+1.

I was going to make a post on Boris, in relation to his 'Indepedence Day' Uwaach. I'm pleased you did that because I don't think I could have; it makes me so embarrassed to even bring it to the fore, to express. That guy isn't thinking of the nation's welfare at all, he's just full of some seriously embarrassing sh7t! Not fit to be anything, let alone a prime minister to this country. You're right that the dullards will fall for such bullsh7t hyperbole and a half. Unfortunately, there're more that type around than the wise ones.

Note: the word Uwaach is a Sanskrit word for a speech. Sounds a bit like 'Ouch!' but in fact it's used heavily in Hindu scriptures to denote some mighty conversational dialogues between the Supreme and the subject. I used it as a ridicule to Boris.

 

Yes, It's circulating on FB. Geezer posted similar untabled a few pages back.

The best and most straight I've heard is John Major on this issue. The guy said it as it is; concise and crystal clear. Unlike the BB (the Boris Bullsh7t), there were no beguiling cheap shots involved but there was ample reproach for the misguiding ones. If the 'out' wins, the aftermath will be spectacularly drastic in the long run. Not that the rest of the world would give A damn. The Great Britons of the Great Britain will have to pick up the pieces by themselves.

 

Full of gloom aren't you?

Not to mention supposition presented as fact, again and again.

It's been so over done it frightens no-one now

 

i suppose a rivers of blood speech would have been ott

 

Maybe not, but maybe it will. And what's CERTAIN is that we would no longer be paying someone to take our jobs abroad as we now are.

But WE won't be funding the moves.

No jobs here? You know that for a fact? Or more supposition presented as fact? And plenty of businesses have said it will make zero difference to them, stay or leave. They will stay in the UK.

Nope, it's WAY MORE than that presented by the remainers.

Easy to say, but difficult to do when it's affected you and yours!

One man with no axe to grind, NOT from the UK, so unbiased either way. He simply told me what was happening to him personally. And his story is repeated over and over again.

Hordes of workers? Yep, go to any town centre now and see if you can hear English being spoken? There's hordes alright. And if you or anyone believes that all companies abide by minimum wage legislation, you are indeed naive.

But the problem isn't hose, if they even exist in any number, apart from the ones searched out by the media. It's our youth. The immigrant unskilled workers take the jobs our youth would start with. And I urge you NOT to believe the hype that UK youth is feckless, lazy and would prefer benefits to work, it's just not true.

You have a point there, but paying other countries to take jobs away is STUPIDITY, and needs to stop.

 

You think Scunthorpe's going to be a nice place to live and that your offspring will get jobs if we leave the EU. Well Scunthorpe won't morph in to a desirable location and your boys will still take the pee. And your wife won't stop nagging you. Most people's problems aren't external.

 

Absolutely right.

 

Can you prove that scunthorpe will be a better place if we remain ?

 

Jeff

We can banter this back and forwards as often as you like but the EU position is irrelevant to companies moving out of the UK. Those that want to stay will stay, and those that want to move will move. being in or out makes no difference to that. Those decisions are not EU driven. WE are not funding the moves.

Sure, there are back street operators paying foreign workers less than minimum wage. But they're also not paying PAYE and NIC. Or any tax for that matter. But you do realise that employers with registered PAYE scheme are monitored for minimum wage - don't you? Those not playing by the rules are so small in comparison as to be not worthy of comment. You say it as if hundreds of thousands of immigrant workers are taking "our" jobs for lower pay and somehow doing "us" out of work. That is so far from the truth as to be laughable.

The EU costs us, per person, buttons. Approximately 37 pence per person per day - or less than a copy of the newspaper that you possibly get your misinformation from.

And will an exited UK continue to provide grants and financial support to the less well funded parts of the UK? You seem to forget that your own hometown, along with many other parts of the UK are eligible for and receive significant EU funding.

Do you even see the irony in your plea for me not to believe the 'hype'? Jeff, I base my opinions on years of experience of dealing with all ages and types of workers. And don't get me started on unions. Nothing but horrendous experiences there. Union leaders who would rather see a business fail (with the loss of all jobs) rather than see the light of change and progress. Pathetic.

We're not "paying other countries to take our jobs away". The decision to move rests solely with those controlling the businesses in question. If a business decides to move, its down to UK plc making it less attractive to stay. And that's not likely to change by simply leaving the EU.

You mentioned being personally affected. In what way has being in the EU affected you? You've got a property in France - how's that going to play out if you're no longer a resident of a member state?

 

I'll be glad when it's Friday so you **** heads stop bickering like kids

 

Good God, no. Then the gloating starts, along with conspiracy theories if it's a close vote

 

No, I'm voting for the status quo. You and Jeff are voting for the unknown. There isn't a silver bullet, Chris. The issues that people talk about will not go away if we leave the EU.

 

Actually 151 people on here are voting for change , not the unknown as you put it. And 44 are voting for more of the same **** but maybe worse, maybe better. Notice I say maybe as realistically once all the posturing and hyperbole is done and dusted, no-one exactly knows what will happen.

 

The concept that the opinions of those on here in any way mirror those of society at large is truly comical.

 

Not to mention the fact that there's no way to change your voting choice on the poll here, as I would be doing (from Leave to Remain) if the website was built to allow it.

 

 

I was addressing what james had mentioned about it being myself and jeff.
I would be worried if this site was a true representative of the entire country , in all matters of things

 

I didn't think you were that daft.

 

They think they're voting for change, actually they're gambling with our collective futures. The thought of Boris and Farage and ex-BNP members in a position of strength makes me shudder. I'm happy with my lot, I feel blessed to live in a nice part of Britain, in a strong community, with good facilities and infrastructure and with inhabitants that I don't just tolerate, but like. Our lifestyle is pleasant, our income sufficient and we're able to pass a little on, our futures secure. I don't want that affected by people so blindingly ignorant that they think the leaders of the Brexit campaign have their interests at heart. They. Do. Not. For them, as Hodgy said earlier, it's largely a power grab.

I repeat: the EU is a million miles away from perfect, but far better it than the Britain First mentality that seems to be sweeping the nation. We're better than that!!

 

------> old school corner

 

But what we would be changing to is unknown

 

Blimey, where's your sense of adventure? Brave new world and all that..

 

I've had my adventures, Alan. And besides, we don't have a gang of loveable hobbits for company, we have orcs and a handful of ring wraiths.

 

You speak of soundbites and then use the worst soundbite (little England) that that lying lowlife Cameron has used throughout this whole campaign.

You really are getting desperate now, aren't you?

Fool.

 

In a sense I am, UC. I think 'out' is political, economic and philosophical suicide.

 

Aldous Huxley?
I might have voted 'Leave' if I'd known that.
I expect something far more tedious. Unpicking the existing fabric linking us with the rest of the E.U. will be an expensive bureaucratic nightmare.

I still don't think we'll have to though.

 

And this highlights my point in this thread perfectly. Anyone who has a different opinion to you or as it seems the majority of the remain campaign is subjected to having insults thrown at them. For what? Just because they dare have a different opinion to yourselves.

 

If the cap fits...

 

If the cap fits in your view would be anyone who votes leave.

Strange how as a leave vote I can respect other people's views and what they want to vote for. It's as though the remain camp feel massively threatened by the leave voters and have to resort to childish behaviour such as hurling names and insults.

 

On the 30th of June the EU is supposedly to announce the talks for Turkey to enter the EU. Now if remain wins, you can then ask Mr. Cameron why he refused to say he would use the veto?

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/31896584/eu-turkey-to-open-new-membership-talks-sources/#page1


Plus nearly half of Cameron business advisers did sign not up to remain advice

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/almost-half-of-david-camerons-business-advisory-group-fails-to-s/