Originally Posted by Kwik

Because we have/had one of the higher tarrifs, whilst our industries have been funded to move to other EU countries that pays no tariff.
Without the UK how would our finances and industries be used to stabilise other, weaker economies?.
If our tarrif was required, will the tarrifs of other EU countries now rise? Will countries that previously haven't paid tariffs now have to start?.
Are EU members now not only expected to not only stop or restrict imports to/from the UK but pay higher tariffs?
Perhaps we should have been offered different terms under the same tariff.

Perhaps the EU should have realised that if a major player was considering a move out of the EU that their terms were outdated and needed adjusting. Not just for us, but for everyone.

In a blind panic some are considering what being out of the EU will mean. But forgetting the EU without the UK will not be rosy for those left in. They are holding their cards to their chest and in reality have more chance of other member states leaving if they don't cut us a favourable deal than if they did.

How will Germany react to being told their tariff will rise and that they will possibly lose a large player in the export of their motor industry?

We should be considering our options and fast. With Obama writing us off and trump basically u-turning on that new deals with the US, China, Russia possibly could be a better option than sitting and biting our nails waiting for the EU to forgive our sins.

Originally Posted by Kwik

Because we have/had one of the higher tarrifs, whilst our industries have been funded to move to other EU countries that pays no tariff.
Without the UK how would our finances and industries be used to stabilise other, weaker economies?.
If our tarrif was required, will the tarrifs of other EU countries now rise? Will countries that previously haven't paid tariffs now have to start?.
Are EU members now not only expected to not only stop or restrict imports to/from the UK but pay higher tariffs?
Perhaps we should have been offered different terms under the same tariff.

Originally Posted by Sad Weevil

Lol you don't even know the right words to use. There are no tarriffs in a free market - that's the whole point of it. Perhaps you are referring to our contributions to the EU budget? (which, unlike other members, we get a substantial rebate on). You obviously have zero understanding of basic economics. I've called you out on your statement that the EU has the slowest growth in the world 3 times now, with no response. It's a lie, not true, wrong. I've also asked what the EU has done to you to **** you over, again no response. Really can't take anything you say seriously. And yet you contributed to this unholy mess by voting leave when you clearly don't actually understand anything about it. Not a clue.

Originally Posted by Sad Weevil

Lol you don't even know the right words to use. There are no tarriffs in a free market - that's the whole point of it. Perhaps you are referring to our contributions to the EU budget? (which, unlike other members, we get a substantial rebate on). You obviously have zero understanding of basic economics. I've called you out on your statement that the EU has the slowest growth in the world 3 times now, with no response. It's a lie, not true, wrong. I've also asked what the EU has done to you to **** you over, again no response. Really can't take anything you say seriously. And yet you contributed to this unholy mess by voting leave when you clearly don't actually understand anything about it. Not a clue.

Originally Posted by jonc

It's funny, reading the last couple of pages, I see an analogy of the life choices between yourself and Ditch, you as a remainer and Ditch who "Brexited", question is, who is better off, the remainer or the "brexiter"?

Originally Posted by JTaylor

I think Kwik is probably quite a sincere and decent bloke, but like most of the population on these issues, he's out of his depth. He thinks high street furniture retailers import their goods from Europe, not the Far East. The guy doesn't realise that when the cost of imports go up, the cost of products go up and so does inflation and so the man in the street becomes poorer in real terms. Kwik's been hoodwinked and doesn't realise it. At least his depot is doing well.

Originally Posted by JTaylor

I think Kwik is probably quite a sincere and decent bloke, but like most of the population on these issues, he's out of his depth. He thinks high street furniture retailers import their goods from Europe, not the Far East. The guy doesn't realise that when the cost of imports go up, the cost of products go up and so does inflation and so the man in the street becomes poorer in real terms. Kwik's been hoodwinked and doesn't realise it. At least his depot is doing well.

Originally Posted by ditchmyster

Are you out of your tiny mind???

It's the fault of brain dead idiots that joined the military and did the bidding of those with no ***** that has put the world in the mess that it's in today, with no army to fight the war for them do you seriously think that the leaders of this world would have gone out and fought for themselves.

Originally Posted by Paben

I was one of the brain dead idiots that joined the military and it sickens me to think that so many died over the years to maintain the freedom that allows people like you to gob off with impunity. You don't deserve the privilege of their sacrifice.

Originally Posted by ditchmyster

Shut up you prat, all you did was the bidding of your masters, the same masters that brain washed you into thinking that you were somehow doing the rest of us a favour.

If some idiot wants to believe a load of bollocks and then ends up dead because of it then that's his problem, but don't do it in my name and then try and tell me I have somehow benefited from his stupidity.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Originally Posted by Paben

You should know all about stupid as you are the perfect example, and a lying one too. Go and **** yourself you tosser.

Originally Posted by jonc

Ditch, I think you're being a bit harsh. Man has always fought and will continue to do so until no one is left, it's one of the less desirable traits in humans. Saying that there would be no wars if there were no soldiers is like saying there would be no crime if there were no Police!

Being a soldier is a profession much like a fireman, doctor, nurse, police etc, to protect and serve the public and the country and also provide humanitarian relief as well as supporting other countries. So if every country did away with soldiers, who's going to stand up against organised hostile groups like ISIS for example? It not about simply being brainless and following orders!

Originally Posted by jonc

Not all those who make up ISIS start out as soldiers! They are terrorists organisation that started on the back of a civilian uprising. War is wrong but so is calling people who made the ultimate sacrifice to defend our way of life as nothing more than brainwashed puppets of politicians is to do them a great disservice.

Originally Posted by JTaylor

A jihadi and a professional soldier are quite different.

Originally Posted by JTaylor

A jihadi and a professional soldier are quite different.

Originally Posted by dpb

Thread derail alert !

Originally Posted by ditchmyster

**** OFF, they're are EXACTLY the same thing, both brain washed into thinking they are right and doing good for their cause.

SIMPLE.

Originally Posted by ditchmyster

And some more food for thought, which is probably going to conflict you.

One does it for money the other does it for his beliefs, my question to you is which is the most rightous?

Originally Posted by JTaylor

No. Most jihadis have deep inner convictions and most professional soldiers are following orders.

Originally Posted by ditchmyster

Now you do realise that by saying that it just means that you've bought into the bullsh1t as well.

Oooooh nasty man did a bad thing, we must punish him because we're in the right. Sorry mate but it's all bollocks, CIA, MI5, etc etc it's all about big business and money, the mugs on either side killing each other are all just ordinary people, we call ours 'soldiers' our brave boys going out there to defend us all against the nasty horrible terrorists, these terrorists were all just like us once upon a time, they came out of a womans womb and were little babies, just like our little babies, it's other people that turned them into "Nasty Men" and made them shoot kill and bomb us.

NOW TRY AND THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

Who just typed that, was it me or some guy in Afganistan trying to explain to his people that it's not the fault of the soldier in the uniform but the man that put him in that uniform and told him we were the bad guys.


GET IT!

WAKE UP PEOPLE.

Originally Posted by ditchmyster

Now you do realise that by saying that it just means that you've bought into the bullsh1t as well.

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