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#2944
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We are a very, very long way away from anarchy
Last edited by trails; 28 June 2016 at 08:27 AM. Reason: makes more sense with 'win' in there...
#2945
H
You have such a tragic nonexistence of self awareness
You don't even know how stupid you look
You now claim you knew all the leave camps claim were lies
Well if the leave camp has "thought" leaders like you
The phrase "lions led by donkey"
You don't even know how stupid you look
You now claim you knew all the leave camps claim were lies
Well if the leave camp has "thought" leaders like you
The phrase "lions led by donkey"
#2946
and for the avoidance of ANY doubt I neither seek nor want your respect
I though I had made that pretty clear
all I want
all the posters on this thread (I would imagine) is for you to defend your position
oh, but now you say "i knew all along the leave camp were telling lies"
what utter b0llo0x
and Petem pathetic "they've been mean to me - so I wont answer the question"
I knew you idiots were no more that big manbabys and bullys
I though I had made that pretty clear
all I want
all the posters on this thread (I would imagine) is for you to defend your position
oh, but now you say "i knew all along the leave camp were telling lies"
what utter b0llo0x
and Petem pathetic "they've been mean to me - so I wont answer the question"
I knew you idiots were no more that big manbabys and bullys
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#2947
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and for the avoidance of ANY doubt I neither seek nor want your respect
I though I had made that pretty clear
all I want
all the poster on this thread (I would imagine) is for you to defend you position
oh, but now you say "i knew all along"
what utter b0llo0x
and Petem pathetic "they've been mean to me - so I wont answer the question"
I know you idiots were no more that big manbabys
I though I had made that pretty clear
all I want
all the poster on this thread (I would imagine) is for you to defend you position
oh, but now you say "i knew all along"
what utter b0llo0x
and Petem pathetic "they've been mean to me - so I wont answer the question"
I know you idiots were no more that big manbabys
The alternative is admitting they were lied to and believed the detritus spewed from the leave campaigns collective gob.
Talk about impaled on the horns of dilemma
#2948
We're not out the EU yet anyhow..
#2949
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and for the avoidance of ANY doubt I neither seek nor want your respect
I though I had made that pretty clear
all I want
all the posters on this thread (I would imagine) is for you to defend your position
oh, but now you say "i knew all along the leave camp were telling lies"
what utter b0llo0x
and Petem pathetic "they've been mean to me - so I wont answer the question"
I knew you idiots were no more that big manbabys and bullys
I though I had made that pretty clear
all I want
all the posters on this thread (I would imagine) is for you to defend your position
oh, but now you say "i knew all along the leave camp were telling lies"
what utter b0llo0x
and Petem pathetic "they've been mean to me - so I wont answer the question"
I knew you idiots were no more that big manbabys and bullys
#2950
and for the avoidance of ANY doubt I neither seek nor want your respect
I though I had made that pretty clear
all I want
all the posters on this thread (I would imagine) is for you to defend your position
oh, but now you say "i knew all along the leave camp were telling lies"
what utter b0llo0x
and Petem pathetic "they've been mean to me - so I wont answer the question"
I knew you idiots were no more that big manbabys and bullys
I though I had made that pretty clear
all I want
all the posters on this thread (I would imagine) is for you to defend your position
oh, but now you say "i knew all along the leave camp were telling lies"
what utter b0llo0x
and Petem pathetic "they've been mean to me - so I wont answer the question"
I knew you idiots were no more that big manbabys and bullys
And speaking of bullying, this sort of post fits nicely into that category don't you think?
#2954
As for voting the other way, why would anyone do that? Imagine the world we would live in if people thought like that in business politics, pretty much anything? It would be a disaster! Admitting you are wrong and correcting it is a great human strength, cutting your nose off to spite your face doesn't seem so clever, though.
#2955
#2956
#2958
I really don't follow this logic, as 17 million voters is only a majority of who actually voted. Of course, people who didn't vote shouldn't really complain, perhaps we should be like Australia and make people vote by law, but we are still in a position where 17 million people have dictated the future of a great many more.
As for voting the other way, why would anyone do that? Imagine the world we would live in if people thought like that in business politics, pretty much anything? It would be a disaster! Admitting you are wrong and correcting it is a great human strength, cutting your nose off to spite your face doesn't seem so clever, though.
As for voting the other way, why would anyone do that? Imagine the world we would live in if people thought like that in business politics, pretty much anything? It would be a disaster! Admitting you are wrong and correcting it is a great human strength, cutting your nose off to spite your face doesn't seem so clever, though.
#2959
As for voting the other way, why would anyone do that? Imagine the world we would live in if people thought like that in business politics, pretty much anything? It would be a disaster! Admitting you are wrong and correcting it is a great human strength, cutting your nose off to spite your face doesn't seem so clever, though.
I don't really agree there should be a second referendum, but if there were to be one, then people should accept it and vote for what they believe is best for the country, given what they now know and were too blind to see before (even if it was really f***ing obvious).
Personally, I think the vote is done, the public have had their say, its now up to the government to decide how to proceed in the best interest of the country - be it to ignore the referendum result and remain in the EU or to respect the peoples voice and plunge us deeper into the darkness!
#2960
I really don't follow this logic, as 17 million voters is only a majority of who actually voted. Of course, people who didn't vote shouldn't really complain, perhaps we should be like Australia and make people vote by law, but we are still in a position where 17 million people have dictated the future of a great many more.
As for voting the other way, why would anyone do that? Imagine the world we would live in if people thought like that in business politics, pretty much anything? It would be a disaster! Admitting you are wrong and correcting it is a great human strength, cutting your nose off to spite your face doesn't seem so clever, though.
As for voting the other way, why would anyone do that? Imagine the world we would live in if people thought like that in business politics, pretty much anything? It would be a disaster! Admitting you are wrong and correcting it is a great human strength, cutting your nose off to spite your face doesn't seem so clever, though.
Come on, are you claiming that the entire population must vote before a binding decision can be reached? 17 million of those who could be bothered to participate voted 'out'. 16 million of those who could be bothered to participate voted 'remain'. That's enough for me, and a similar process has decided our governments for many years.
Of course if everyone should stick with their original vote why bother doing it again? It would be the same outcome or have I missed something?
#2961
Yea your right about that we need a plan to negotiate and Cameron is in talks,but said its up to the new prime minister to carry it forward,we don't want drag our feet to long over it.As for the vote some can't accept brexit won.Sturgeon ranting about blocking the brexit,the level of outcry from remainers,the moaning and crying,it's not right,it's not fair.Its becoming like Ireland,voted no first time,oh that's not the right answer so vote again.And if we start getting like this, then what's the point of voting..
We're not out the EU yet anyhow..
We're not out the EU yet anyhow..
#2962
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Come on, are you claiming that the entire population must vote before a binding decision can be reached? 17 million of those who could be bothered to participate voted 'out'. 16 million of those who could be bothered to participate voted 'remain'. That's enough for me, and a similar process has decided our governments for many years.
Of course if everyone should stick with their original vote why bother doing it again? It would be the same outcome or have I missed something?
Of course if everyone should stick with their original vote why bother doing it again? It would be the same outcome or have I missed something?
That's the whole point though isn't it; those who voted out are now discovering they reached that decision on untruths and weren't aware what the EU does\did for the UK...and would vote differently.
I've not heard of one person who voted stay change their mind and wish they had voted leave...
#2963
Well said!
I don't really agree there should be a second referendum, but if there were to be one, then people should accept it and vote for what they believe is best for the country, given what they now know and were too blind to see before (even if it was really f***ing obvious).
Personally, I think the vote is done, the public have had their say, its now up to the government to decide how to proceed in the best interest of the country - be it to ignore the referendum result and remain in the EU or to respect the peoples voice and plunge us deeper into the darkness!
I don't really agree there should be a second referendum, but if there were to be one, then people should accept it and vote for what they believe is best for the country, given what they now know and were too blind to see before (even if it was really f***ing obvious).
Personally, I think the vote is done, the public have had their say, its now up to the government to decide how to proceed in the best interest of the country - be it to ignore the referendum result and remain in the EU or to respect the peoples voice and plunge us deeper into the darkness!
#2964
Come on, are you claiming that the entire population must vote before a binding decision can be reached? 17 million of those who could be bothered to participate voted 'out'. 16 million of those who could be bothered to participate voted 'remain'. That's enough for me, and a similar process has decided our governments for many years.
Of course if everyone should stick with their original vote why bother doing it again? It would be the same outcome or have I missed something?
Of course if everyone should stick with their original vote why bother doing it again? It would be the same outcome or have I missed something?
On the second comment, I don't know a single Remain voter who would change their mind, but I do know of quite a few Leave voters who would vote to remain, as they admit they didn't really think that Leave meant leaving the EU! I never said that everyone should stick with their original vote, rather that your view that you should vote in the opposite way for some sense of whatever is misguided. People should vote whatever way they think would be best, I believe the result would be different the second time round. Even if not, then if it was a resounding result for Leave with a much greater voter turnout, then so be it.
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#2965
Saw this morning, made me chuckle
A British man goes to the Doctors
A British man is ill and goes to the doctors. When he gets there he finds David Cameron sat at reception. "Good news sir!", says Cameron, "Today, we're not letting the doctors decide. We're going to let you pick your own medicine". The British man looks bemused. Isn't that why we have doctors in the first place? To use their expertise to pick the right medicine. Sure, some might occasionally be less good, but you can always ask to see another one.
"Don't worry!", says Cameron, "I know this is probably daunting. So I've got lots of information from lots of medical experts. They're going to tell you all about the nasty side effects of taking the wrong medicine". Just then another man pops up from behind reception - Michael Gove. "I wouldn't trust what all of his experts say" says Gove, "he's just trying to scare you".
The man looks bemused. Can't a doctor just tell him what to take? But both Michael Gove and David Cameron tell him this choice is a really good thing.
There's another man in the doctors. He doesn't appear to have a job there, but he's talking loudly and a lot of people seem to be listening. On closer inspection it's Nigel Farage. "I wouldn't trust some of these medicines, they're foreign!". A few people nod and agree. "Back in Victorian times, we used to prescribe good old fashioned leeches. And we had an empire then!". A few more people nod.
The British man looks confused. How do you make a decision on something so complex that you haven't been trained in? He spots a man rushing in - it's Boris Johnson. Boris has heard that there's a possible vacancy for a doctor. "Don't worry everyone, I can guide you through this!", he says. He does a cheery wave to the people waiting, then starts bumbling on using vocabulary that isn't in the normal vernacular. "He sounds clever", someone says, "and a funny, friendly guy too. I think he just wants to help, that must be why he's here". A lot of people start feeling reassured. They decide to follow the advice of Boris, Nigel and Michael. David Cameron tries to make himself heard, but he's muffled by the piles of paper of expert opinion in front of him. The medicine cabinet is almost buckling under the weight.
Boris starts to look worried. People are now looking at him for guidance. "Erm, yes...what Nigel says....leeches....they'll cure you...won't they?". He looks confused. But he's nearly in the doctors place now. He always wanted that. People take the leeches, but the leeches just start sucking their blood. A few of them start to wonder whether they should have listened to the experts after all. "But Boris, Nigel and Michael, they were only trying to help us, right?", one of them says.
Just then, the medicine cabinet topples over, crushing Cameron. "That's such a shame" say Boris and Michael, "he was a good man. And all he wanted to do was give you a choice. For you. To help you. But we'll help you now.". But people start to get more sick. "The leeches, Nigel. You said they'd make us better, right". "Oh no", says Nigel, "I didn't say that at all. I just said that they used them in the old days. When everything was much better. Anyway, I don't even work here, so it's not my fault if you listened to me. But I'm sure everything will be great". Nigel wanders off, leaving Boris, Michael, a smashed medicine cabinet, some leeches and a lot of sick people.
A British man is ill and goes to the doctors. When he gets there he finds David Cameron sat at reception. "Good news sir!", says Cameron, "Today, we're not letting the doctors decide. We're going to let you pick your own medicine". The British man looks bemused. Isn't that why we have doctors in the first place? To use their expertise to pick the right medicine. Sure, some might occasionally be less good, but you can always ask to see another one.
"Don't worry!", says Cameron, "I know this is probably daunting. So I've got lots of information from lots of medical experts. They're going to tell you all about the nasty side effects of taking the wrong medicine". Just then another man pops up from behind reception - Michael Gove. "I wouldn't trust what all of his experts say" says Gove, "he's just trying to scare you".
The man looks bemused. Can't a doctor just tell him what to take? But both Michael Gove and David Cameron tell him this choice is a really good thing.
There's another man in the doctors. He doesn't appear to have a job there, but he's talking loudly and a lot of people seem to be listening. On closer inspection it's Nigel Farage. "I wouldn't trust some of these medicines, they're foreign!". A few people nod and agree. "Back in Victorian times, we used to prescribe good old fashioned leeches. And we had an empire then!". A few more people nod.
The British man looks confused. How do you make a decision on something so complex that you haven't been trained in? He spots a man rushing in - it's Boris Johnson. Boris has heard that there's a possible vacancy for a doctor. "Don't worry everyone, I can guide you through this!", he says. He does a cheery wave to the people waiting, then starts bumbling on using vocabulary that isn't in the normal vernacular. "He sounds clever", someone says, "and a funny, friendly guy too. I think he just wants to help, that must be why he's here". A lot of people start feeling reassured. They decide to follow the advice of Boris, Nigel and Michael. David Cameron tries to make himself heard, but he's muffled by the piles of paper of expert opinion in front of him. The medicine cabinet is almost buckling under the weight.
Boris starts to look worried. People are now looking at him for guidance. "Erm, yes...what Nigel says....leeches....they'll cure you...won't they?". He looks confused. But he's nearly in the doctors place now. He always wanted that. People take the leeches, but the leeches just start sucking their blood. A few of them start to wonder whether they should have listened to the experts after all. "But Boris, Nigel and Michael, they were only trying to help us, right?", one of them says.
Just then, the medicine cabinet topples over, crushing Cameron. "That's such a shame" say Boris and Michael, "he was a good man. And all he wanted to do was give you a choice. For you. To help you. But we'll help you now.". But people start to get more sick. "The leeches, Nigel. You said they'd make us better, right". "Oh no", says Nigel, "I didn't say that at all. I just said that they used them in the old days. When everything was much better. Anyway, I don't even work here, so it's not my fault if you listened to me. But I'm sure everything will be great". Nigel wanders off, leaving Boris, Michael, a smashed medicine cabinet, some leeches and a lot of sick people.
#2966
That's the whole point though isn't it; those who voted out are now discovering they reached that decision on untruths and weren't aware what the EU does\did for the UK...and would vote differently.
I've not heard of one person who voted stay change their mind and wish they had voted leave...
I've not heard of one person who voted stay change their mind and wish they had voted leave...
Yes but how many goes at this would you advocate if the re-vote was for 'out' again? How do you know that those who voted out would now vote remain? What, all of them? That's pure hearsay and carries no weight at all.
#2967
I heard on the radio this morning that Jeremy Hunt, if he became the next party leader, would advocate a vote on exit terms. This would be part of an election manifesto at the next general election in 2020! As for Sturgeon, she could well make the same mistake Cameron did in calling for another referendum.
New Zealand recently had a referendum to change the national flag. They first shortlisted a number of flags and had a referendum to choose the preferred new flag. They then had a second referendum to ask if they should keep the old flag or change to the new flag agreed in the first referendum. In this case, they chose to keep the old flag, but the point is, they knew which flag they would be getting if they changed.
The same should have been done for Brexit. First have a referendum to decide what the public would prefer if we were to leave, then a second referendum to stay in or accept the new plan! As it is, we voted to leave or for the unknown which was painted as a rosy view of conflicting ideals!
Still, there's nothing we can do about it now!
This is quite an interesting article on the BBC about what was said then and what is being said now from the Leave campaign!
Reality Check: Have Leave campaigners changed their minds?
Immigration
The campaign claim: Immigration levels could be controlled if the UK left the EU. This would relieve pressure on public services.
The current claim: Immigration levels can't be radically reduced by leaving the EU. Fears about immigration did not influence the way people voted.
Contributions to the EU budget
The campaign claim: We send £350m a week to Brussels, which could be spent on the NHS instead.
The current claim: The claim was a mistake, and we will not be able to spend that much extra on the NHS.
The campaign claim: Immigration levels could be controlled if the UK left the EU. This would relieve pressure on public services.
The current claim: Immigration levels can't be radically reduced by leaving the EU. Fears about immigration did not influence the way people voted.
Contributions to the EU budget
The campaign claim: We send £350m a week to Brussels, which could be spent on the NHS instead.
The current claim: The claim was a mistake, and we will not be able to spend that much extra on the NHS.
#2968
I heard on the radio this morning that Jeremy Hunt, if he became the next party leader, would advocate a vote on exit terms. This would be part of an election manifesto at the next general election in 2020! As for Sturgeon, she could well make the same mistake Cameron did in calling for another referendum.
Either two things are going to happen.Article 50 gets going and we start negotiating the exit.
Or something will happen and we remain in,could be the EU may give us a deal and we go for it.
But I think the sticking point is Juncker,he needs to get his head out of his ***...
#2969
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As many times as we need to ensure the people voting can make an educated decision based on fact.
Hearsay, not carrying any weight you say...sounds like the leave campaign; please see previous sentence
#2970