Paben

iTrader: (5)

I'll take a strong police force any day over the weedy police service that it's become, where police can be spat on, insulted or totally ignored almost with impunity. I'd welcome a return to the old system where those that pushed their luck too far risked falling down the cell steps a few times while in police custody. Perhaps the SPG should be resurrected too.

legb4rsk

Yes,that's called appropriate force.Great when your dealing with dangerous,hardened criminals.Not so you can smash up someones car when you have stopped them & asked for identification.

jonc

Don't misquote me out of context, quote the whole sentence.

jonc

"I would have suggested that after several pleas, the rear door would have been the better option to go for rather than the windscreen.

I do agree that it wasn't handled well and the driver should have been told in no uncertain terms that force will be used to effect an arrest and to gain entry to the car in order to do so."

jonc

Advocating legalised thuggery in our Police Force would make the Police no better than criminals if they started assaulting people with no accountability. Where would you draw the line if you think it's acceptable for the Police to potentially hospitalise someone? The Police are suppose to up hold a certain level of integrity as an example to us all, are they not?

hodgy0_2

You've just described the West Midlands serious crime squad

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West...us_Crime_Squad

Felix.

And if the driver still does not comply.....

hodgy0_2

you seem to be confused

let me explain

no one is arguing that the police aren't allowed to perform the job within the confines of the law (apart from some who seem to think a quick "duff up" in the cells is acceptable)


just simply that they go about it in a professional manner without going bat **** crazy


if you think the policeman's behaviour is acceptable - that's your prerogative

Paben

iTrader: (5)

The problem lies with the law itself, which works well enough when dealing with the criminal fraternity. Unfortunately it has rendered the police almost impotent when trying to handle disruptive 'street' behaviour like the incident cited here.
Fearing accusations of police brutality or over reaction officers dare do almost nothing when faced with drunken abuse or refusals to comply with lawful requests. Is it too much to require respect for those at the sharp end? It seems it is.
This has led to multiple incidents of ignorant and totally unacceptable behaviour towards the police, sickening examples being the usual Friday and Saturday night bedlam in most town centres. These have become virtual no-go areas for law abiding citizens and the offenders know they can get away with their foul behaviour because even if arrested the courts take little or no action against them.
It's little wonder that UK police forces are experiencing a worrying level of resignations and low recruitment. Who would want to be exposed to the abuse the police are forced to suffer, with little support from the courts, police bosses and, sadly, a large percentage of the public. The slightest mistake in procedure and the police service comes down heavily on an officer and the subsequent investigation can take months.
Back in the day the fear of an off-piste walloping kept most of the street hard men in line. I am sure I am not the only one who would welcome seeing the street scum getting a well deserved hammering to put them in their place. I am equally sure the milksops on Scoobynet won't necessarily agree with that viewpoint!

hodgy0_2

and ironically the only "disruptive 'street' behaviour" is from the policeman

Paben

iTrader: (5)

No, wrong. The problem started with the driver's refusal to comply with a reasonable request to get out of his car. The fact that he filmed the whole episode suggests it was a deliberate attempt to provoke a strong reaction. Personally I think he deserved to be pulled through the window by his ears.

jonc

I'm sure you would welcome the return to the old days of policing, that is until you or a friend or family member get a "hammering" or find themselves "falling down steps" a few times. You may argue that you and your friends/family would never receive that treatment in the first place due to being law abiding citizens, law abiding citizens like Ian Tomlinson. But if they're not law abiding then people like Sarah Reed deserve everything they get from the Police because those are the standards of policing that officers should adhere to.

hodgy0_2

where was the reasonable request?

I saw a policeman having a hissy fit

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

You saw what was captured after the guy started filming. Do you believe that was the very start of their exchange?

hodgy0_2

well I was responding to Paben who stated

"The fact that he filmed the whole episode suggests"

my bold

Paben

iTrader: (5)

Typically it's the hand wringers and defenders of the rights of oiks and street scum who are the first to run crying to the despised police when their house is broken into, their car is vandalised or their daughter is assaulted in the park. Then no punishment is too harsh for the perpetrator and outrage and a strong sense of injustice is felt at the leniency of the sentences dished out in most courts. Horse whipping is too good for them, and a two months suspended sentence or 30 hours community service just doesn't seem to cut it somehow. But you can't have it both ways.

hodgy0_2

I don't want it both ways

I just want the police to behave in a professional manner

that they have to deal with "street scum" is sort of in the job title

otherwise they may as well sit in the police station eating donuts

you think he behaved in a professional manner - fine


plenty of people don't

jonc

Complete straw man and in no way supports your argument for advocating police brutality. Besides, there was still plenty of vandalism, assaults and street scum and general criminality etc back in the old days, which makes your point completely null and void.

hodgy0_2

you are right off course - people always look back with rose tinted spectacles

it would be interesting to see the stats on "petty" street crime and crime in general

it seems to be declining - but I have no substantive basis for that

Paben

iTrader: (5)

Rose tinted spectacles are not required to recall that not so many years ago town centres were not the night-time no go areas they have become at weekends, thanks to shocking behaviour, rampaging drunks and an impotent police service. This bothers me considerably and I would like to see a more robust police response, but seemingly it's not acceptable.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

you dont need to get out of a car to proove who you are regardless of skintone
after my encounter with plod and all the lies in his statement, i for one will record any encounters in future

jonc

That is such backward thinking. How is allowing the Police to assault people going to stop people from getting drunk? Were there not rampaging drunken football hooligans, for example, back in the days you hold so fondly? Did all the mods, rockers, punks, skin heads etc etc all get along so nicely because you consider the police back then were more effective? How is giving the Police force more powers to readily use more force with less accountability going to attract more people to join the Police force if you think the current standards leave the Police force impotent?

lozgti1

Would not give our police the time of day

Bunch of thickos with only a uniform suggesting they are not criminals

*****

Felix.

So, you're lumping me into that category then.

silver-sub

The officers name was PC Savage. How fitting.

hodgy0_2

post 40

yes, that was amusing

silver-sub

Ha ha must have missed it!

lozgti1

Nope. You are the o.oo1% who is fine .Sorry Felix .Had some rotton experiences