Gixerman

Bout time this thread was put to bed.....

Having both a quick scoob and a quick bike, I can only say they're both brilliant BUT...

The Nurburgring in Germany is prob the closest thing you'll get to a 'road type' track. There are a lot of guys from scoobynet who regually go there(with some v. quick drivers)but i'm sure they'd have to agree that the really really fast bikers(prob only about 1 percent of the bikes there!!!!)are quicker over a full lap. Before i get shot down i know race cars hold the lap records etc but we're talking road based vehicles here right?

In the many years i've been going the only cars that can get close are the stripped out GT3 Porkers with BIG brakes etc which can hassle you through the tighter stuff and in the braking areas but over the lap the bike has too much speed.

At the end of the day BOTH cars and bikes are great fun and if i have a bit of a blat with either whether i'm on my bike or in the scoob i'll always give a thumbs up afterwards as surely we're all enjoying our motoring fun whether it be on 2 or 4 wheels!!!!!!!

NotoriousREV

I just want to point out the fact that the IOM circuit is not that twisty, in that there are not many slow, knee down corners. The reason for the average speed being so high is that the bikes are spending a long time at top speed. Compare the IOM average speeds with most race tracks and you'll see the difference (most about 140 - 180 km/h mark, depending on class)

flat4

true, was hoping to fool some people and end this thread


kev

NotoriousREV

MUHAHAHAHAHAH, while I have breath in my body, I will not let this thread die

Unless you send ONE BILLION DOLLARS!

kenb@manx

No slow corners on the TT course except for Quarterbridge, Bradden Bridge, Glen Helen, Sulby Bridge, Ginger Hall, Kerrowmoar, Parliament Square, Ramsey Hairpin, the Gooseneck, Guthries, the Mountain Box, Bungalow Bridge, Windy Corner, Kates, Creg Na Baa, Brandish, Signpost Corner, Bedstead, the Nook, and Govenors Dip! There's proabably more for the smart chaps to find. Take your point about the many places to go really quick though. How DJ does it at 127 mph is beyond mere mortals.

ken

jjones

lol you car drivers always prefer to forget traffic.

it is supposed to be hot tomorrow - shall i take the cage to work or my inter-continental ballistic missile?

uncle buck

i'm taking the missile..

see ya there...

[Edited by uncle buck - 6/17/2002 12:05:49 AM]

mutant_matt

Kenb,

Whilst you're right in the main (and you obviously know the course ( ), I would have to take issue with Mountain Box, Bungalow Bridge & Kates as being slow corners. Even me on my first trip to the Island on my standard road bike was able to take Bungalow Bridge @ about 100mph (and I was only there for 3 days).

Matt

P.S. I'm really looking forward to the 2002 TT round up DVD with Dave Jeffries' 127mph lap

CraigH

In last years Autocar 0-100-0 test (not saying it's accurate just a comparison on the day) the cars with VERY good brakes were stopping from a ton in just under 4.5 secs.
They had a GSXR1000 there and that took 6.5secs to stop from a ton.
It did get there a "little" quicker than most cars though

One of the few times I've had a bit of fun with a bike, was when I first got the STI. Saw a bike behind waiting to overtake me as we were coming up to some dual carriageway - he must've been in 6th, I was in 3rd and pulled a small gap on me. Got to a roundabout, went thru, then he overtook me - it was a Fireblade. Got to another roundabout 3/4 mile down the roundabout and he turned round to go back - so I followed him and stupidly went round the outside of him on the roundabout (it was late at night) - had my foot buried and the next thing I knew was this Fireblade going past me doing a wheelie and the rider giving me the bird - it was at that time that i realised bikes can be fairly quick

DRUNKNORGY

Quote:- 'By far the funniest moments on this thread are the "Physics Lessons" from ntellectual Pygmies'.

Top quote, Take the **** out of intellectual pygmies and then learn how to spell (lol). If you have ever taken the time to watch bike racing you will see how quick they can change direction with an experienced rider on board. The trick about speed in cornering is to keep pulling G's to the minimum, not maxing out your tyres DOH. If you want to corner really fast get a Kart.
When you hit a corner too fast, you depend upon the ABS, front/rear torque split, etc to dig you out of the ****, This boosts your ego and gives you the impression you are more skilful than you really are (lol). Top marks to Subaru for producing such forgiving car.
If you were really skilful then you would be doing the same in a 2wd car but I guess that's probably beyond your capabilities. If you want to see what real performance is, learn to ride a bike and try it before you knock it (but take a change of underwear). The general concensus of opinion by those who ride and drive (which I do both) is there is a lot more skill in bike riding than driving and any **** can open it up in a straight line.


[Edited by DRUNKNORGY - 6/17/2002 1:19:19 PM]

NotoriousREV

Damn, I missed the Intellectual Pygmies comment. So pray tell, oh wise and intelligent one, why in my example from Snetterton are the 4 wheeled vehicles quicker than the 2 wheeled vehicles, given that the 4 wheeled vehicles are heavier? I await your answer to illuminate me...

Sphyncter

BOING

Back to the top you go.

LMAO, this a peach thread, considering it has been "Done to Death"

This thread was not intended to wind people up, just a light-hearted attempt to get your anecdotes re teasing motor-cyclists. Some of you guys are taking this WAY too seriously :smoke: :burnout:

So far, only a couple of people have given stories.

I ride a bike, and a "ahem" fast(ish) car. I do feel that it takes more skill to ride a bike fast than it does to ride a car fast, however, I sit back with my flame-proof suit on and await any comments.

In the mean-time, the virtual credit card from this newbie is at the virtual bar to all those who have contributed to this interesting thread. Top work chaps

skiddusmarkus

I've had a bit of a tussle over a few miles with a mate on his CBR600-all at legal speeds as it's a N/S limit but very twisty and bumpy.I left him easily and had to park up and wait for him(when safe)When we got to some straight roads though he passed me quite easily,but then again I don't particularly want to be doing 3 figure speeds and moved over for him.

DRUNKNORGY

I wasn't proclaiming the level of my intelligence, just pointing out the error of his way. I'm sorry if you also missed the point, I will try and be more direct in future. The cars you are talking about are indeed quick, They hill climb them locally near me, hold the record against all comers, but would never pass as a road going car. much more closely to a kart. Indeed with your own knowledge of bikes, don't you feel its a little bit unfair to compare a bike with very little modification from road going spec to an out and out race car with less than 2 inches of ground clearance which has been purely designed for the track?. This is like comparing your own scoob to a works one and that's a little bit misleading. If a kart can pull over 2 G's in a corners, its not just down to a footprint on the road , but also the weight of the kart on the tyres as well

Tiggs

rev,

just read your snetterton stuff- you are spot on with your race car v race bike comparison.

i have never owned a race car, only a scoob and an R1- therfore the only only comparison i can make is that my R1 gets me round snet in under 1.18 but my scoob wouldnt!!!

T

NotoriousREV

DRUNKORGY, I wasn't aiming that at you, more the person who made the pygmy comment

And remember children, it's all in fun.

mutant_matt

The fact that is has been done to death never stops it from going on forever and nobody ever being convinced either way

Hang around a few months and you WILL see it emerge again, and it will be predicably the same......

Having said that, we've got some new blood to the discussion this time so it has been more interesting than it often is

Matt

Sphyncter

Cheers Mutant-M

As a newbie here, and as the thread starter, I will conclude by saying that bikes are faster and better, so ner ner ne ner nerrrrr

jjones

"They had a GSXR1000 there and that took 6.5secs to stop from a ton"

i know you say the tests may not be a true reflection but even so 6.5 is a little high to say the least! Were the tests conducted in an inch of standing water??

Bike magazine June 2002 tested the latest superbikes in less than ideal conditions but the GSX-R1000 still managed to stop from a ton in 4.8secs/351ft

i think your results are a LITTLE! misleading!!

p.s. they also did :

0-60 3.15 secs
0-100 5.85 secs

(and yes that is MPH )



[Edited by jjones - 6/17/2002 6:35:05 PM]

mutant_matt

I don't know if you've been reading my posts but I agree with you m8 (and I have a Scoob and a bike to save you re-reading the thread )

Matt

[Edited by mutant_matt - 6/17/2002 6:43:58 PM]

Sphyncter

Reading what posts MM

NotoriousREV

Oh, of course bikes are better, but I never let facts get anywhere near an internet discussion if I can help it

Mike Burton

Cooorrr, you come back after the weekend, and its still going

Still don't think my other halfs VW Polo can get around every type of corner (within its maximum design speed) faster than my bike can.

If we club together £900, we can hire Elvington Airfield for the day and do some tests

(I've heard you can get it for £900 anyway)

mutant_matt

Sphyncter,



Matt

Alpine

Great thread this... I love the way most people are never deterred by the facts and plough on regardless... The facts are in the thread.. lap times don't lie... get over it...

DRUNKNORGY

REV, no hard feelings but I was not to keen on being labelled an intellectual pygmy, and as a rule, I normally steer clear of a battle of wits with an unarmed man, but it does help to have an open mind when discussing this, and also experience of both sides as well (which he obviously doesn't). That said, out on the open road most modern cars with ABS will outbrake bikes, but you have to spend a really serious amount of cash to get anywhere near bike performance (a decent 250 will leave even a tuned scooby up to a ton), and lets face it you only have to get a Sunday driver in front of you to spoil you drive, To bikes they are only a minor inconvenience. Learning the skills of quick bike riding and putting them into practice gives a buzz you can't match in a car. You only get out what you put in. I am interested to see how the road going scoobs compare in lap times to a road legal bike say a GSXR600 at snetterton, I did note that the outright record is held by a raynauld in 95 seconds (which must have been something to watch). The best a bike has managed is by a Ducati in 1:06. Interestingly, the best a kart has managed with 2.5 G's of cornering performance 1:12

[Edited by DRUNKNORGY - 6/18/2002 12:34:40 PM]

speedking

95 seconds = 1min 35sec Is that the outright record by a car? as the Ducati and Kart are substantially quicker.

[Edited by speedking - 6/18/2002 1:07:04 PM]

Tiggs

you can go to the shops- get an R1 for a few grand and with a bit of praccy yo will get round snett in under 1.20, i would be amazed if a scoob would be anywhere near as quick.

T

Denzil_Dog

DRUNKNORGY
you say u want to compare say a gixxer600 and a scoob on a trackday !!

what is your average race-track ?
basically a big straight with a few slight corners !

majority of corners on a race track are taken at what ??? well above 70mph some even 120-130mph!!!

i would like to see how a bike would do against a scooby in a HILL-CLIMB event, on a narrow road, with hairpins that you can take at no more than 20mph !!
the bike would have no ferkin chance whatsoever! enough said

Denzil_Dog

to some it up !!! it's all about the terrain!!!!

each type of vehicle has it's own pro's and cons for differant types of terrain !!

so shovetupy'***.... rightupiny'ss