www.thesun.co.uk/news/1342487/anti-eu-flyers-calling-polish-people-vermin-have-been-placed-on-residents-doorsteps/


Not far from me.

 

Was there a chill the air when you ordered your morning expresso Jeff , or the usual Gallic shrug ?

 

That's a total misquote. I said: 'there are plenty of lesser countries than the UK (that's most of them in my view) that do very well in the world without being part of some super group of nations and instead prefer to walk their own path.' Basically, if lesser countries can make it on their own then the UK certainly can.

It's amusing that you imagine 16.1 million of the right thinking intelligentsia (presumably including yourself amongst that far seeing bunch) were overwhelmed by 17.4 million ill informed half wits! By that reckoning, with so many dumbos in the country we were probably doomed to fail whichever way the vote went.

If it's of any interest I voted to stay in, but what's done is done and wringing hands and crying about it won't help at all. We've got to make the best of it and get on with it.

 

Read this story on Mafaro , Zimbabwean social media website

theyre wondering if its blacks next

 

What did we expect?

When you have live TV debates with a bile spitting Scotswoman attacking a bumbling Boris shouting that he's only doing this so he can be the next prime minister, instead of being rational and correctly countering the claims and showing up the pipe dream for what it is.

What benefit was that diatribe to anyone?

Where was the media and politician's reports of the benefits the like of Wales received from the EU? It probably was there somewhere, but it was buried beneath almost continuous streams of headlines and soundbites about the livery on a Bus and and how racist UKIP and some non-dom Irish t*sser sailing around the Thames littered among the "expert" write-ups from "know-it-all" column journalists about how stupid exit voters are and how the EU stifles our freedoms and apparently overpopulates us.

Is it any wonder?

 

Not in the slightest, the remain campaign couldn't have been much worse if they'd tried. It really shouldn't have taken much to show Brexit for what it was but they didn't even try.

 

I quoted you, so anyone could see exactly what you said.

In bold, one person/one vote, it's not hard to see how a vote can go one way rather than the other. As this referendum has shown, it is far easier to influence the vote of the intellectually challenged as their life view is so simplistic.

I'm have no qualms about voicing my opinions on the intelligence of the general public. I knew the majority were not too bright long before this referendum reared its ugly head. Their impact on the politics of this country is usually minimized by virtue of the fact that they can't be bothered to vote. No bad thing as they're clueless anyway.
The 'Leave' campaign unsurprisingly appealed to their bigotted preconceptions of the world formed from within the goldfish bowl that is their actual world.
Maybe there will be a Revolt of the Retarded when they come to realise that they won't get what they voted for (which wasn't leaving the E.U. but was 'no more immigrants' etc.).

 

I think the voting has turned out almost as I expected , not completely surprised

Don't think call anyone voters stupid , they've voted with their hearts slightly hoodwinked by brexit claims that they believe will come in SOONER rather than later

Fact is very little of any benefit / loss is going to be known for YEARS

 

I reckon the taffs knew very well the amount eu cash being splurged , realised it couldn't possibly last So now simply stuck two fingers up .

Wales is Still a long way from tory central hq funding

 

God knows... I predicted which parts of the country would be in/out earlier ( https://www.scoobynet.com/1035248-eu...l#post11849805 ) and the only part I was wrong on was Wales.

I know parts of Wales was very hard done by...I studied Welsh towns as part of my human geography A-Level module 20years ago which included field visits and comparing current land use to historic and the general development/decline in living, industry as well as retail in towns at probably the worst point of decline in its recent history. I re-visited some places in more recent years and seen a huge investment and improvement more-so than the areas that I live in back in the Midlands; they've had it fairly good in comparison. So the results is a strange one.

 

Nail on the head.

Alastair Campbell:

Well, Michael Gove was right about the experts being wrong. They totally underestimated the extent of the disaster that Brexit would unleash. It is perhaps why he and his partner in crime Boris Johnson looked like they were at the funeral of their old friend yesterday, not a celebration of one of the most remarkable and truly historic campaign victories of our time.

So let's look at some of the things we on the Remain side said would happen, and which were all dismissed as the scaremongering of Project Fear.

Virtually every major economic voice in the world warned there would be an immediate plunge in the value of the pound, investors would start to pull out, and the Bank of England would have to step in. As the pound charts began to resemble a modern graphic of the white cliffs of Dover, no wonder Gove and Johnson looked sick. The vote had wiped out more money than we had paid into the EU in the last 15 years. Brilliant. They took back control of economic madness.

The economic shrinkage that is now on the way means that far from their claim (aka lie) about more money from the NHS being delivered by Brexit, public services will now see their budgets cut. And in any event, Johnson's fellow campaigner Nigel Farage has already dumped the NHS pledge, just as Daniel Hannan MEP has begun to walk away from the pledge to stop free movement.

Dover, by the way − that is where the border with France is moving to now. That was Project Fear too. Of course the French would continue to look after our borders − said LEAVE. It's in their interests too, innit, stands to reason, common sense? The French authorities are already calling for the Treaty of Le Touquet to be renegotiated. It is going to happen.

Then there is the hard Irish border which is already on the agenda − that was never going to happen− said LEAVE. Well the logic of ending free movement of people means it has to happen. You cannot be out of the single market and not have controls at border points. Impossible. One of those inconvenient truths that had no place in the wretched, dumbed down, post-intelligence debate we have had, where brainy Oxbridge politicians link up with the right-wing tax dodgers, foreigners, liars and pornographers who own most of our national press and are today enjoying the benefits of years of lying about Europe and hate-stirring against immigrants. The power-crazed Murdochs and sociopathic Dacres of this world are all too easy to despise. But it was politicians Johnson, Gove and Farage who managed to turn the lies and the myths into a campaign that persuaded millions of people to go their way.

Then there is Scotland, and our warnings that a Brexit vote would lead to the break-up of the Union. Scaremongering. No way would the Scots go for a second referendum with the oil price so low. Well as we have seen in recent days sometimes emotion can top economics. Added to which I for one would much rather live in the Scotland Nicola Sturgeon described yesterday than the England of Johnson and Farage. Scotland will get a second referendum. And the Union is likely to break. And many of those English people who voted for Brexit will say "oh well, who needs them?" Like they have been saying who needs the EU, and singing their xenophobic songs about it at the football in France. They are beginning to get their answer.

This referendum has been a bigger story around the world than any event in Britain since the death of Princess Diana. The consequences are obviously far, far greater. Most of the rest of the world is looking on with a mix of bemusement and concern. The exceptions are Isis, who welcomed the decision (and those of us who said they would were attacked for even suggesting they might), Donald Trump, who dropped into the cartoon yesterday to insult the Prime Minister and our intelligence, and Vladimir Putin, who is rejoicing in seeing Europe destabilised without him needing to lift a finger. As an American friend emailed me yesterday "at least we can now begin to lose our reputation as the most stupid country in the world".

To watch and hear the vox pops of some of my fellow Brits expressing buyers' remorse yesterday was to want to weep. "I only voted LEAVE because everyone said REMAIN was winning."

Another said: "I didn't realise it would actually mean we left. All my family are really sad today. We want to go and vote again."

"I thought they were just trying to scare us when they said the pound would fall."

And: "I voted by post and now I wished I hadn't."

There were also the ones celebrating because they imagined the lies they had been told were actually going to happen. "We'll be able to build a new hospital every week."; "The immigrants will have to go home now."; "We've got our country back." Well you wait and just see what kind of country this will create.

There was the lifelong Tory, the man who said he liked and admired David Cameron, who couldn't believe the Prime Minister was resigning. He had breathed in the warm words of admiration of the LEAVE Tories that they wanted Cameron to stay. And do their dirty work. If Cameron was as ruthless, nasty and narcissistic as Johnson, he would ask him to be Chancellor and Gove to be Foreign Secretary, and take a long holiday.

At 10pm on Thursday, as the markets, the pollsters and the bookies wrongly declared for REMAIN, Cameron looked like he might go down in history as the man who won two elections, three referendums, dragged the Tories into the modern world by settling the argument on Europe and strengthened the economy after the crash. Now he is in the history books forever for one thing and one alone. The man who gave a referendum to the people to make the biggest political decision of our lifetime, which led to Britain leaving the EU.

The tragedy lies in the fact that his arguments were right but they were not enough to defeat the myths and the lies, and the emotions, anger, divisions and inequalities of the post crash, post globalisation world. And though I always said it was a huge strategic error to cave in to a referendum, rather than fight and win the case as part of a general election, he showed yesterday that at least he has the courage, bearing and dignity that real leadership sometimes requires. Johnson looked about as Prime Ministerial as a discarded half-eaten Chinese takeaway sitting on the kitchen table after a heavy night that felt great at the time but left you with a nauseous feeling in the stomach and a dreadful pain in the head. As for the protests of young people to whom he used to project himself as modern, outward-looking, pro-immigration (when running for Mayor), their protests will now follow him wherever he goes.

And what a wonderful irony that a campaign whose central argument was that the people should be able to elect our own leaders so we weren't "run by unelected bureaucrats" (sic) ends with a new Prime Minister elected only by the shrinking force that is the Tory Party membership. An irony horribly compounded by this reality - Boris Johnson, as elitist and right wing as they come, has been put into poll position by blue-collar workers who will be the hardest hit by the consequences both of Brexit and of a Johnson government.

The Tory Party, dominated by the older generation who voted overwhelmingly for a Brexit younger people did not want, may well elect him. But for the country Johnson has gone overnight from being a loveable rogue who knows how to work up a crowd to being the most divisive political figure in the country. And right now the country needs leaders who can heal not divide. Johnson is not that man. Nor is Jeremy Corbyn, as has been obvious since he was elected Labour leader, as was obvious during the campaign and obvious again yesterday. He just cannot do the job.

We have a crisis of leadership at a time we could be heading for a crisis in the economy and a crisis of division within the country. These are dark and depressing times. This is a divided country and the divisions are within as well as between communities.

Many are now saying we all need to pull together and make this work. I am not sure I agree. The country has voted on a totally false prospectus for a decision that has dramatic and damaging consequences, many as yet unseen. As the reality of that sinks in, the anger will grow. I believe the recognition of the sheer scale of the error that has been made will grow. The demands for a second referendum will grow. Or for a general election where an unequivocally pro-EU case can be put by an unequivocally progressive party. Right now it is hard to see where that party is or who are the people who could lead it. But without it, this country is in trouble and staring at rapid decline.

And discredited though they are, the pollsters might try to find out what proportion of the population think we made the right decision on Thursday. I suspect it will be well short of 52%.

 

On the money.

 

hohoho Alistair Campbell master of spin

He may well have supplied that pornography


look it up

 

by 3am on the night it was obvious it was rich vs poor
all the rich winging remainers i hear marbella is nice this time of year
the gravy train has come to a end for the people involved in the grants who take out large wages before the poor see any benefit, what a shame they may now actually have to work for a living like the rest of us

 

Unfortunately I suspect you are not capable of understanding the irony that it's those at the bottom that are going to be hurt the most by this.

Going on about gravy trains shows how bereft of original thought you are.

 

I'm sorry I stopped reading at the French borders bit.

Because it is wrong.

Our juxtaposed boarder agreement with France is independent of the EU. This is called the Touquet treaty; one made between only the UK and France. Here it is: http://collections.europarchive.org/...ile/cm6172.pdf

It's actually a two-way deal as the French can check anyone entering France whilst in the UK, but arguably the French got the s**ty end of the stick.

Point being its a treaty deal independent of the EU as it doesn't exist anywhere else because of the Schengen treaty negates it: A treaty which we never signed up to.

And to back up my point and seeing that we like posting Guardian links on here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...y-brexit-paris

Calais has been campaigning to end the Touquet treaty for a long time, understandably, our referendum result is just another reason to bang the same old drum. The treaty may end, it may not. It may have ended whilst still being in the EU...the point being Campbell does not know either way, so he is wrong to say otherwise.

The treaty can be ended at anytime, by either country. But it will take two year to end from the point of notification of termination: ( See the treaty linked above: Page 12. Article 25 section 2. )

Alastair Campbell is doing what he does best; spin and belittle. I haven't read the rest of the above because by the fith paragraph its clear he too is part of the problem that caused this mess. Just remember he earns money from publishing his diatribe

 

http://keithharris.org/petition/

 

I like this one

Alastair Campbell is a problematic individual. No one should dispute that he has brains, talent, persistence and energy: four of the many qualities one needs to be a “winner”. But he has a reputation from his past life in politics that has bestowed upon him the sort of toxicity that normally requires an approach in one of the total-immersion suits worn by those heroically dealing with the ebola scare.

 

Wee nic could save the day

Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could veto Brexit
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-36633244

 

This whole second referendum thing is really starting to annoy me now.

Under the terms of the petition you would never get a result and would be permanently be asking the country the same question.

 

This is the kind of narrative that has got where we are now.

 

I agree it is worded wrong.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

 

Can we have a referndum on this thread?

My god why are you lot still banging on, can we now talk about cars? I check the board like 5times a day and the only threads coming up are about the eu,

Join the forums over at www.boringasfcuk.wereout.itspointless.net

 

Or atleast point us in the direction of a few good subaru forums.

 

As he says...
We are out now this will not change so deal with it.everybody had a vote those who didn't because of various excuses well tough luck.

 

on what basis have you assumed this,
the min wage will stay the same
benefits will stay the same
the only downside is that the new pm will be unelected by us

 

The other problem you have is all those who voted remain, are now being negitive, and moaning. People dont like change, they like tonstay in their blinkered little bubble.

The uk will be fine, europe isnt everything. Do not worry people.

 

I believe even poor people occasionally have to buy/pay for things other than beer and ****.

 

I was going to let it slide when it was just SNs favourite troll but seeing you're the second person winging about it, there's a little line of text at the top that tells you what section of the forum you're in. If you look carefully it says "non Scooby related", the description fir which states "anything non-scooby related". This is none Scooby related, live with it.

 

You've no idea on the first two, but you're right on the third. How's that working out for you?