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Old 20 May 2016, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
It isn't anything like 50%, in view of paying the correct duty. How much do you think Turbo Dynamics, Lateral, Scoobyclinic, RCM etc need to mark up to run their businesses?
Have you any experiance of Kinugawa or Arashi Turbos Mr. Jeffery
Old 20 May 2016, 02:14 PM
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I wouldn't fit a kuinguwga to my kangoo van
Old 20 May 2016, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RAGGY DOO
I wouldn't fit a kuinguwga to my kangoo van
Have you any real experience of them or just the same as me going by what you've read ?

Asking a guy who maps and may have fitted them.
Old 20 May 2016, 02:19 PM
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Did a lot research across forums decided on a Garrett
Old 20 May 2016, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RAGGY DOO
Did a lot research across forums decided on a Garrett

But no first hand experience. So it's just an opinion with no proof.
Old 20 May 2016, 02:34 PM
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Do you run one of these turbos ?
Old 20 May 2016, 02:42 PM
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I started tuning turbo cars back in 1977. I was directly involved in a great deal of early development testing and fitted a lot of custom upgrades. I've carried that enterprising spirit forwards.
Occasionally you'll come across something that works really well, so naturally you'll want to do it again, much as you do with an unexpectedly pleasant sexual experience. (Assuming any of you younger members have touched base yet and know what I'm talking about. For reference, for some posters, it's definitely better with at least two people involved.)
You'll also occasionally come across one that you wouldn't touch again with a barge pole. (Also, see above).
We only sell what we can see working on our own dyno. God knows what other people get up to.

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Originally Posted by RAGGY DOO
Did a lot research across forums decided on a Garrett
Out of curiosity only, which one?
Old 20 May 2016, 02:51 PM
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Proof is in the pudding, Car been mapped has been delayed until next week, fingers crossed everything will go OK and we'll try and get it chucked on the dyno to see what power the turbo makes. Apart from that were hoping to be down at POD asap and are scheduled to compete at Wembley in July for the Gymkhana Grid quailifiers in it too. anyone is welcome to come and see it/passenger rides once its up and running.
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Owen version of litchfield lm450 using the lfield exhaust housing and Garrett housing on intake side twin entry
Old 20 May 2016, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RAGGY DOO
Owen version of litchfield lm450 using the lfield exhaust housing and Garrett housing on intake side twin entry
Spec C? just the sort of info we'd need!
Old 20 May 2016, 03:37 PM
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Lol
Old 20 May 2016, 03:52 PM
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That Mamba on MB Developments is based on a GTX35 with ceramic bearings,

Matt just posted on FB.
Old 20 May 2016, 03:55 PM
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You do make me laugh Alan you dirty old man!


I've been using a Kinugawa water pipe & gasket set on my vf48 for the last 6 years with no issues at all. Personally, that's about as far as I'd go with their parts though.
Old 20 May 2016, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BrownPantsRacing
You do make me laugh Alan you dirty old man!


I've been using a Kinugawa water pipe & gasket set on my vf48 for the last 6 years with no issues at all. Personally, that's about as far as I'd go with their parts though.

Yea but are there any mappers or guys who actually build/balance turbos who can give their opinion,

Would like to hear if anyone has real experience of either Kinugawa or Arashi.

For the price of them and if its based on a GT30 why not buy new Kinugawa say £650 then send away to A turbo specialist for Better Bearings Billet Wheel, say the parts from more expensive brand.

Still be cheaper than brand new Blouch/SC/MDX etc.

Whats the thoughts on this ?
Of course it's a hassle but would it be worth it ??
Old 20 May 2016, 05:59 PM
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some good info, thanks to all who've posted.

From doing some googling Im lead to believe the kinugawa stuff also uses a decent core, and their bolt/hose kits are rebranded garrett, cant find much on the arashi stuff tho.

Based on it being a choice of modifying the car or the missus getting a conservatory she's been harping on about for 2 years I may spend the extra and get something reputable, downside being there seems to be a lack of tuners/suppliers you can talk to face to face up here (north lincs). Any recommendations for people like me on the east coast?
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Originally Posted by rickybobby
some good info, thanks to all who've posted.

From doing some googling Im lead to believe the kinugawa stuff also uses a decent core, and their bolt/hose kits are rebranded garrett, cant find much on the arashi stuff tho.

Based on it being a choice of modifying the car or the missus getting a conservatory she's been harping on about for 2 years I may spend the extra and get something reputable, downside being there seems to be a lack of tuners/suppliers you can talk to face to face up here (north lincs). Any recommendations for people like me on the east coast?
Kinugawa and arashi both use good cores aswell.
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Originally Posted by BrownPantsRacing
You do make me laugh Alan you dirty old man!


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What do you mean "Old"?
Old 20 May 2016, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
2.1 with AVCS, otherwise stock engine. RCM headers, 740cc injectors, Alcatek ECU mapped by Martyn.
GTX 3076R 84 trim .49 housing.

Yes, these turbos make 450 bhp..
Which part of the engine is standard, Alan? The valve train in the newage heads?
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Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery

2.1 with AVCS, otherwise stock engine. RCM headers, 740cc injectors, Alcatek ECU mapped by Martyn.
GTX 3076R 84 trim .49 housing.

Yes, these turbos make 450 bhp..

something like this?, if so, I wonder what It would be like on a 2L

https://shop.mambatek.com/MAMBA-Bolt...9-002-0070.htm
Old 20 May 2016, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mickywrx
Which part of the engine is standard, Alan? The valve train in the newage heads?
I'm talking about power improvements. Cam profile and lift, head porting, valve type and size. It isn't much good discussing output unless you state these things.
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Originally Posted by Ian
something like this?, if so, I wonder what It would be like on a 2L

https://shop.mambatek.com/MAMBA-Bolt...9-002-0070.htm
Power is of course primarily in the heads and torque is primarily in the stroke, given the same turbo and boost. In other words, not that much, but enough that you'd prefer a 2.1.
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Sorry to revive an old thread, but thought it was best to post here than start a new one as it's related..
Been looking at the mamba compressor wheel and Compressor housing for fitment on a vf23 (although it states it will fit 22 and 28 aswell - rhf5hb) for £150 and wondering if it's worth the cash!? Or going to make more power?
Its a 18G 11 Blade Billet Wheel with a extended tapered tip and custom housing to fit..
Obviously I would be using my own original ihi vf CHRA which has the p20 exhaust housing and would need it balancing after (suggestions on where to go and prices for this would be appreciated )
For reference I have a turbo 2000 Version 6, with 565cc top feed injectors, parallel fuel rail with FPR, 255lph fuel pump, equal length manifold, matched up pipe (2 inch) to ported p20 housing, 3" bell mouth decat to 2.5 straight through, 3port perrin boost controller, fmic, Samco inlet hose, 12mm modified oil pump, external oil cooler w/ thermastat)
Cheers for any input!
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I have one of there gt3071r twinscroll turbos and made 432 bhp @ 1.5 bar, it's still going strong so nothing wrong with there parts or turbos. And they don't cost the earth.
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Originally Posted by turbotog
Sorry to revive an old thread, but thought it was best to post here than start a new one as it's related..
Been looking at the mamba compressor wheel and Compressor housing for fitment on a vf23 (although it states it will fit 22 and 28 aswell - rhf5hb) for £150 and wondering if it's worth the cash!? Or going to make more power?
Its a 18G 11 Blade Billet Wheel with a extended tapered tip and custom housing to fit..
Obviously I would be using my own original ihi vf CHRA which has the p20 exhaust housing and would need it balancing after (suggestions on where to go and prices for this would be appreciated )
For reference I have a turbo 2000 Version 6, with 565cc top feed injectors, parallel fuel rail with FPR, 255lph fuel pump, equal length manifold, matched up pipe (2 inch) to ported p20 housing, 3" bell mouth decat to 2.5 straight through, 3port perrin boost controller, fmic, Samco inlet hose, 12mm modified oil pump, external oil cooler w/ thermastat)
Cheers for any input!
Guy Craig Bellworthy on a few of the Facebook groups is well known for Turbo rebuilds
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I'm somewhere around 500ish on the gtx35 now at 1bar but fouled plugs stopped any more and with the avcs disconnected due to fault.
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Originally Posted by turbotog
Sorry to revive an old thread, but thought it was best to post here than start a new one as it's related..
Been looking at the mamba compressor wheel and Compressor housing for fitment on a vf23 (although it states it will fit 22 and 28 aswell - rhf5hb) for £150 and wondering if it's worth the cash!? Or going to make more power?
Its a 18G 11 Blade Billet Wheel with a extended tapered tip and custom housing to fit..
Obviously I would be using my own original ihi vf CHRA which has the p20 exhaust housing and would need it balancing after (suggestions on where to go and prices for this would be appreciated )
For reference I have a turbo 2000 Version 6, with 565cc top feed injectors, parallel fuel rail with FPR, 255lph fuel pump, equal length manifold, matched up pipe (2 inch) to ported p20 housing, 3" bell mouth decat to 2.5 straight through, 3port perrin boost controller, fmic, Samco inlet hose, 12mm modified oil pump, external oil cooler w/ thermastat)
Cheers for any input!
VF23 is a pre-historic turbo thats been superceded by several newer versions. Craig Bellworthy uses them as door stops, pointless rebuilding/spending money on. Buy a VF34, and stop wasting money on pointless mods.
Are you running all that spec on a uk2000 engine and gearbox? if so, massively over spec'd and a lot of unecessary mods there for a vf23 or whatever turbo, especially the equal length manifold. Does it actually run? Top feeds on a uk2000 again are over kill, but then you've strangled it using a 2.5" exhaust system??
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2.5" system will run up to 400bhp
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I'm running 435 on a mamba gt3076r at 1.5bar. Crap intercooler and wastegate issue stopped play.
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Hi thanks for the replies guys!
Ian - good to hear! I'd really like to know if anyone thinks the compressor upgrade would actually increase power or ensure the power delivered would be more reliable and less strain on my turbo atm!
Smurfy - thanks I'll send him a message and see what he thinks!
Birchy - I'd be happy with 500hp at 1 bar! Haha- one day ; ). Hopefully you'll get your plugs and avcs sorted and get a bit more keep us updated!
Tyrer99 - I've followed the advice given on BRD and AFP websites.. 2.5 is good for 400 as banny said and equal length manifold is recommended upto 400hp, after that it's back to unequal length also I will be tracking car so I've done loads of safety mods to address known issues (eg. Sticky oil pump valve, pressure drop on std rails at cyl3, I have a baffled sump and also competition headgaskets. I want about 350hp for now. Top feed aren't at all over kill.. 440cc run out about 310/320.. so I've got the next size up.. and went top feed as it was cheaper than getting some (decent) 550cc side feed
Future plans will include forging either a 2.5 or 3.3 ..
I know the gearbox will die (rated to 280 I think) .. but not worrying here.. will be going close ratio when possible - I have huge plans for this car and the turbo2000 works as a fine base for my needs (by time I'm dome there won't be any sti parts on it so no point paying more for an sti when I have a good example already ).. The 23 is an old turbo, but should be sufficent for my current requirements. I Will be going with the likes of precision turbo in the future. I picked the 23 over the 22 as it has quicker spool and I got a good price. Also I've seen vf23 mapped to 352 hp and the mighty 22b (quickest accelerating std subaru until the hatch cossie (?) Ran the 23.. anyway I assume you don't think the turbo will make any more power with the upgraded compressor and wheel?
Veerinder - what intercooler you got btw?! You running an external or internal waste gate? !
Thanks for your input guys! Always good to see what people think


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