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Old 21 August 2016, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbohot
I agree.

This has just reminded me of an animal cruelty place called the Tiger World in Thailand. They have a large number of IndoChinese big cats so tamed and docile that the tourists pay enough to go in and pictures done with ten footer massive tigers or the tiger cubs. We went because we like cats and we wanted to judge for ourselves whether those tigers were really as tame or else. We chose 4 month old baby tiger twins to play with. Although the cubs were really tired and least reactionary, due to the heat we were told, we were very cautious of them. We stroked them, rubbed their tummy etc. and they responded to that like our domestics cats do. However, we knew that one slap, even with affection, from one of them could disfigure or disable us forever. It went fine, but the daughter was convinced that all the tigers big or small in that place were either drugged or so harshly abused by their human enslavers that they now act so very timid towards all interfering human strangers; so contrary to their natural instinct. How, an animal that is solitary by nature and wanders off at least 40 miles away from its pad to start off a new territory of its own could be constrained in the cages and get stroked/get its tail held/some macho human stranger lying on top of it was beyond comprehension. I mean, hundreds of human strangers on daily basis interfere with their peace and enjoy their confined and unnatural state of being. Yes, sadly we were among such, but for the very last time. We went because we weren't sure of the organisation's marketing tactics with the promise that all their big cats live in a larger than life paradise like enclosure where they walk about free and get treated like princesses. Bull£h1t it was, as they were all cramped in the cages. Good job we went and got to see the reality with our own eyes.

Same goes for the elephants who get ridden by the tourists for fun. Some of them even do shows, play harmonica etc. (how undignified for the animal) and then get lined up to beg food from the tourists. I feel so sorry for such elephants.

They've had occasional incidents in that Thai Tiger World, but so far not bad enough to be shut down. I really think that it's a matter of time and one of these days, some grinning macho tourist lying on the floor with a massive, resting tiger for a boastful picture opportunity would get seriously slaughtered by the predator. We also thought that what if one day, some ranger forgets to unlock the place? Whole Phuket will be in trouble, then.

Actually, when I was talking pictures of other tigers in that place, one massive tiger took a position to pounce on me from his cage. He had five other tigers in the same cage with him. His eyes went all bright as if he was about to take off! The cages was only the wired ones, not the ones with firm metal bars. At that, I was taken over with fright for my life and was about give a 'fight' response from that spot when luckily, our very patient taxi driver called us out of that place at the very moment. Lord, I'll never forget that moment! Those eyes going all very bright and him in a perfect position to launch! Perhaps he wouldn't have been able to break out of that precarious looking cage but I'm still so very grateful to the Almighty that I'm still alive.

A day after our visit to the Tiger World, we read on the Internet about this happening in China:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-woman-8483279

Holy sheet!


Anyway, apologies for going on and on in this post about the cats on a thread about dogs.




Nice kitty .....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-death-5831299
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This has to be one of the worst attacks, even though it was a burgular.
Warning very graphic.

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If that was a burglar then surely it was defence not attack.. no sympathy for someone who tries to take from others.
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Originally Posted by Paben
No, you're the genuinely stupid one for thinking that you could stop that powerful dog if it suddenly turned on that child. How long do you think it would take the dog to rip pieces out of his face or even kill him; 2 minutes or 2 seconds? However, if you think it's ok to run this sort of risk then good luck to you and him.

As for ***** and chains I wouldn't have any dog in the house around children, let alone a big one. And I'm sure the same claims that you're making have been made by many people who have then had a child or themselves savaged by the family pet.

You may not be aware that over 7,000 people annually are hospitalised by dogs in the UK alone? That statistic should be enough to have you exercising a lot more caution.
I'll agree to disagree.
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Originally Posted by dpb
How very unfortunate and so horrific!

In both China and SA incidents, sadly, irresponsible human action is to blame. Kitty's action cannot be classed as totally unexpected. After all, a kitty is a kitty by nature. It can only be as 'nice' as it can be.
Old 22 August 2016, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Paben
No, you're the genuinely stupid one for thinking that you could stop that powerful dog if it suddenly turned on that child. How long do you think it would take the dog to rip pieces out of his face or even kill him; 2 minutes or 2 seconds? However, if you think it's ok to run this sort of risk then good luck to you and him.

As for ***** and chains I wouldn't have any dog in the house around children, let alone a big one. And I'm sure the same claims that you're making have been made by many people who have then had a child or themselves savaged by the family pet.

You may not be aware that over 7,000 people annually are hospitalised by dogs in the UK alone? That statistic should be enough to have you exercising a lot more caution.
Oh dear, how silly you look.
Old 22 August 2016, 09:45 AM
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Got to be far more likely to be killed by a rouge human than a rouge animal in the UK at least,

If this your biggest worry in life then such a great life you have

1st world problems yo !!
Old 22 August 2016, 10:11 AM
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I'm on Smurf's and Peedee's sides for this one.


The benign nature of any "domesticated" animal is greatly influenced by the environment that is has been brought up in paired with it's interaction with people and other animals.


However, I've seen the nicest and sweetest natured animals flip out when triggered, and it's not always easy to predict when or why it will happen. Best example of this would be me walking my large GSD on a lead (harmless dog, would only lick you to death) and he flipped out when a dog not a lead came barking and sprinting towards me. Not sure if he thought I was going to get attacked and he was protecting me, I only just managed to stop him mauling this other mutt. I was shocked, in the 5 years I've had him never seen him behave like it.


Any animal has an idle malignant streak, it just comes down to how buried the trigger is.


You can't "blame" any animal for acting like an animal because..... it's an animal.


You have to cast the blame to the owner, who hasn't properly analysed the risk of keeping an animal that can cause harm to others. The penalty for this though is something that seems to have a lot of discussion at the moment.
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Would also be interesting to see how many people where saved by dogs, must be plenty of cases where the attacker flees when he hears or sees a dog,

This breed is banned in UK

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Originally Posted by stilover
Oh dear, how silly you look.

More than 200,000 people a year are estimated to be bitten by dogs in England, with the annual cost to the NHS of treating injuries about £3 million.

Hospital admissions due to dog bites have been steadily rising for the last five years as the following statistics from the Health and Social Care Information Centre show:

2007-08: 4,611 hospital admissions

2008-09: 5,221 hospital admissions

2009-10: 5,837 hospital admissions

2010-11: 6,005 hospital admissions

2011-12: 6,580 hospital admissions

2012-13: 6,302 hospital admissions

This figure exceeds 7,000 in 2015


'Recent deaths caused by dogs have included:


Jade Anderson, 14 – Jade suffered horrific injuries “from head to toe” after being attacked by two bull mastiffs and two Staffordshire bull terriers while alone at a friend’s house in Wigan, Greater Manchester, in March 2013.

No prosecution could be brought under the DDA at the time because the dogs were not banned breeds and were not out of control in a public place.

Clifford Clarke, 79 – Clarke was attacked in his garden in Clubmoor, Liverpool by his next-door neighbour’s Presa Canario crossbreed dog, which had not been fed for 45 hours, in May 2013.

Sentencing Clarke’s neighbours – Hayley Sulley, 30, and Della Woods, 29 – to a year each in jail, Judge Mark Brown said Clarke’ was “literally eaten alive”.

Lexi Branson, 4 – Lexi was mauled by her family’s pet bulldog at her mother’s flat in Mountsorrel, Leicestershire in November 2013.

Her mother, Jodi Hudson, was forced to stab the rescue dog, which had been with the family for just two months, with a kitchen knife in an attempt to save her daughter and halt the sustained attack.

Emma Bennett, 27 – Bennett was pregnant when attacked by the family’s two pitbull-type dogs at her home in Leeds in December 2013. She suffered severe injuries to her face and head.

Her partner, Lee Horner, 34, was given a community order and told to do 280 hours of unpaid work after admitting that he owned dogs prohibited by the DDA.

Eliza-Mae Mullane, 6 days – Eliza was killed when she was snatched from her pram by her family’s pet dog at their home in Pontyberem, near Llanelli in south Wales in February last year and suffered serious head injuries.

The family had two dogs – a husky-like Alaskan malamute and a terrier – but it was not disclosed which was responsible. Neither had caused any problems previously and a coroner judged the death to be an accident.'

Perhaps you are the one who looks bloody silly.
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DEATH PENALT END OF DISCUSSION.... CASE CLOSED RANT OVER....
Old 22 August 2016, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Paben
More than 200,000 people a year are estimated to be bitten by dogs in England, with the annual cost to the NHS of treating injuries about £3 million.

Hospital admissions due to dog bites have been steadily rising for the last five years as the following statistics from the Health and Social Care Information Centre show:

2007-08: 4,611 hospital admissions

2008-09: 5,221 hospital admissions

2009-10: 5,837 hospital admissions

2010-11: 6,005 hospital admissions

2011-12: 6,580 hospital admissions

2012-13: 6,302 hospital admissions

This figure exceeds 7,000 in 2015


'Recent deaths caused by dogs have included:


Jade Anderson, 14 – Jade suffered horrific injuries “from head to toe” after being attacked by two bull mastiffs and two Staffordshire bull terriers while alone at a friend’s house in Wigan, Greater Manchester, in March 2013.

No prosecution could be brought under the DDA at the time because the dogs were not banned breeds and were not out of control in a public place.

Clifford Clarke, 79 – Clarke was attacked in his garden in Clubmoor, Liverpool by his next-door neighbour’s Presa Canario crossbreed dog, which had not been fed for 45 hours, in May 2013.

Sentencing Clarke’s neighbours – Hayley Sulley, 30, and Della Woods, 29 – to a year each in jail, Judge Mark Brown said Clarke’ was “literally eaten alive”.

Lexi Branson, 4 – Lexi was mauled by her family’s pet bulldog at her mother’s flat in Mountsorrel, Leicestershire in November 2013.

Her mother, Jodi Hudson, was forced to stab the rescue dog, which had been with the family for just two months, with a kitchen knife in an attempt to save her daughter and halt the sustained attack.

Emma Bennett, 27 – Bennett was pregnant when attacked by the family’s two pitbull-type dogs at her home in Leeds in December 2013. She suffered severe injuries to her face and head.

Her partner, Lee Horner, 34, was given a community order and told to do 280 hours of unpaid work after admitting that he owned dogs prohibited by the DDA.

Eliza-Mae Mullane, 6 days – Eliza was killed when she was snatched from her pram by her family’s pet dog at their home in Pontyberem, near Llanelli in south Wales in February last year and suffered serious head injuries.

The family had two dogs – a husky-like Alaskan malamute and a terrier – but it was not disclosed which was responsible. Neither had caused any problems previously and a coroner judged the death to be an accident.'

Perhaps you are the one who looks bloody silly.
Again more folk prob choke on their dinner,

Also willing to bet more kids are harmed from messed up parents than dogs so if protecting kids is your priority, there are far worse predators than dogs.

What about cars they kill kids, Do we sentence a driver who's accident kills another to the Death Penalty ?
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Originally Posted by ZANY
DEATH PENALT END OF DISCUSSION.... CASE CLOSED RANT OVER....
What a load of nonsense.
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Originally Posted by urban
What a load of nonsense.
And what isn't sir??
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Originally Posted by ZANY
And what isn't sir??
Its the 21st century, and we do not have any death penalty laws in the UK, and are very unlike to ever have.

Now a good stiff jail sentence, for owners of banned dogs which have attacked someone/something would be more appropriate, together with the dog being immediately destroyed.
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
Again more folk prob choke on their dinner,
That may or may not be true, but what's undeniable is that people have to eat to stay alive. The same clearly can't be said of owning a dog, so your argument is pretty pointless.

Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
Also willing to bet more kids are harmed from messed up parents than dogs so if protecting kids is your priority, there are far worse predators than dogs.
Ditto the above, it's impossible to bring kids into the world without there being parents, so this is just another pointless argument.

Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
What about cars they kill kids, Do we sentence a driver who's accident kills another to the Death Penalty ?
Drivers can and do get sentenced to double-digit stays in prison, if the standard of their driving is found to be far enough below what's acceptable when they kill someone at the controls of their vehicle. If you'd be happy for the same to apply to dog owners whose standard of supervision of their animals falls to a similarly low level, then I would imagine there won't be a lot left to argue about for 99% of the people involved in this thread.
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Originally Posted by markjmd
That may or may not be true, but what's undeniable is that people have to eat to stay alive. The same clearly can't be said of owning a dog, so your argument is pretty pointless.


Ditto the above, it's impossible to bring kids into the world without there being parents, so this is just another pointless argument.


Drivers can and do get sentenced to double-digit stays in prison, if the standard of their driving is found to be far enough below what's acceptable when they kill someone at the controls of their vehicle. If you'd be happy for the same to apply to dog owners whose standard of supervision of their a
nimals falls to a similarly low level, then I would imagine there won't be a lot left to argue about for 99% of the people involved in this thread.

Points is can't wrap everyone in cotton wool,


Again maybe focus on the poor parenting first which has a far worse effect on society,

Fact is Drivers don't get sentenced to death whether accident or deliberate

Also, at the end of the day we don't have death penalty here in UK and doubt we will anytime soon so chat as much hypothetical bullshtt as you like,
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Originally Posted by urban
Its the 21st century, and we do not have any death penalty laws in the UK, and are very unlike to ever have.

Now a good stiff jail sentence, for owners of banned dogs which have attacked someone/something would be more appropriate, together with the dog being immediately destroyed.
Very well said sir and it would be a good deterrent but jails in the 21st century in England are a joke! Not strict enough... When I was in jail there were wind up radios table and 2chairs in the cell no electric neither... Nowadays you've got Internet phone access and all sorts
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
Again more folk prob choke on their dinner,

Also willing to bet more kids are harmed from messed up parents than dogs so if protecting kids is your priority, there are far worse predators than dogs.

What about cars they kill kids, Do we sentence a driver who's accident kills another to the Death Penalty ?

So you're suggesting it's unreasonable to control dogs around children just because there are other ways they can come to harm? But presumably protecting children is your priority too or do you consider dogs to be more important than children?

Perhaps we should apply the same logic in the USA when there's another massacre and they try to control guns: 'Well there are lots of other ways you can get killed so why ban guns?' It's a poor argument.
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Originally Posted by Paben
So you're suggesting it's unreasonable to control dogs around children just because there are other ways they can come to harm? But presumably protecting children is your priority too or do you consider dogs to be more important than children?

Perhaps we should apply the same logic in the USA when there's another massacre and they try to control guns: 'Well there are lots of other ways you can get killed so why ban guns?' It's a poor argument.
Try controlling your children around dogs or anywhere else,

Guns don't kill people,

People Kill People
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Dogs are awesome creatures. I personally love dogs, and cats. And I have both.

Dogs will never be banned from public, they serve a purpose. Much more than just a pet for some people. In our family, our boxer dog is part of our family.

Lets not forget the other roles that dogs perform, widely used in the Police Force, the Military, Search & Rescue and of course as guide dogs to name a few.

There are issues with dog owners who have no clue, or do not care. I think the way to combat this is to license dog owners and ultimately dog breeders.

And I also agree that doggy DNA should be taken to try and control the dog waste issues in public areas.

Remember, its a minority of dogs owners that put other, sensible and responsible owners in bad light.
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Originally Posted by DoZZa
...our boxer dog is part of our family.
"What doing?"

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Originally Posted by joz8968
"What doing?"

Whatever shes told to do! Shes a good dog.
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Originally Posted by ZANY
jails in the 21st century in England are a joke! Not strict enough
Totally agree, I've said for years that prisoners should be put to work.
Make them clean up the litter off the streets, clear leaves from Drains in Autumn etc in a big chain gang.

Anyway, I digress, back to bad dogs.

Actually maybe some of these bad dogs can go out and supervise the chain gangs incase one tries to flee

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Originally Posted by DoZZa
Whatever shes told to do! Shes a good dog.

Better watch incase it attacks and eats your entire family while your asleep, these killer animals called "Dogs" can turn at any minute,

Be afraid, be very afraid
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Originally Posted by urban
Totally agree, I've said for years that prisoners should be put to work.
Make them clean up the litter off the streets, clear leaves from Drains in Autumn etc in a big chain gang.
Fact is in 21st century Britain you can't really make anyone do anything
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Originally Posted by Paben
More than 200,000 people a year are estimated to be bitten by dogs in England, with the annual cost to the NHS of treating injuries about £3 million.

Hospital admissions due to dog bites have been steadily rising for the last five years as the following statistics from the Health and Social Care Information Centre show:

2007-08: 4,611 hospital admissions

2008-09: 5,221 hospital admissions

2009-10: 5,837 hospital admissions

2010-11: 6,005 hospital admissions

2011-12: 6,580 hospital admissions

2012-13: 6,302 hospital admissions

This figure exceeds 7,000 in 2015


'Recent deaths caused by dogs have included:


Jade Anderson, 14 – Jade suffered horrific injuries “from head to toe” after being attacked by two bull mastiffs and two Staffordshire bull terriers while alone at a friend’s house in Wigan, Greater Manchester, in March 2013.

No prosecution could be brought under the DDA at the time because the dogs were not banned breeds and were not out of control in a public place.

Clifford Clarke, 79 – Clarke was attacked in his garden in Clubmoor, Liverpool by his next-door neighbour’s Presa Canario crossbreed dog, which had not been fed for 45 hours, in May 2013.

Sentencing Clarke’s neighbours – Hayley Sulley, 30, and Della Woods, 29 – to a year each in jail, Judge Mark Brown said Clarke’ was “literally eaten alive”.

Lexi Branson, 4 – Lexi was mauled by her family’s pet bulldog at her mother’s flat in Mountsorrel, Leicestershire in November 2013.

Her mother, Jodi Hudson, was forced to stab the rescue dog, which had been with the family for just two months, with a kitchen knife in an attempt to save her daughter and halt the sustained attack.

Emma Bennett, 27 – Bennett was pregnant when attacked by the family’s two pitbull-type dogs at her home in Leeds in December 2013. She suffered severe injuries to her face and head.

Her partner, Lee Horner, 34, was given a community order and told to do 280 hours of unpaid work after admitting that he owned dogs prohibited by the DDA.

Eliza-Mae Mullane, 6 days – Eliza was killed when she was snatched from her pram by her family’s pet dog at their home in Pontyberem, near Llanelli in south Wales in February last year and suffered serious head injuries.

The family had two dogs – a husky-like Alaskan malamute and a terrier – but it was not disclosed which was responsible. Neither had caused any problems previously and a coroner judged the death to be an accident.'

Perhaps you are the one who looks bloody silly.

There are 200,000 injuries annually caused by DIY in the uk

There were 1732 road deaths and a total of 186,209 casualties of all severities caused by road accidents in 2015.

Top trumped you. Lets ban DIY and cars.
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
Better watch incase it attacks and eats your entire family while your asleep, these killer animals called "Dogs" can turn at any minute,

Be afraid, be very afraid
She wouldn't hurt a fly, not in her nature. Softest boxer dog I've ever known.

Besides, have you seen a boxer dogs skull, they are all gums and no teeth!
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Originally Posted by stilover
There are 200,000 injuries annually caused by DIY in the uk

There were 1732 road deaths and a total of 186,209 casualties of all severities caused by road accidents in 2015.

Top trumped you. Lets ban DIY and cars.



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Originally Posted by DoZZa
She wouldn't hurt a fly, not in her nature. Softest boxer dog I've ever known.

Besides, have you seen a boxer dogs skull, they are all gums and no teeth!
It'll gum you to death then, even more scary.


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