No matter how bad the economy gets, it will still be a pound in poundland.

 

 

For those of you not familiar with "corporate" speech, let me explain

The bold means, higher wages, new jobs, better conditions and free ice cream at lunchtime

I fvck you not

 

Does this mean we're kicked out of Eurovision?

 

Ryder Cup

 

 

Well that's interesting, the left, hard or otherwise have been totally absent from this debate

Indeed any real debate in British politics for the last 30 years

But show me where your analysis differs

 

What a sad and terrible result which I admit I didn't expect. I'm old so it doesn't matter to me aside from the possibility of my meagre pension being cut. But my kids are pretty upset as they were very positive about Europe.


I know things will pick up but in just 24 hours the pound has nose dived, billions wiped off share prices worldwide, cost Cameron his career, buggered up Scotland, led to talk of Ireland/NI becoming a joint enterprise, delighted the right wing all over Europe, created need for dozen of civil servants to unravel tens of thousands EC laws which will take years, possibly created enough unease in Europe to result in total break-up, worried tens of thousands of friendly hard working immigrants in UK who pay their taxes and do jobs that Brits are too lazy to take.


Of course there is the Irish solution - if a Referendum goes badly just have another one


David

 

Lol, what part of "out means out" did these fvckwits not understand

Anyway I did ask who changed their vote and why, and who off the undecided actually voted - no takers?

As I said earlier in this thread I love conversion stories

 

Anyway

As said we have to move forward and get the best deal

Lets give farage another crack

 

David, like you my sadness is for my children really

They won't benefit from the advantages of the EU that I have enjoyed over the past 40 years,


Luckily they don't yearn for cheap **** lightbulbs and inefficient hairdryers, but I still think it is the young that have somehow been given the sh1tty end of the stick

 

Come Hodgy, you can't have personally benefitted that much soley from the EU. The restoration and boom of our economy and the busts had as much to do with the EU than our own politics and banking sectors.

Joke about the light bulbs all you want, LED will mature enough so everyone can have it when they are both reliable and as cheap enough to make outside of China without the environmental waste issues, then they will replace the incadecent. Forcing it does not work (the council fitted LED street lamps round here, they seem to fail just as regular and residents are filling the papers with complaints about the excessive glare). CRT TVs died a natural death and that was purely through the public no longer buying them. Plasma has come to the same end as now the latest LCD can just about match it. The same will happen with bulbs and toasters if you give proper manufactures time to develop something that is better at the same or cheaper production cost.

Same with battery powered cars. It's not a new thing..we still have the odd 1960's electric milk float round here still doing deliveries at 4:00am. One day we will have a battery technology superior and less polluting and more stable than li-ion and is economically viable without governments pouring in millions of pounds in grants to tempt people to buy them.

All the EU can do here is dish out grants and create legislation...the EU will not invent or make a"Mr-Fusion" energy reactor nor make it viable to the mass market.

 

I changed mine, from leave to remain. I was originally sold on the idea that we needed to rid ourselves of the bureaucratic over-reach from Brussels, but in the end came to the conclusion that all that would happen is it would slowly and gradually get replaced by our own domestic equivalent, which may turn out to be even worse. And in the meantime, the UK, Europe and the world generally would all suffer the consequences of yet more economic and polticial uncertainty, increased social tensions, and general misery.

As for why I think we got the result we did, overall I don't think the Remain camp made its case particularly well. There should have been far more emphasis for example on all the positive things that Britain has been to able to achieve in its 45 odd years of membership of the EU, and on the positive aspects of this country that make migrants want to come here in the first place. The leave campaign wasn't a lot less negative either though. but then a vote to leave something is a fairly negative thing to start with, so it probably stood out less.

 

I have watched this campaign from afar and have to say if anyone on here didn't think Cameron was a fcukwit before this they should do now.

A man that goes to the bargaining table with nothing to bargain with, gets nothing, tries to sell it as something great and then threatens the people with tax rises and war in order to get them to stay.

It was never going to work and that most astute of politicians Nicola Sturgeon (the SNP are the most capable political party in British politics by a country mile) told him so weeks ago, but he didn't listen... he never does!

If he wanted to do this he should have held the referendum first, then either he wouldn't have had to go negotiating anything if people had voted to stay in or if they voted to leave he would have had that bargaining chip to say to the EU we want this, this and this and then I'll put the vote back to the people... then he could have sold the remain campaign on the back of real concessions.

Anyway he was always an idiot in my eyes so why am I surprised.

What I am surprised about is that he ever held the referendum at all...I never thought he would... I remember his party dismissing UKIP as insignificant all those years ago and yet yesterday was a direct result of them and specifically Farage. Call him whatever you like, but he had a goal and fought to make it happen with a passion rarely displayed in politics these days.

Getting out of the EU is a good result in my opinion and while the short term will be difficult I think the medium and long term will be the making of the country.

Good luck to all of you Even Martin

 

Sorry, but this is just too much.

The freiendly hard working immigrants in Scunny are responsible for about 1/3 of the petty crime, from drunkenness to theft to driving without insurance.

They may pay taxes but many are nett takers, having children for whom they claim child benefit, taking free healthcare and school places, plus their kids cost the schools dear for one on one and translators...which the schools CANNOT claim back from anyone.

And as for lazy Brits, do you know many? Any? Apart from the ones shown on TV?

Personally I watched my sons' friends who didn't go to uni stay out of work because places round town preferred to employ immigrants. The Brit lads would have loved jobs but never got the chance.

The immigration problem has betrayed a generation in most areas...THAT'S why lots of folk voted out. All this stuff about spoiling it for our kids? So much pap. Both my lads and EVERY one of their mates voted out.

 

How long before we leave the EEA though


- The only thing that will facilitate this , and what most people wanted apparently


cant wait see what happs when all the flag waving dies down and settle down to the reality


And how long after that will see the full benefit of lack of Foreigners on our streets

 

Successive governments for nearly most of my life have been on this path to global integration, driven by big business. This was a chance by ordinary man/woman to be heard and shout out. Boy, they did shout.

I am old enough now to realize that life is not all about money, but quality of life. Ask those who have money and those that don't. As long as you have enough then people can be happy.

 

It's a worry mate..

 

Many young people seemed to be against leaving.
Even though i did support leaving,i was also being swayed to remain at times,but that was for more personal reasons.
like i said before whatever the outcome of this vote,we just have to get on and live with it.The EU commission need to reform,and Jean Claude Juncker comes across as being stubborn/ignorant.
Is no point the loosing side making things difficult or being hateful and nasty.
we've all got to come together and work towards making this succeed.
But now Scotland is kicking up a fuss.

 

Like what?! Are the Swiss not able to enjoy the advantages of the EU? Is there a big wall around Switzerland banning travel?

Some people are acting like we've voted to sever all ties! Will France be stopping British tourists from visiting? That would work for their economy wouldn't it :S

 

How many years others will leave before the new year.
I'm betting on the Dutch to be the first of the next wave

 

wouldn't your pension be propped up by big / global business ?

 

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...cid=spartanntp








“You know what, I never thought the British really felt European. They always talk about ‘going on holiday to Europe’. I think Britain is perhaps just a suburb of Europe.”

lol







I guess we can expect those French riots / trouble at tunnel to pick up if anything

 

This sums it up

 

Well it's destroyed cornwalls economy in one fell swoop....

A loss of 150million quid of Eu money for heritage, maintenance and subsidies for all manner of projects to bring tourism and jobs to a poor area.

So far we've saved 350mil a week, the government will have to give 350mil to the NHS (oh wait the out camp broke that promise already )

150mil to Cornwall

70mil to Wales

Etc etc....

Not really saved anything considering the 12% drop in the value of the pound d etc....

 

This.

Of course this is going to be a hard process. We have 43 years of legal integration to unpick. Its not going to happen overnight. But the opportunities by doing so are so important and under appreciated will lead to a better, stronger, richer and prouder Britain, trading around the whole world, rather than just focused on Europe. We did the continent of Europe a great service on Thursday, freeing them from the EU will benefit them too

On a separate issue, the whining younger generation really do need a good talking to. This not in my name bollox really shows just how ignorant they are about democracy and how immature their attitudes. Hopefully they will grow up

 

From elesewhere

 

Give me a day or two to marshall my thoughts. Feel too gutted and mournful to cobble together a small essay. In the meantime:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...y-country-back

 

The majority of the Cornish (I'm maternally Cornish going back 700 years so feel I have a say) voted out. The Welsh (I live amongst them) voted out. They've been given guns and bullets by Farage, Gove and Johnson and shot themselves. I despair.