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26 June 2016 | 09:53 PM
#2762
watch this all through and tell me you still want to remain in
listen to the hitler part followed by churchills staement of europe the eu was all hitlers idea. even edward heath knew we would lose our soverenty in 1973,, 14.20mins says it all for me
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26 June 2016 | 10:51 PM
#2764
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From: Friedrichshafen Germany/Preston UK
26 June 2016 | 11:48 PM
#2766
27 June 2016 | 05:29 AM
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27 June 2016 | 08:12 AM
#2770
2. They will also be able to export to others at better prices IF THEY WISH.
3. Immigration will NOT stop. It will be controlled. If Poles etc still want to come for field work, they will still be able to on visas, but no extra benefits!
All sounds good to me
27 June 2016 | 08:15 AM
#2771
2. Oh, I understand it, it's just backwards way on.
27 June 2016 | 08:18 AM
#2772
So now we know the real reason why we haven't invoked Article 50. The Brexit campaign weren't expecting to win and have no post Brexit plan!! You can't make it up! Cameron played a very clever card in resigning. In doing so removed the responsibility from himself to Boris to invoke Article 50. Now it will be he who will be under pressure from the EU as they demand the Article 50 invocation. It will be he who will have to face up to the EU community and they will be hard on him as they will undoubtedly make an example of the UK to prevent other EU members from calling a referendum. With no plan Boris is now in a bit of a pickle.
What ON EARTH are you on about?
It's not up to those who campaigned or voted to put a plan in place, it's up to those we pay to do so, to do the will of the British people!
27 June 2016 | 09:25 AM
#2773
There will be a lot of British people who either live or work in the EU will be screwed now as how can they live and work freely in a union we are not part of. It's going to get complicated for a lot of people.
27 June 2016 | 09:31 AM
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No you don't get it either.
Its this belittling rhetoric that has in my opinion caused the greatest swing to an exit. The London based media is scurrying round looking at statistics from every where, some bonafide, some not and drawing ridiculous conclusions from them. The Guardian's reports on this is the perfect examples. The guardian hasn't properly referenced their data. It should be done according to the Harvard referencing system which is the accepted method of using and publishing findings based on third party data/information,also no journalist has signed it off as their own works (edit: it was Caelainn Barr ) . So what we have is a poorly referenced article with the journalist not being properly held accountable.
Its the same the nation over with various media outlets, publicists, politicians, councilors, union representatives, spin doctor etc.
Now bear in mind I VOTED IN. I can see this for what it is; A ridiculous attempt to draw a conclusion on a short-minded assumption. And you've fell for it, like many have with the reporting given over the past few months from both the Exit and IN coverage.
I'll end with this thought....What happens to a group of people if you treat them all like imbeciles and morons over a extended period? I'll answer that for you; They tend to either rebel and become obstructive or accept that label and behave as such.
If the Guardian et al. wishes to label exit voters as stupid and mock a person's intelligence, ok; As I pointed out earlier with d'Ancona's article, they among many other have already done and continue to do so. However they are now paying that price.
My advice is stop blaming and belittling people who voted with same old pathetic rhetoric and instead blame the ones who influenced them. Mocking someone because they followed Farage or Boris etc isn't the answer, it just cemented their viewpoint.
Its this belittling rhetoric that has in my opinion caused the greatest swing to an exit. The London based media is scurrying round looking at statistics from every where, some bonafide, some not and drawing ridiculous conclusions from them. The Guardian's reports on this is the perfect examples. The guardian hasn't properly referenced their data. It should be done according to the Harvard referencing system which is the accepted method of using and publishing findings based on third party data/information,
Its the same the nation over with various media outlets, publicists, politicians, councilors, union representatives, spin doctor etc.
Now bear in mind I VOTED IN. I can see this for what it is; A ridiculous attempt to draw a conclusion on a short-minded assumption. And you've fell for it, like many have with the reporting given over the past few months from both the Exit and IN coverage.
I'll end with this thought....What happens to a group of people if you treat them all like imbeciles and morons over a extended period? I'll answer that for you; They tend to either rebel and become obstructive or accept that label and behave as such.
If the Guardian et al. wishes to label exit voters as stupid and mock a person's intelligence, ok; As I pointed out earlier with d'Ancona's article, they among many other have already done and continue to do so. However they are now paying that price.
My advice is stop blaming and belittling people who voted with same old pathetic rhetoric and instead blame the ones who influenced them. Mocking someone because they followed Farage or Boris etc isn't the answer, it just cemented their viewpoint.
OK, lets deal with this
first the straw man you built - nowhere in my post did I mention who voted in or out - you me or anyone
so please don't insult my intelligence with that cheap trick
if in doubt read my post again
it was written as a response to your ridiculous ill-informed ignorant post #2597 and then your reply to JT's post, a post that just shows the data regarding the voter breakdown
Here is another source from an arch brexiter
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06...-voted-and-why
it show the same results
once again – show where the data is wrong,
that is ironically actually how science works, looking at the data and trying to understand it
not simply saying “I don’t believe it la la la la” and posting a pathetic clutching at straws image
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27 June 2016 | 09:54 AM
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Hang on...the Brexiters now run the country? The government has resigned en masse? As have all those who voted to remain in the Liebour party? I'm over in France so didn't see that news.......
What ON EARTH are you on about?
It's not up to those who campaigned or voted to put a plan in place, it's up to those we pay to do so, to do the will of the British people!
What ON EARTH are you on about?
It's not up to those who campaigned or voted to put a plan in place, it's up to those we pay to do so, to do the will of the British people!
There simply is no exit plan.
"Sky News Political Editor Faisal Islam spoke to a Tory MP from the Vote Leave campaign and his take on Britain’s future post-Brexit was quite something.
Faisal Islam asked the MP: ‘So where’s the plan, can we see the Brexit plan now?’
Islam quoted the MP as saying: ‘There is no plan. The Leave campaign don’t have a post-Brexit plan’.
Islam went on: ‘And he was pointing to over there where the Vote Leave HQ was, and then he pointed over there [towards Number 10 Downing St] and he said “Number 10 should have had a plan”.
‘Now it sounds like I’m making that up. That literally happened two hours ago.’
So there we have it. That’s the plan that has been prepared for life after Brexit"
Dave has, it appears, pulled a blinder and Boris is potentially in a personal lose lose situation. That's why they all wrote to Dave and practically begged him to stay in office.
Boris may well have f*cked himself trying to f*ck Dave
27 June 2016 | 09:58 AM
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Hang on...the Brexiters now run the country? The government has resigned en masse? As have all those who voted to remain in the Liebour party? I'm over in France so didn't see that news.......
What ON EARTH are you on about?
It's not up to those who campaigned or voted to put a plan in place, it's up to those we pay to do so, to do the will of the British people!
What ON EARTH are you on about?
It's not up to those who campaigned or voted to put a plan in place, it's up to those we pay to do so, to do the will of the British people!
Last edited by jonc; 27 June 2016 at 10:04 AM.
27 June 2016 | 10:01 AM
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No, since Cameron has resigned, we effectively have no one leading the country. He has, quite rightly, left it to the next PM to take responsibility to invoke Article 50. The front runner for the PM role is Boris and with him will have 5 other cabinet ministers and the 130 or so Conservative MPs, ie. "those we pay", to formulate a Brexit plan. What is most galling is that despite all the promises of the Leave campaign, they didn't actually have a Brexit plan in place for their eventual win. It's all up in the air at the moment. Is it any wonder why Boris didn't seem overly ecstatic with the win over the weekend as the reality dawns of what lays a head for him and the other conservative MPs who campaigned for to Leave.
27 June 2016 | 10:01 AM
#2778
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Jeff
There simply is no exit plan.
"Sky News Political Editor Faisal Islam spoke to a Tory MP from the Vote Leave campaign and his take on Britain’s future post-Brexit was quite something.
Faisal Islam asked the MP: ‘So where’s the plan, can we see the Brexit plan now?’
Islam quoted the MP as saying: ‘There is no plan. The Leave campaign don’t have a post-Brexit plan’.
Islam went on: ‘And he was pointing to over there where the Vote Leave HQ was, and then he pointed over there [towards Number 10 Downing St] and he said “Number 10 should have had a plan”.
‘Now it sounds like I’m making that up. That literally happened two hours ago.’
So there we have it. That’s the plan that has been prepared for life after Brexit"
Dave has, it appears, pulled a blinder and Boris is potentially in a personal lose lose situation. That's why they all wrote to Dave and practically begged him to stay in office.
Boris may well have f*cked himself trying to f*ck Dave
There simply is no exit plan.
"Sky News Political Editor Faisal Islam spoke to a Tory MP from the Vote Leave campaign and his take on Britain’s future post-Brexit was quite something.
Faisal Islam asked the MP: ‘So where’s the plan, can we see the Brexit plan now?’
Islam quoted the MP as saying: ‘There is no plan. The Leave campaign don’t have a post-Brexit plan’.
Islam went on: ‘And he was pointing to over there where the Vote Leave HQ was, and then he pointed over there [towards Number 10 Downing St] and he said “Number 10 should have had a plan”.
‘Now it sounds like I’m making that up. That literally happened two hours ago.’
So there we have it. That’s the plan that has been prepared for life after Brexit"
Dave has, it appears, pulled a blinder and Boris is potentially in a personal lose lose situation. That's why they all wrote to Dave and practically begged him to stay in office.
Boris may well have f*cked himself trying to f*ck Dave
http://qz.com/717182/a-brexit-conspi...ds-himself-in/
"If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten … the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over – Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession … broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was “never”. When Michael Gove went on and on about “informal negotiations” … why? why not the formal ones straight away? … he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign."
Last edited by hodgy0_2; 27 June 2016 at 10:03 AM.
27 June 2016 | 10:03 AM
#2779
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So £350 million gross, takeaway rebate(variable, decided, controlled by EU and returned the following year)=Net figure.
That still allows UK to spend £350 million on priorities that the UK decides to spend it on, with no interference from the EU and without waiting for a proportion to come next year
That still allows UK to spend £350 million on priorities that the UK decides to spend it on, with no interference from the EU and without waiting for a proportion to come next year
27 June 2016 | 10:06 AM
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DD read this
http://qz.com/717182/a-brexit-conspi...ds-himself-in/
"If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten … the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over – Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession … broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was “never”. When Michael Gove went on and on about “informal negotiations” … why? why not the formal ones straight away? … he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign."
http://qz.com/717182/a-brexit-conspi...ds-himself-in/
"If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten … the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over – Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession … broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was “never”. When Michael Gove went on and on about “informal negotiations” … why? why not the formal ones straight away? … he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign."
27 June 2016 | 10:10 AM
#2781
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the thing is JT when you boil this down - it was ALL about Warren & Farage and paradoxically there anti democratic, conspiratorial authoritarian bullying views
nothing else, everything is various degree of irrelevance
common sense sacrificed on the alter of democracy
yes there are issues with the EU, Immigration et al - and globalisation the EU is NOT perfect as everyone will admit - and overwhelming these effect the poor and disadvantaged
but this was never really what this was about - it was and is about power
nothing else, everything is various degree of irrelevance
common sense sacrificed on the alter of democracy
yes there are issues with the EU, Immigration et al - and globalisation the EU is NOT perfect as everyone will admit - and overwhelming these effect the poor and disadvantaged
but this was never really what this was about - it was and is about power
27 June 2016 | 10:19 AM
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I'm vacillating. On the one hand I think and feel he was a good PM and statesman and politician, on the other he was the one who promised and subsequently delivered the referendum that's got us to this point and he did so in order to fend off UKIP. Either way I admire him and will miss his combative style at PMqs. I can think of no other British politician who I'd rather have at the helm - sometimes it's better the devil you know - alas his position is now untenable. I think his exit strategy, in direct opposition to Britain's, was noble, shrewd and logically self-interested.
Last edited by JTaylor; 27 June 2016 at 11:03 AM.
27 June 2016 | 10:45 AM
#2787
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Jeff
There simply is no exit plan.
"Sky News Political Editor Faisal Islam spoke to a Tory MP from the Vote Leave campaign and his take on Britain’s future post-Brexit was quite something.
Faisal Islam asked the MP: ‘So where’s the plan, can we see the Brexit plan now?’
Islam quoted the MP as saying: ‘There is no plan. The Leave campaign don’t have a post-Brexit plan’.
Islam went on: ‘And he was pointing to over there where the Vote Leave HQ was, and then he pointed over there [towards Number 10 Downing St] and he said “Number 10 should have had a plan”.
‘Now it sounds like I’m making that up. That literally happened two hours ago.’
So there we have it. That’s the plan that has been prepared for life after Brexit"
Dave has, it appears, pulled a blinder and Boris is potentially in a personal lose lose situation. That's why they all wrote to Dave and practically begged him to stay in office.
Boris may well have f*cked himself trying to f*ck Dave
There simply is no exit plan.
"Sky News Political Editor Faisal Islam spoke to a Tory MP from the Vote Leave campaign and his take on Britain’s future post-Brexit was quite something.
Faisal Islam asked the MP: ‘So where’s the plan, can we see the Brexit plan now?’
Islam quoted the MP as saying: ‘There is no plan. The Leave campaign don’t have a post-Brexit plan’.
Islam went on: ‘And he was pointing to over there where the Vote Leave HQ was, and then he pointed over there [towards Number 10 Downing St] and he said “Number 10 should have had a plan”.
‘Now it sounds like I’m making that up. That literally happened two hours ago.’
So there we have it. That’s the plan that has been prepared for life after Brexit"
Dave has, it appears, pulled a blinder and Boris is potentially in a personal lose lose situation. That's why they all wrote to Dave and practically begged him to stay in office.
Boris may well have f*cked himself trying to f*ck Dave
Perhaps if he had made it clear that if the public voted for leave he would step down and someone for the leave campaign would need to take over then there could have been more of a plan in progress from the leave campaign although I still think they should have had one anyway.
It was obvious that Cameron resigning wasn't anything to do with with what is best for the country and all that boll0x it was a simple case of him saying i'm having nothing to do with this i'm off and someone else can sort it out. Not really the idea of a referendum is it? Surely he as Prime Minster willingly giving the public a referendum it's his duty to accept the result and deal with it. It's as if he never believed for a second he would actually lose so when he did he thought run away.
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27 June 2016 | 10:51 AM
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I think this raises an important point. When Cameron agreed to a referendum did he state that if he didn't get the result he campaigned for he would quit? Or did he give the impression that as Prime Minister he was going to act on what the public wanted and carry out their wishes which ever way they voted?
Perhaps if he had made it clear that if the public voted for leave he would step down and someone for the leave campaign would need to take over then there could have been more of a plan in progress from the leave campaign although I still think they should have had one anyway.
It was obvious that Cameron resigning wasn't anything to do with with what is best for the country and all that boll0x it was a simple case of him saying i'm having nothing to do with this i'm off and someone else can sort it out. Not really the idea of a referendum is it? It's as if he never believed for a second he would actually lose.
Perhaps if he had made it clear that if the public voted for leave he would step down and someone for the leave campaign would need to take over then there could have been more of a plan in progress from the leave campaign although I still think they should have had one anyway.
It was obvious that Cameron resigning wasn't anything to do with with what is best for the country and all that boll0x it was a simple case of him saying i'm having nothing to do with this i'm off and someone else can sort it out. Not really the idea of a referendum is it? It's as if he never believed for a second he would actually lose.
I said that in a post in this thread over a month ago
whatever he or anyone else said in public
it simply was NEVER going to happen
and I am dumfounded by people who are surprised by this - I really really am, it actually sadness me people can be so naive
Boris's plan was for a very narrow win for IN - again I suspect he knows Cameron would still have gone
and Boris would have had the benefit of being on the moral high ground
and get to be PM with out all the baggage of having to leave the EU
Boris gambled with yours and my future - and sadly my children's
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27 June 2016 | 10:55 AM
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I'm vacillating. On the one hand I think and feel he was a good PM and statesman and politician, on the other he was the one who promised and subsequently delivered the referendum that's got us to this point and he did so in order to fend off UKIP. Either way I admire him and will miss his combative style at PMqs. I can think of no other British politician who'd I'd rather have at the helm - sometimes it's better the devil you know - alas his position is now untenable. I think his exit strategy, in direct opposition to Britain's, was noble, shrewd and logically self-interested.
