parliament.

The House of Commons library say 13.3% of UK laws now come from Brussels. European Commissioner Viviane Reding says it's 70%.

Our future does not depend on our membership of the European Union, it rests on our abilities to progress in the world outside of it.

Net EU contributions together with the adverse impact on business here of EU regulations will cost the UK more than £20billion in 2015.

There's no economic benefit in the UK remaining in the EU. EU regulations cost our businesses alone over £9.4bn, according to the BIS.

There was NO 'free movement' for Brits to the EU (EEC) before we joined in '73. Yet we lived, studied, worked, holidayed and retired there.

The EU is NOT "Europe". It's 56% of Europe's countries, 68% of the continent's population and just 43% of its land mass.

UK membership of EU: "Perhaps surprisingly, it's virtually impossible to find hard proof of any net benefit" — Carsten Volkery, Der Spiegel

UK has LOWER GDP ppp per head than:

Australia
Canada
HK
Iceland
Norway
Singapore
Switzerland
Taiwan
USA

Countries THRIVE outside the EU!

Britain’s future outside is bright, while the ‪#‎EU‬ is anti-democratic, anti-growth, and holding Britain back | via E21 http://t.co/fuFrsSuDHs

EU commits €267.6m for Denmark, €129.6m Estonia, €284.6m Germany, €172.9m for Sweden to boost fisheries & aquaculture. Nothing for the UK.

Top importers into the EU, by proportion of total EU imports:

18% China
12% USA
11% Russia

None have Free Trade Agreements with the EU!

'Britain had regular manufacturing & service trade surpluses with the rest of W Europe before joining the EEC (EU) in 1973' — Lewis Abbott

Well over a third of EU citizens reaching the UK in the year to March 2015 (39%) had no job arranged prior to their arrival here. ONS

In the past four quarters the EU exported £84.935bn more goods to the UK than we did to it. The EU cannot afford to stop trading with us!

The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th biggest economies can survive and prosper outside the EU. So can the 5th: the UK.

Switzerland, Canada, South Africa, Chile, Mexico and South Korea have free trade agreements with the EU. So would the UK when we leave it.

UK Net Contributions to the EU budget:

£11.3bn 2015 (OBR estimate)
£11.0bn 2014
£ 8.6bn 2013
£ 8.5bn 2012
£ 8.1bn 2011
£ 7.4bn 2010

Elected MEPs cannot initiate legislation, propose legislation or even repeal legislation. All that is done by the unelected EU Commission.

 

That's a hell of an assumption. Germany's largest export market is not the UK, it's the US and by some margin. Even France is Germany's second largest market, UK is third largest, but in isolation, is small compared to the rest of the EU combined. But you might argue that we buy more from Germany than Germany buys from us. This is double edged, since Germany is less reliant on UK imports, tariffs will make it more costly for the UK to export to Germany and therefore will be less of an impact should Germany go else where so I would not underestimate their clout. A possible decline in exports is bad for the UK economically and not good if we import more than we export. Sure the UK is currently the 5th largest economy in the world, but it didn't get there on its own. UK on it's own in terms of trade is small when compared the the whole of the EU trading bloc. Any trade deal will always be in favour of of the larger trade partner, for example, the recent trade deal between Switzerland and China swings heavily in China's favour.

Some of the polls do suggest a Brexit, but if the Scottish referendum is anything to go by, I think the silent majority could mean the UK will stay.

 

I agree, but what I am seeing more of, is in the comments section of articles. There is so much more positive praise for leave comments than remain comments.

 

what is so fascinating about this debate, is that you rightly bring up the parlous state of elderly care in this country

Back in the day, elderly care was in the control of elected officials in local government - elected officials no less

we have no control now, as this responsibility has been given to basket case companies like Southern Cross (google "southern cross scandal")

and it is they who employ low cost "jaded nurses that that don't give a stuff"

and this policy was actively and enthusiastically, for simple dogmatic reason, promoted by the Brexiters

same with Energy, Rail, Ports and most of our infrastructure all owned and run by other countries state institutions (look up what EDF stand for!!)

so we have no or little control over these

and this policy was actively and enthusiastically, for simple dogmatic reason, promoted by the Brexiters

yet they talk about taking back control, presumably this simply means taking back even greater control to sell off everything

(last year saw the largest sell off of public assets on record)

 

Who are these Brexiters?

From what I have gathered from various sources, some of the incumbent politicians whose roles oversee what you list (health, transport, business etc.) are mostly IN campaigners. And not to forget the shadow cabinet members as well as those that were in charge during previous governments.

What I'm saying is those who have means to change policy that I feel are failing us are also ones that would prefer us to stay in the EU, so if I have no faith in these individuals in their political roles, I therefore cannot rely on their reasoning for staying in the EU.

 

they pretty much all come from the right wing section of the tory party - generally against any investment in our infrastructure

I assume the Tories that are "remain", still have an ounce of common sense and are not prepared to create such an upheaval for simple "dogma"

in my view the above analysis is fundamentally wrong

the whole façade is a internal conservative party battle (that has been festering for 35 years) that they got the whole county involved in

 

Yep. And you've Bollingdon old boys Boris and Dave leading each side. Heads they win, tails we lose. Genius.

 

it is a tragic comedy - a farce worthy of Shakespeare

I think whatever the vote, history will damn the current Tory leadership

 

Ok. In your post in which I quoted however you listed health, transport (rail/ports), energy, infrastructure.

The current MPs that oversee that are


Hunt (health)
McLoughlin (transport)
Rudd (energy)

The respective shadow MPs are:

Alexander
Greenwood
Nandy

Former incumbents (in respective order):

Health:
Hewitt
Johnson
Burnham
Lansley

Transport:

Darling
Alexander
Hammond
Greening

Energy:

Davey
Milliband (Ed)


All these listed are pro-EU

The few not listed (like Huhne and Adonis etc.) were omitted bacuse I could no find any recent report on their stance.

The point being those listed are those that put these policies in place, or continued them, which is contradictory to your statement saying it is supported by the nameless group of right wing Brexiters. Whilst the above listed past and incumbent MPs (not shadow) have either implemented, continued or supported policies that have been detrimental to their respective sector (health, energy, transport) and support being in the EU...who are the Brexit MPs that have been involved in this?

 

not sure I did

 

To be honest I've come to the conclusion that Remain campaign should've been taken out of the hands of the government months ago. Cameron and co really have done a shocking job of getting any sort of sensible argument across.

 

I am just watching Blair and Major in Northern Ireland. I nearly fell asleep when Major was talking, but then when Major handed over to Blair, Blair had to keep Clapping to drum up the audience to wake up and a few then clapped.

Blair virtually started with “when I was a lad” phrase. The diatribe and waffle about the border is hillarious. My goodness he is still rambling, the audience has gone to sleep again.

Questions. Now. Major I came from Brixton the EU isn't for the elite. Then goes into when I was a lad getting ice cream-hahaha

Blair- my dad is better. than your dad but Let's not go there. When i Worked as Barman in Paris, haha haha

Lost the will to continue watching

 

 

You lost the will to live, probably because between them the completely dismantled most of the leave arguments, and you can't handle listening to hard evidence that doesn't support your position.


If it was Farage endlessly fear mongering about immigration, you'd lap it up!


PS I'd urge anyone who has an open mind to watch the Major / Blair Q&A session

 

You agreed with my reply to Warrens's post, about my opinion on Elderly healthcare saying it was "parlous" and commented further saying it was controlled by elected official before transfer to private enterprises.

You went further to say:

Of which I have since shown the list of current and past ministers in charge of those sectors that also support and promote it by either implementing detrimental policies or doing nothing about them whilst in office, of which are mostly pro-EU.


You finally state that "That last year was the year with the largest sell-off of public assets on record". I'll ask another question on this; What referendum viewpoint do the MPs that supported the sell-offs have?

Brexit? In? Or split?

The reason why I have asked is you claim these acts are promoted by Brexit right wingers. I feel that this is not exclusive to Brexit campaigners.

 

Good man, a chairman actually having the ***** to not only state his position but also allow all of his employees to decide for themselves, unlike for example the bosses of uber who have unsubtly threatened all their drivers if they decide vote to leave.

http://news.sky.com/story/1697273/bo...f-brexit-risks

 

Yep


Boris Johnson, the man who couldn't decide until the last minute which side he was going to campaign for. Then days into the campaign he's comparing the EU to **** Germany! Does that mean he couldn't quite decide whether he was a fan of Hitler or not?


Why can't people see that man for what he is?

 

Do Uber drivers have a different voting process to the rest of the population then? Or are they having to photocopy their ballot slips, and have them inspected by their bosses?


Honestly what an utter load of rubbish

 

Doing the rounds on Facebook...Its shameful that I had to verify its legitimacy before I could believe it wasn't a hoax. As journalist would happlily print stuff like this in the news without proper verification.

 

Its very difficult to get a sensible argument across in the face of populist politics!


With Brexit, you can make sensible arguments until you're blue in the face, but all people want to hear is "take back control of immigration", the rest is just blah, blah, blah!

 

Of course they dont, but you failed to grasp the difference between outlining the risks and unsubtle thinly veiled " your jobs are at risk if you do" messages.

Interesting article here about the Business council further down the page

https://www.politicshome.com/news/eu...ut-eu-out-vote

Maybe that is a load of rubbish as well

 

Would the leave candidates here be happier with increased non eu immigration than eu migration ??

 

Why do you post lies? Leave really do just make **** up!