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#2101
Last night that particular soundbite must've been fired-off dozens of times by the Brexiters. Sort of thing their target audience can absorb and regurgitate and feel all powerful and 'patriotic' about. The standing ovation was in response to Boris talking about an "Independence Day"; boy, didn't the gullible, myopic, little Englanders suck that up! They'll be Boris's useful idiots for the remainder of the campaign as the meme infects the minds of the credulous. I picture Boris retiring to his dressing room post debate and winking at himself in the mirror; a half-smile perched upon his lips - "mugs" he mutters.
I was going to make a post on Boris, in relation to his 'Indepedence Day' Uwaach. I'm pleased you did that because I don't think I could have; it makes me so embarrassed to even bring it to the fore, to express. That guy isn't thinking of the nation's welfare at all, he's just full of some seriously embarrassing sh7t! Not fit to be anything, let alone a prime minister to this country. You're right that the dullards will fall for such bullsh7t hyperbole and a half. Unfortunately, there're more that type around than the wise ones.
Note: the word Uwaach is a Sanskrit word for a speech. Sounds a bit like 'Ouch!' but in fact it's used heavily in Hindu scriptures to denote some mighty conversational dialogues between the Supreme and the subject. I used it as a ridicule to Boris.
#2102
Yes, It's circulating on FB. Geezer posted similar untabled a few pages back.
The best and most straight I've heard is John Major on this issue. The guy said it as it is; concise and crystal clear. Unlike the BB (the Boris Bullsh7t), there were no beguiling cheap shots involved but there was ample reproach for the misguiding ones. If the 'out' wins, the aftermath will be spectacularly drastic in the long run. Not that the rest of the world would give A damn. The Great Britons of the Great Britain will have to pick up the pieces by themselves.
The best and most straight I've heard is John Major on this issue. The guy said it as it is; concise and crystal clear. Unlike the BB (the Boris Bullsh7t), there were no beguiling cheap shots involved but there was ample reproach for the misguiding ones. If the 'out' wins, the aftermath will be spectacularly drastic in the long run. Not that the rest of the world would give A damn. The Great Britons of the Great Britain will have to pick up the pieces by themselves.
#2105
Maybe not, but maybe it will. And what's CERTAIN is that we would no longer be paying someone to take our jobs abroad as we now are.
But WE won't be funding the moves.
No jobs here? You know that for a fact? Or more supposition presented as fact? And plenty of businesses have said it will make zero difference to them, stay or leave. They will stay in the UK.
Nope, it's WAY MORE than that presented by the remainers.
Easy to say, but difficult to do when it's affected you and yours!
One man with no axe to grind, NOT from the UK, so unbiased either way. He simply told me what was happening to him personally. And his story is repeated over and over again.
Hordes of workers? Yep, go to any town centre now and see if you can hear English being spoken? There's hordes alright. And if you or anyone believes that all companies abide by minimum wage legislation, you are indeed naive.
But the problem isn't hose, if they even exist in any number, apart from the ones searched out by the media. It's our youth. The immigrant unskilled workers take the jobs our youth would start with. And I urge you NOT to believe the hype that UK youth is feckless, lazy and would prefer benefits to work, it's just not true.
You have a point there, but paying other countries to take jobs away is STUPIDITY, and needs to stop.
If we leave, what will happen is that the jobs will still be relocated abroad due to better (funded) facilities and cheaper (and arguably harder working) labour.
Immigration may well slow down, but then there will be no jobs here anyway as what are now pan European or global businesses will have zero incentives to stay in the UK.
What the leavers fail to tell you is that net migration to the UK is way less than the total figures quoted by the leave campaign.
People need to stop looking at this from an emotional perspective and start looking at it from a factual perspective.
You listed to the opinion of one man on a boat. That's all that is - its not fact, its opinion. "Hoards of low paid workers" Really? you do realise that whoever you employ in the UK is subject to UK minimum wage legislation?
Hordes of workers? Yep, go to any town centre now and see if you can hear English being spoken? There's hordes alright. And if you or anyone believes that all companies abide by minimum wage legislation, you are indeed naive.
Much of the UK workforce issues stem from the fact that the UK suffers from cant be arsed syndrome. No wonder European immigrant workers get so many jobs.
Companies shut up shop and leave the UK because of cost, quality of workforce, facilities, restrictive legislation and in certain cases trade union interference. That's fact based on 26 + years of working in a corporate restructuring environment. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the UK is part of the EU.
#2106
You think Scunthorpe's going to be a nice place to live and that your offspring will get jobs if we leave the EU. Well Scunthorpe won't morph in to a desirable location and your boys will still take the pee. And your wife won't stop nagging you. Most people's problems aren't external.
#2108
You think Scunthorpe's going to be a nice place to live and that your offspring will get jobs if we leave the EU. Well Scunthorpe won't morph in to a desirable location and your boys will still take the pee. And your wife won't stop nagging you. Most people's problems aren't external.
#2109
Maybe not, but maybe it will. And what's CERTAIN is that we would no longer be paying someone to take our jobs abroad as we now are.
But WE won't be funding the moves.
No jobs here? You know that for a fact? Or more supposition presented as fact? And plenty of businesses have said it will make zero difference to them, stay or leave. They will stay in the UK.
Nope, it's WAY MORE than that presented by the remainers.
Easy to say, but difficult to do when it's affected you and yours!
One man with no axe to grind, NOT from the UK, so unbiased either way. He simply told me what was happening to him personally. And his story is repeated over and over again.
Hordes of workers? Yep, go to any town centre now and see if you can hear English being spoken? There's hordes alright. And if you or anyone believes that all companies abide by minimum wage legislation, you are indeed naive.
But the problem isn't hose, if they even exist in any number, apart from the ones searched out by the media. It's our youth. The immigrant unskilled workers take the jobs our youth would start with. And I urge you NOT to believe the hype that UK youth is feckless, lazy and would prefer benefits to work, it's just not true.
You have a point there, but paying other countries to take jobs away is STUPIDITY, and needs to stop.
But WE won't be funding the moves.
No jobs here? You know that for a fact? Or more supposition presented as fact? And plenty of businesses have said it will make zero difference to them, stay or leave. They will stay in the UK.
Nope, it's WAY MORE than that presented by the remainers.
Easy to say, but difficult to do when it's affected you and yours!
One man with no axe to grind, NOT from the UK, so unbiased either way. He simply told me what was happening to him personally. And his story is repeated over and over again.
Hordes of workers? Yep, go to any town centre now and see if you can hear English being spoken? There's hordes alright. And if you or anyone believes that all companies abide by minimum wage legislation, you are indeed naive.
But the problem isn't hose, if they even exist in any number, apart from the ones searched out by the media. It's our youth. The immigrant unskilled workers take the jobs our youth would start with. And I urge you NOT to believe the hype that UK youth is feckless, lazy and would prefer benefits to work, it's just not true.
You have a point there, but paying other countries to take jobs away is STUPIDITY, and needs to stop.
We can banter this back and forwards as often as you like but the EU position is irrelevant to companies moving out of the UK. Those that want to stay will stay, and those that want to move will move. being in or out makes no difference to that. Those decisions are not EU driven. WE are not funding the moves.
Sure, there are back street operators paying foreign workers less than minimum wage. But they're also not paying PAYE and NIC. Or any tax for that matter. But you do realise that employers with registered PAYE scheme are monitored for minimum wage - don't you? Those not playing by the rules are so small in comparison as to be not worthy of comment. You say it as if hundreds of thousands of immigrant workers are taking "our" jobs for lower pay and somehow doing "us" out of work. That is so far from the truth as to be laughable.
The EU costs us, per person, buttons. Approximately 37 pence per person per day - or less than a copy of the newspaper that you possibly get your misinformation from.
And will an exited UK continue to provide grants and financial support to the less well funded parts of the UK? You seem to forget that your own hometown, along with many other parts of the UK are eligible for and receive significant EU funding.
Do you even see the irony in your plea for me not to believe the 'hype'? Jeff, I base my opinions on years of experience of dealing with all ages and types of workers. And don't get me started on unions. Nothing but horrendous experiences there. Union leaders who would rather see a business fail (with the loss of all jobs) rather than see the light of change and progress. Pathetic.
We're not "paying other countries to take our jobs away". The decision to move rests solely with those controlling the businesses in question. If a business decides to move, its down to UK plc making it less attractive to stay. And that's not likely to change by simply leaving the EU.
You mentioned being personally affected. In what way has being in the EU affected you? You've got a property in France - how's that going to play out if you're no longer a resident of a member state?
Last edited by Devildog; 22 June 2016 at 12:46 PM.
#2111
#2112
#2113
Actually 151 people on here are voting for change , not the unknown as you put it. And 44 are voting for more of the same **** but maybe worse, maybe better. Notice I say maybe as realistically once all the posturing and hyperbole is done and dusted, no-one exactly knows what will happen.
#2114
Actually 151 people on here are voting for change , not the unknown as you put it. And 44 are voting for more of the same **** but maybe worse, maybe better. Notice I say maybe as realistically once all the posturing and hyperbole is done and dusted, no-one exactly knows what will happen.
#2115
Not to mention the fact that there's no way to change your voting choice on the poll here, as I would be doing (from Leave to Remain) if the website was built to allow it.
#2116
#2117
I would be worried if this site was a true representative of the entire country , in all matters of things
#2118
#2119
Actually 151 people on here are voting for change , not the unknown as you put it. And 44 are voting for more of the same **** but maybe worse, maybe better. Notice I say maybe as realistically once all the posturing and hyperbole is done and dusted, no-one exactly knows what will happen.
I repeat: the EU is a million miles away from perfect, but far better it than the Britain First mentality that seems to be sweeping the nation. We're better than that!!
#2121
Actually 151 people on here are voting for change , not the unknown as you put it. And 44 are voting for more of the same **** but maybe worse, maybe better. Notice I say maybe as realistically once all the posturing and hyperbole is done and dusted, no-one exactly knows what will happen.
But what we would be changing to is unknown
#2123
#2124
You really are getting desperate now, aren't you?
Fool.
#2125
In a sense I am, UC. I think 'out' is political, economic and philosophical suicide.
#2126
I might have voted 'Leave' if I'd known that.
I expect something far more tedious. Unpicking the existing fabric linking us with the rest of the E.U. will be an expensive bureaucratic nightmare.
I still don't think we'll have to though.
Last edited by c_maguire; 22 June 2016 at 02:37 PM.
#2127
Last night that particular soundbite must've been fired-off dozens of times by the Brexiters. Sort of thing their target audience can absorb and regurgitate and feel all powerful and 'patriotic' about. The standing ovation was in response to Boris talking about an "Independence Day"; boy, didn't the gullible, myopic, little Englanders suck that up! They'll be Boris's useful idiots for the remainder of the campaign as the meme infects the minds of the credulous. I picture Boris retiring to his dressing room post debate and winking at himself in the mirror; a half-smile perched upon his lips - "mugs" he mutters.
#2128
If the cap fits...
#2129
If the cap fits in your view would be anyone who votes leave.
Strange how as a leave vote I can respect other people's views and what they want to vote for. It's as though the remain camp feel massively threatened by the leave voters and have to resort to childish behaviour such as hurling names and insults.
Strange how as a leave vote I can respect other people's views and what they want to vote for. It's as though the remain camp feel massively threatened by the leave voters and have to resort to childish behaviour such as hurling names and insults.
Last edited by An0n0m0us; 22 June 2016 at 02:54 PM.
#2130
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On the 30th of June the EU is supposedly to announce the talks for Turkey to enter the EU. Now if remain wins, you can then ask Mr. Cameron why he refused to say he would use the veto?
https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/31896584/eu-turkey-to-open-new-membership-talks-sources/#page1
Plus nearly half of Cameron business advisers did sign not up to remain advice
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/almost-half-of-david-camerons-business-advisory-group-fails-to-s/
https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/31896584/eu-turkey-to-open-new-membership-talks-sources/#page1
Plus nearly half of Cameron business advisers did sign not up to remain advice
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/almost-half-of-david-camerons-business-advisory-group-fails-to-s/