Originally Posted by fat-thomas

asi posted this in the incorrect bit earlier ill try again.

i dont get what the actual full price has got to do with it as most people just rent them anyway and never actually pay the whole amount.

so surely its how much a month it costs,i have never been in a new impreza while its moving but i have been in a golf r and the dsg box and in car tech is streets ahead of the subaru and id say the s3 is very similar tech wise and has the same dsg box.

dsg is the future.

Originally Posted by scoobyboy1

Exactly So who is the new STi's competition??? Who are Subaru trying to entice with there new STi model?? its not the Evo anymore as they dont make them, So its the Audi S3/Golf R/Focus RS brigade, unfortunately id have any of those over the new STi!!

Originally Posted by fat-thomas

so would 99% of people.

i can only think those who dont like dsg have never actually used it as the latest versions are amazingly quick.

im the same as you regarding the current stis it just does nothing for me and i love subarus the only thing i can say is its better than the hatch but so is bird flu.

they need to invest in new technology before they die out in the uk altogether which really would be a shame. i dont care what anyone says the 2.5 is crap and the problems havent been rectified.

Originally Posted by scoobyboy1

But Japan get a good car from the factory and what most enthusiasts want(that engine for a start), So why cant we have that car, and not what Subaru UK think we want, and that 2.5 not like its a economical engine its road tax puts it in in the same bracket as Nissan GTR, Range Rovers etc, so wouldn't the 2.0litre be more economical to get through emissions so they could sell it over here??

Subaru UK must look and see that sales since the blobeye on there WRX/STi models have dropped dramatically!! I dont know anyone who really wants a new STi, but 10-12 years ago the Impreza STi was the car everyone wanted.

I just hope one day they bring a new STi out that has a strong 2.0litre engine, with paddle shift gears, and running 350bhp standard, but I cant see that happening this century!!

Originally Posted by scoobyboy1

Yes its more expensive, but the OP choice is the Audi S3 saloon and the new STi he hasn't mentioned price unless I missed it.

S3/Golf R dull to drive??? having owned one I wouldn't say its dull to drive, it just does everything well, there is no effort in driving it fast, and with the DSG box its smooth and you dont realise how fast your going until you look at the speedo, if by meaning the car doesn't give you that drama(like a classic STi) then yes I guess its dull, but most cars are going this way now.

bioforger I dont want to seem like im knocking the new STi as you have a lovely example(and I do like the look of them), but im just echoing what other Subaru enthusiast on here feel about the new STi, and after owning 8 Impreza's over the last 12 years its just how I feel about the current model, I wish that Subaru UK would give us what we want, and I would happy to buy a brand new Subaru STi, but until then, I'll drive something else!!!

Originally Posted by bioforger

I hate DSG's, yes they are super quick/efficient, bla bla, but no more heel n toe and rev matching ftw

Originally Posted by fat-thomas

asi posted this in the incorrect bit earlier ill try again.

i dont get what the actual full price has got to do with it as most people just rent them anyway and never actually pay the whole amount.

so surely its how much a month it costs,i have never been in a new impreza while its moving but i have been in a golf r and the dsg box and in car tech is streets ahead of the subaru and id say the s3 is very similar tech wise and has the same dsg box.

dsg is the future.

Originally Posted by fat-thomas

the latest ones blip on downshift etc to rev match.

you are stuck in the past,a bit like subaru really.

if the new sti had dsg and decent tech plus jdm engines it would sell like hot cakes.

Originally Posted by bioforger

True, but obviously the higher the value of the car the higher the monthly repayments will be, which is the 1st thing you would consider. And if you rent one, you can't really mod it usually. To be honest when i tested my STi for the 1st time, i thought this is way too slow, but the remap sorted that out. Yes a manual will never be as quick or efficient as a DSG car, but the STi outhandles the likes of a Golf R and/or its very similar in performance overall in real life situations.

Originally Posted by bioforger

I know, some do some don't. The 2011 S3 doesn't, which i was comparing to as my oldman has one.

DSG, nah not for me, i'm out.

Originally Posted by scoobyboy1

But Japan get a good car from the factory and what most enthusiasts want(that engine for a start), So why cant we have that car, and not what Subaru UK think we want, and that 2.5 not like its a economical engine its road tax puts it in in the same bracket as Nissan GTR, Range Rovers etc, so wouldn't the 2.0litre be more economical to get through emissions so they could sell it over here??

I just hope one day they bring a new STi out that has a strong 2.0litre engine, with paddle shift gears, and running 350bhp standard, but I cant see that happening this century!!

Originally Posted by fat-thomas

i think this is the older version of dsg, the newer ones have hill start etc so it sits uphill like an auto and makes them easier to park.

the only gripe i have is the paddles being attached to the wheel which makes it awkward to change if turning.

Originally Posted by lunar tick

What's bizarre is that the FA20 engine has already shown itself to have potential as an immensely strong and reliable engine - as evidenced by a number of US tuners. Seems strange that Subaru couldn't develop a clean, turbo version for the European market

Originally Posted by bioforger

Well apart from the weak rods

Originally Posted by scoobyboy1

Exactly So who is the new STi's competition??? Who are Subaru trying to entice with there new STi model?? its not the Evo anymore as they dont make them, So its the Audi S3/Golf R/Focus RS brigade, unfortunately id have any of those over the new STi!!

Originally Posted by neil-h

That's easy, they're trying to entice existing Impreza owners.

Originally Posted by lunar tick

What's bizarre is that the FA20 engine has already shown itself to have potential as an immensely strong and reliable engine - as evidenced by a number of US tuners. Seems strange that Subaru couldn't develop a clean, turbo version for the European market

Originally Posted by bioforger

Well apart from the weak rods

Originally Posted by brianrb5

Well, drove the S3 today.......

I'm torn. I can't criticise the S3 in any way. The interior is second to none, the build quality is awesome (as you'd expect), it's quick, responsive and well planted. But I left underwhelmed... I can't put my finger on why but as a couple have mentioned, it's so good at what it does it's just not as engaging....

Must admit to leaning toward the S3 simply because I drive 25k miles a year and have to live with it daily, but it lacks the purposeful stance and presence we all love about the scooby...

Decisions decisions...

Originally Posted by RS_Matt

I'm quite amazed how ugly the new model is without a boot spoiler.