Save democracy sign now:

https://www.change.org/p/house-of-co...edium=copylink

 

no he can't Matt

the rules have changed we have fixed term parliaments

a dissolution requires a two thirds vote

 

Wow! OK, damn i was banking on that, we are all scr*wed then.

#frantically goes to read up about emigration

Mind you, maybe 2/3 of MP are against us leaving, there may yet be hope.

 

I wasn't aware of this until now!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-...ments_Act_2011

It seems that parliament can only be dissolved by an act of parliament with a 2/3 majority or by a motion of no confidence in the government.

It will be interesting to see what happens then!

 

Democracy is apparently overrated. We need saving from ourselves.

Thanks for the link though.

 

Too right ..

Check out Syria!!!

 

I suspect it is correct that you can't simply give up the "right" to UK citizenship certainly if you were born here


I suspect if you could it would be a symbolic thing - so reversible


But with all these dual nationality rules I still ask my self how does the UK know I am a NZ citizen

I simply can't believe there is a database

 

Some questions:-

Why aren't the leave campaigners joining arm in arm and telling us how this is all going to work?

Did Boris use the referendum to further his own agenda and hoped that he would, in fact, lose by a narrow margin?

If the answer to question 1 is that the leavers didn't actually expect, or want, to win and the answer to question 2 is a yes and Boris is now facing the end of his political career:-

Should the result stand?

Was the whole thing a conservative party power play dressed up as something else?

 

As an boss used to say to me "we are where we are"

We just have deal with it (whilst enjoying a bit of fun at the brexiters expense)

My focus, as always, is to make sure my children have the best possible present and future

And to equip them with all the tools needed to succeed in life

In that sense this vote changes nothing for me

 

Yes, read my earlier posts

 

Is s going to become the longest thread in Scoobynet history?

 

Good question! They seem to have done a good job of crawling into the woodwork since the vote!


I'm not sure if was hoping to lose, but he was certainly using the whole thing to boost his own career! He wasn't however counting on Cameron resigning and leaving him with the undesirable job of either enacting article 50 or rejecting the referendum result.


Of course the result stands, but parliament are not required to take any action on it! This is what has landed Johnson in the poo by Cameron resigning. Whoever is the next PM has to make the decision and its a lose-lose situation.

The hope of course, in the event of a Leave victory, is that Cameron would have to take the rap for the decision, hence the letter requesting him not to resign. Cameron has played a political blinder by forcing someone else to deal with it.

Either choice to pursue Brexit or defy the referendum result will be unpopular with a significant amount of the population. The only way out is to try to dissolve parliament and have a general election with one side arguing to enact article 50 and the other side arguing to remain in the EU. The leader of the winning side can then legitimately take the decision with a mandate from the people.


I'm surprised you even need to ask this! Cameron offered the referendum to appease the Tory right dissidents who feared losing votes to UKIP. This was initially about stabilising the Tory in-fighting, but Johnson and Gove saw an opportunity for a power-play within the government.

The funny thing is, its only really UKIP that have been completely honest about what they wanted to achieve. But neither UKIP or the Leave campaign have a real plan for the future.

 

just a nipper compared with pissys housing thread , so far

 

I know of three. One was going to vote remain, but changed his mind at the last minute so his son has a better future. His son, he said, wanted to be a paliantologist in America. I asked him how old his son was, he told me he is nine. I told him my twelve year old wanted to be a scientist at one point but that has died a death.

Another, one of my wife's employees, was told to vote leave by her parents. My wife pointed out to her that her best friend being a European migrant, may well have to leave the country. She did not realise this.

Another, my wife's aunt, put a post on Facebook after the result, asking if that now meant England had to pull out of the euros. I'm guessing she would rather watch corrie.

This is the mentality of the 'leavers' that I know folks.

So many stories of people voting leave and regretting it. I doubt the same would have been said if remain had won.

 

That's because no one expected them to win and as such they've got precisely no plan what so ever for what to do next. Some place somewhere you'll find a load of politicians/civil servants working away frantically trying to come up with a plan.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-market-access


Like that was ever going wash lol

 

Forgot about the that. Well done. I scrapped mine years ago after Steve Simpson blew the engine up. I sued him and got fully paid out!

 

My stepdad was Irish and after a few years, my mum decided to swap her British passport for an Irish one. She had to surrender her UK passport though. I recall she said that to all intents and purposes, she was considered as an Irish citizen. I'm not sure what would have happened if she'd tried to reverse her decision

 

yes, its been fun - sort of (without making light of a very very serious development, throughout the entire work)

a 50 / 50 decision with a totally asymmetric result

but what is amusing TH, is the hypocrisy of some people

we all know Snet doesn't like political correctness

you know, complaints when anyone thinks Clarskon calling an Asian a "slope" is offensive

nargh, they are being politically correct - something which has ruined the UK

yet when it is dished back to them (yes I am politically UNcorrect at times) they don't like it and take their ball home

you see accusing someone of being politically correct is really just pseudo intellectual cover for being rude, ignorant and abusive

it is a "power" thing, but infortunatly for them

a. it does not effect me
b. I see it for what it really is - simple bullying (we know Clarkson a bully!!!!)

but in the words of Corporal Jones "they don't like it up em"

 

Hey Andy - seems like you had a similar experience to me. I had a disastrous experience with Simpson - I still have a copy of the letter here that I used to threaten legal action

 

demand for Irish passports has shot through the roof, even in unionist area of Belfast post offices have run out of forms

the ramifications of this vote are truly hard to fathom

 

So what do you suggest,spend weeks maybe months carry on arguing campaigning for a second referendum ? Which probably won't happen.And if
we did by some chance got one,it would make the UK look bad,a nation that can't make its mind up and back tracks,Is no point pondering anymore.
A new prime minister will be decided by September 2nd.
Everyone needs to get onboard and move this forward,get the best possible negotiations etc we can from it.No point standing around sulking wishing it hasn't happened,that won't get us anywhere.
You want a second referendum ? Start preying,but have you ever thought maybe this was meant to happen.

 

This is why no reversal can be tolerated or even envisaged. Can you imagine crawling back on our hands and knees and abasing ourselves before a smug EU, asking for forgiveness for our cheek and can we come back? They would wipe the floor with us and UK cred would go out of the window worldwide. I don't fear much but I would fear that outcome.

 

Well said, a second referendum would be a disaster for the UK's image. We'd probably find by the time it came around things would've settled, UK exporters would be reporting a boost in exports and people would be focusing on the positives and moving forward by then - the vote would end up being Leave again and we'd look very stupid.

As it stands we've shown the rest of the world we've got the ***** to make a difficult decision to secure our long term prosperity and it's up to us now to make it work.

 

Exactly I bet Juncker and co are laughing there socks off at us.Oh look over three million people have signed a petition for second referendum,its making us look bad and doing more harm than good.If we had a second referendum I think it would put this country into a definite recession,The economy,stock market etc would be even more unsure where this country is going.Have your sulk and cry,Now it's time to get on with things and drive this forward.
Come together not be divided,and try make a success.Show the rest of the world and Europe this is why Britain is called Great Britian.

 

Very true.

Your 'taking ball home' phrase in particular has been absolutely hilarious. It generates a mental image of someone stroppy, literally taking their ball home. Long may your free flowing, undaunted straight talking continue; with or without anyone wanting to take their ball home.

 

I don't think admitting one's wrong makes one look "stupid". That's pride talking. No, I think a u-turn would be welcomed by the majority of GB, Europe and the World. The socio-political purge of ideological Brexiters would be a welcome side-effect. I am a European.

 

You're also a deluded European if you believe that. I would be ashamed of this country and its leaders if this were to happen, and ashamed of myself for being associated with them.

 

Actually coming across slightly bourgeois now

 

Macho poppycock.