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14 June 2016 | 08:38 PM
#1681
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Push him in, there's a good chap
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14 June 2016 | 09:20 PM
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You've put that to bed then. Five of your clever mates want to leave, therefore no leavers can be pig ignorant numbskulls with tattoos, offensive kids, offensive dogs and an inability to speak the Queen's English without littering it with profanity and poor grammar. I'll give up on that one then.
14 June 2016 | 10:15 PM
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14 June 2016 | 10:18 PM
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14 June 2016 | 10:41 PM
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A Guardian reporter goes to a Labour heartland, and meets reality. Its quite interesting
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ferendum-video
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ferendum-video
14 June 2016 | 10:58 PM
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Speaking of humble pie...
When are you going to indulge?
Or have you already erased the memory of telling us all before the last election that there would never be a referendum?
Or indeed predicting that UKIP would win between 50-100 seats
Your track record thus far is pretty poor
15 June 2016 | 12:17 AM
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Ahhh, that's the crux; Both past and present, UK politicians (MP and MEP) slept walked through this demise and yet today are banging Pro-EU drums. And you wonder why sizeable chunks of the public (from all walks of life)have no care for what these politicians say when they try to justify why we should remain?
These politicians are the people that failed us. They are still not held to account and they support a wider doctrine that doesn't promise to either stop further dimise or to help regenerate it.
It's very easy to dismiss a short list of companies from the comfort of a (office?) computer, however what isn't so well documented is the loss of the supportive industries that supplied and maintained those lost industries, this isn't just some factories closing, it's the trickle down loss of everything that supports those factories, be it from component supply right through to cleaning staff.
You see that list of car plants and heavy industry that has gone? What I hear from folk around here all beats around the same issues; My area made castings, forgings, sheet steel coatings, sheet steel pressing, plastic mouldings and other large scale component production supplier to these factories. They've gone. It's a permanent loss (it's now all demolished for housing or retail), and what's poignant is because it's gone this threat of further demise from a shrinkage in economy doesn't bother people round here; they feel that they have little left to lose. I've heard it time and time again, no one round here has any care for the EU, because quite simply nobody official (or otherwise) has been able to demonstrate anything positive it has done for people in this area. I could compare it to paying a monthly subscription to a service, say, like "scoobynet plus" (
) that you get no benefit from...why would someone want to continue if they see no personal benefit from it?
These politicians are the people that failed us. They are still not held to account and they support a wider doctrine that doesn't promise to either stop further dimise or to help regenerate it.
It's very easy to dismiss a short list of companies from the comfort of a (office?) computer, however what isn't so well documented is the loss of the supportive industries that supplied and maintained those lost industries, this isn't just some factories closing, it's the trickle down loss of everything that supports those factories, be it from component supply right through to cleaning staff.
You see that list of car plants and heavy industry that has gone? What I hear from folk around here all beats around the same issues; My area made castings, forgings, sheet steel coatings, sheet steel pressing, plastic mouldings and other large scale component production supplier to these factories. They've gone. It's a permanent loss (it's now all demolished for housing or retail), and what's poignant is because it's gone this threat of further demise from a shrinkage in economy doesn't bother people round here; they feel that they have little left to lose. I've heard it time and time again, no one round here has any care for the EU, because quite simply nobody official (or otherwise) has been able to demonstrate anything positive it has done for people in this area. I could compare it to paying a monthly subscription to a service, say, like "scoobynet plus" (
) that you get no benefit from...why would someone want to continue if they see no personal benefit from it?Caterpillar are still closing places Edinburgh being the latest not long ago.Perkins engines in Shrewsbury is now to go this year,part of their plant already gone,and the other part are shifting to Belgium,July I think.
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15 June 2016 | 12:55 AM
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15 June 2016 | 01:17 AM
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Spot on and add xenophobic cretins that believe the Daily Mail. dl
Martin, I expect the stress of doing his SATS tests is showing. Or perhaps just a mind uncluttered by knowledge. It's so pathetic having to resort to insulting a fellow SN member.
Spot on and add xenophobic cretins that believe the Daily Mail. dl
Martin, I expect the stress of doing his SATS tests is showing. Or perhaps just a mind uncluttered by knowledge. It's so pathetic having to resort to insulting a fellow SN member.
15 June 2016 | 01:57 AM
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15 June 2016 | 08:21 AM
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Vote Leave, accelerating
After reading lots of different sources, the comments section has mainly positive position for Leave, comments against leave which are fewer get negative praise.
I now believe the momentum is picking up pace for a leave result.
The last ditch threats from Cameron/Osbourne are literally being ignored. The prospective intervention by Juncker this week may well be the final nail where Cameron pleads to have immigration controls, thrown back in his face.
I now believe the momentum is picking up pace for a leave result.
The last ditch threats from Cameron/Osbourne are literally being ignored. The prospective intervention by Juncker this week may well be the final nail where Cameron pleads to have immigration controls, thrown back in his face.
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15 June 2016 | 08:28 AM
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15 June 2016 | 09:27 AM
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Why don't people get that the UK is part of the EU? We have been in there almost from the beginning and we have one of the loudest voices and the most power! We made the EU what it is! US! There is no THEM! WE ARE THE EU! Everything that the EU is, is what WE made it!
15 June 2016 | 09:46 AM
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Too late now, different path has opened up now
15 June 2016 | 09:46 AM
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When BMWwhere? Said "we", I assume he meant politicians. Many of which implement policies based on lobbying. Of which is a multi-billion euro/pound industry in creating legislation to suit the agenda of the lobby group.
The problem here is what is implemented is not always in the public's interest, or small business, industry or whatever. "We" will never be fairly represented until the methods used to implement UK and EU policies are given more public consultation before being implemented.
Take a look at that financing of EU lobbying and look at the money involved then ask is this method to sway political policy making in the best interest of the public it is alleged to represent?
The problem here is what is implemented is not always in the public's interest, or small business, industry or whatever. "We" will never be fairly represented until the methods used to implement UK and EU policies are given more public consultation before being implemented.
Take a look at that financing of EU lobbying and look at the money involved then ask is this method to sway political policy making in the best interest of the public it is alleged to represent?
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15 June 2016 | 09:49 AM
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That cognitive dissonance thing again....
15 June 2016 | 10:03 AM
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15 June 2016 | 10:09 AM
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When BMWwhere? Said "we", I assume he meant politicians. Many of which implement policies based on lobbying. Of which is a multi-billion euro/pound industry in creating legislation to suit the agenda of the lobby group.
The problem here is what is implemented is not always in the public's interest, or small business, industry or whatever. "We" will never be fairly represented until the methods used to implement UK and EU policies are given more public consultation before being implemented.
Take a look at that financing of EU lobbying and look at the money involved then ask is this method to sway political policy making in the best interest of the public it is alleged to represent?
The problem here is what is implemented is not always in the public's interest, or small business, industry or whatever. "We" will never be fairly represented until the methods used to implement UK and EU policies are given more public consultation before being implemented.
Take a look at that financing of EU lobbying and look at the money involved then ask is this method to sway political policy making in the best interest of the public it is alleged to represent?
This doesn't change the fact that WE, or any other EU member state, could have blocked any one of the treaties that has changed the shape of the EU, but we didn't because WE wanted it because it was better for the UK!
15 June 2016 | 11:04 AM
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Google has produced a search map of the UK, with Vote leave searches being the bigger in each borough except for all but a handful--99% leave
edit link http://www.express.co.uk/
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edit link http://www.express.co.uk/
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15 June 2016 | 11:42 AM
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