Teasing Motor-cyclists
18 June 2002, 03:03 PM
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My mistake,Here is the corrected info:-
The outright lap record is held by Luiz Garcia in a Reynard 95D (formula 3000)with a time of 59.47 secs and a time of 118.16mph (190.161km.h) set on 6th May 1996. As I said 'very impressive' but look at the amount of R&D expended on this class and you would expect nothing less.
here is a link to a file for my local hill climb results, http://www.prescott-hillclimb.com/docs/may2002.csv
bear in mind that the subarus are up against a lot of track orientated vehicles and some formula 3000's in the really low numbers, Here are some times for the bikes as well for comparison
http://www.prescott-hillclimb.com/docs/june2002-1.csv
[Edited by DRUNKNORGY - 6/18/2002 3:06:48 PM]
The outright lap record is held by Luiz Garcia in a Reynard 95D (formula 3000)with a time of 59.47 secs and a time of 118.16mph (190.161km.h) set on 6th May 1996. As I said 'very impressive' but look at the amount of R&D expended on this class and you would expect nothing less.
here is a link to a file for my local hill climb results, http://www.prescott-hillclimb.com/docs/may2002.csv
bear in mind that the subarus are up against a lot of track orientated vehicles and some formula 3000's in the really low numbers, Here are some times for the bikes as well for comparison
http://www.prescott-hillclimb.com/docs/june2002-1.csv
[Edited by DRUNKNORGY - 6/18/2002 3:06:48 PM]
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18 June 2002, 03:51 PM
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Its a tarmac course but with a couple of hairpins. it is a slower course suited to lower geared foot downriding style as opposed to knee down. If it was on gravel, then the bikes would consistently come top out of all vehicles, as they can carry the their own weight up the hill easier than a car. You only have to watch supercross to see how quickly the scramblers can cover a rough surface, This is also borne out in the Paris-Dakar events. Supermotards (enduro bikes with road tyres) are beginning to make their mark on these slower courses. as they have a good balance of grip and low speed manoeuvrability, they can still touch 110 mph on this courses though.
18 June 2002, 04:22 PM
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i have an exc 300 KTM as well and can vouch for them being quick in the rough!!! in fact, there are places you can go on them that you could NEVER go in any other vehicle- let alone doing it at 50mph sideways on one wheel!
18 June 2002, 10:47 PM
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You aint the sharpest tool in the box are ya!, OK fair do's I made a bit of a typo, but hey I may not be able to spell but at least I can read. I own a ******* bike you moron, my "intellectual" comment was aimed fairly and squarly at contributers to this bbs who start their reply's with "Ok heres a lesson in physics.." and then proceed to make complete ***** of themselves with their very ill informed reasoning. The comments afterwards were meant to be sarcastic...you know the lowest form of wit an all that
I own a bike, and a scoob and love em both, though I would say it takes more skill and larger nad sacks to ride a bike fast. If you bother to reply to this please make sure you gain the help of your parent or guardian to assist you with the context. 
End of and good night
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[Edited by W9GTR - 6/18/2002 10:50:55 PM]
[Edited by W9GTR - 6/18/2002 10:52:16 PM]
You aint the sharpest tool in the box are ya!, OK fair do's I made a bit of a typo, but hey I may not be able to spell but at least I can read. I own a ******* bike you moron, my "intellectual" comment was aimed fairly and squarly at contributers to this bbs who start their reply's with "Ok heres a lesson in physics.." and then proceed to make complete ***** of themselves with their very ill informed reasoning. The comments afterwards were meant to be sarcastic...you know the lowest form of wit an all that
I own a bike, and a scoob and love em both, though I would say it takes more skill and larger nad sacks to ride a bike fast. If you bother to reply to this please make sure you gain the help of your parent or guardian to assist you with the context. End of and good night
Steve
[Edited by W9GTR - 6/18/2002 10:50:55 PM]
[Edited by W9GTR - 6/18/2002 10:52:16 PM]
18 June 2002, 11:03 PM
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In fact currently trying to make my mind up about wether to go round bedford Autodrome in the old Skylark Friday week or Donnington Park full circuit on the Gixer..hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm decisions decisions
18 June 2002, 11:56 PM
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W9GTR. I didn't set out my point of view to patronise anyone on this site, just to enlighten those who post on the site regarding the virtues of scoobs by rubbishing something they have little knowledge of. If you want to set me straight on my inaccuracies, fire away.
I feel that scoobs are one of the most sorted cars on the road, as is the skyline (within their design brief) but even the sharpest tools can be useless in the wrong hands (this applies even more so to bikes which is why a few contributors to this thread get the impression that they can smoke them all with ease).
Hook, Line, Sinker, Rod,Arm, Etc, Etc ---- I must be using the right type of Bait. I may be a Moron in your eyes but I can stand my corner without getting personal.
[Edited by DRUNKNORGY - 6/19/2002 9:57:39 AM]
I feel that scoobs are one of the most sorted cars on the road, as is the skyline (within their design brief) but even the sharpest tools can be useless in the wrong hands (this applies even more so to bikes which is why a few contributors to this thread get the impression that they can smoke them all with ease).
Hook, Line, Sinker, Rod,Arm, Etc, Etc ---- I must be using the right type of Bait. I may be a Moron in your eyes but I can stand my corner without getting personal.
[Edited by DRUNKNORGY - 6/19/2002 9:57:39 AM]
19 June 2002, 09:26 AM
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In fact currently trying to make my mind up about wether to go round bedford Autodrome in the old Skylark Friday week or Donnington Park full circuit on the Gixer..hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm decisions decisions
The Scooby will be there too, but I don't think they'll let me out in it 
19 June 2002, 12:43 PM
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Well the Gixer is going to be quicker, but we want to know corner speeds
Im 100% that just about any car, including my Mrs 1.0 Polo will be faster around the Melbourne Loop (I think thats what its called anyway.. the one with the big fosters can), but not sure about some of the other corners.
Im 100% that just about any car, including my Mrs 1.0 Polo will be faster around the Melbourne Loop (I think thats what its called anyway.. the one with the big fosters can), but not sure about some of the other corners.
19 June 2002, 01:27 PM
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Donnigton is a very fast, open circuit therfore bikes have the advantage (especially the full circuit). Foggy Esses, Melbourne Loop and that last corner before the start/finish wouldn't be enough to reel in the difference in top speed and acceleration.
I can't beleive this thread is still going. Don't people have strong opinions?
I can't beleive this thread is still going. Don't people have strong opinions?
19 June 2002, 02:09 PM
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I think it would help if it everyone knew what the question was
We've got 'Ka's being compared to R1s on track & scoobs being compared to a moped on 'real' roads... Rather a lot of variables going on
I recon, on a typical road it's the bike, even if it's pi55ing it down & the bike is a 125cc, 'cos there's traffic. Everywhere. And that's saying the bike's quicker than any car even with the car having a 'perfect' driver & a cretin on the bike. It doesn't make the car any thinner.
On a track it gets more complicated - certainly a car with a bike's engine (and so mass) will beat a bike - the bike has no advantage whatsoever over the car unless the car is as wide as a... something pretty big, anyway. Turn the power - and mass - of the car up & it gets trickier as the increased mass causes problems because of the extra inertia. Reducing traction (cr4p road or rain) ups the 'multiplier' to make the one with more relative grip better & better rather than actually swapping who was quicker.
Again, different on a road, 'cos the 2 wheels are always (and I mean always) going to cause more problems than 4. One wheel hits oil: car "I wonder what that was? The back jiggled a bit... maybe a wet leaf?"; bike: "oh, I'm dead", so the bike has to back off earlier. Or die howwibly. So it's a compromise - a bike driven by an expert will have less (significantly) problems with this sort of hazard so they are able to up their 'safe travel speed'. Bad bikers might try & do the same, but then stop being bikers, or they go slower & learn.
And as mentioned before, it doesn't matter if the bikes' tyres are made of glue - stop too quickly, even with the rider putting the COG of the bike in the best place & the **** of the bike wants to go past the front (in any direction - round the back or over the top, physics will have its way). Not a problem with the car. So cars can brake quicker. Make the bike heavier & distribute the weight cunningly & braking potential might be increased but at the cost of inertia & you end up with the same argument above regarding more power therefore weight for the car.
So... that either shuts things up or sets them off again
We've got 'Ka's being compared to R1s on track & scoobs being compared to a moped on 'real' roads... Rather a lot of variables going on
I recon, on a typical road it's the bike, even if it's pi55ing it down & the bike is a 125cc, 'cos there's traffic. Everywhere. And that's saying the bike's quicker than any car even with the car having a 'perfect' driver & a cretin on the bike. It doesn't make the car any thinner.
On a track it gets more complicated - certainly a car with a bike's engine (and so mass) will beat a bike - the bike has no advantage whatsoever over the car unless the car is as wide as a... something pretty big, anyway. Turn the power - and mass - of the car up & it gets trickier as the increased mass causes problems because of the extra inertia. Reducing traction (cr4p road or rain) ups the 'multiplier' to make the one with more relative grip better & better rather than actually swapping who was quicker.
Again, different on a road, 'cos the 2 wheels are always (and I mean always) going to cause more problems than 4. One wheel hits oil: car "I wonder what that was? The back jiggled a bit... maybe a wet leaf?"; bike: "oh, I'm dead", so the bike has to back off earlier. Or die howwibly. So it's a compromise - a bike driven by an expert will have less (significantly) problems with this sort of hazard so they are able to up their 'safe travel speed'. Bad bikers might try & do the same, but then stop being bikers, or they go slower & learn.
And as mentioned before, it doesn't matter if the bikes' tyres are made of glue - stop too quickly, even with the rider putting the COG of the bike in the best place & the **** of the bike wants to go past the front (in any direction - round the back or over the top, physics will have its way). Not a problem with the car. So cars can brake quicker. Make the bike heavier & distribute the weight cunningly & braking potential might be increased but at the cost of inertia & you end up with the same argument above regarding more power therefore weight for the car.
So... that either shuts things up or sets them off again
19 June 2002, 03:30 PM
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Ive got both....
The bottom line is that if i come round a corner on a bike at full pelt, and there is a slow moving tractor on my side of the road - i can do very little but crash to avoid it.
In a scooby i can slam on the brakes and potentially get away with it. Oh - and if i do hit the tractor - its only the bank that gets broken.
On a bike you have to be a lot more careful - road surface, mud, oil and other road users are way more relevant than to a scooby.
Very fast bike drivers are often not too bothered about the above and take risks.
If you havent ridden a fast bike you really need to....
Jza
The bottom line is that if i come round a corner on a bike at full pelt, and there is a slow moving tractor on my side of the road - i can do very little but crash to avoid it.
In a scooby i can slam on the brakes and potentially get away with it. Oh - and if i do hit the tractor - its only the bank that gets broken.
On a bike you have to be a lot more careful - road surface, mud, oil and other road users are way more relevant than to a scooby.
Very fast bike drivers are often not too bothered about the above and take risks.
If you havent ridden a fast bike you really need to....
Jza
19 June 2002, 04:10 PM
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I have gone through gaps on the bike I would never have contemplated doing in a car. On a bike you sit much higher than a car (more range rover height)so the vision is pretty good. Agree about trying out a bike. If you hit another vehicle head on at 60 in any car, chances are your dead anyway. I was a passenger on a bike which hit a car with a combined speed of 80 mph, I was thrown over the top of the car and broke my knee. If we had been in a car, I am certain we would have all died. crumple zones at that speed lose their effectiveness
19 June 2002, 04:33 PM
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err, crumple zones, air bags (and the more useful seat belts) work very nicely at 60 thanks very much. Crumple-heads (or knees) on a bike don't. The crumple zones might not entirely protect the 'cage', but they are still helping considerably.
Two cars in the States drove into each other once (it was head-on, which does help a lot, though) with a calculated combined speed of 140mph. The ambulance expected to turn up to a mess. The two drivers were standing in the middle of the road yelling at each other.
An extreme case, I think, but you are considerably (or is that totally?) more vulnerable on a bike. If you don't agree, don't go on a bike again as you won't live to regret it in the long run.
[edited 'cos my english aint not no good by day the end of]
[Edited by nom - 6/19/2002 4:40:55 PM]
Two cars in the States drove into each other once (it was head-on, which does help a lot, though) with a calculated combined speed of 140mph. The ambulance expected to turn up to a mess. The two drivers were standing in the middle of the road yelling at each other.
An extreme case, I think, but you are considerably (or is that totally?) more vulnerable on a bike. If you don't agree, don't go on a bike again as you won't live to regret it in the long run.
[edited 'cos my english aint not no good by day the end of]
[Edited by nom - 6/19/2002 4:40:55 PM]
19 June 2002, 04:52 PM
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A couple of years ago a stockbrokers wife and kids in the back were driving up the M4 in a range rover, She got distracted, hit the armaco and because of the ground clearance passed over the top of it into the path of the oncoming traffic, They all died instantly. Even Mercedes with their 500 series won't guarantee crash protection at 60mph in a head on. Most accidents like this are not full head on but half and half and the crash protection is nowhere near as effective, The wings tend to wrap around the drivers legs and torso. If I spent all my time worrying about the dangers of wheeled transport I would not drive my car either. They all carry risks.
[Edited by DRUNKNORGY - 6/19/2002 5:03:50 PM]
[Edited by DRUNKNORGY - 6/19/2002 5:03:50 PM]
19 June 2002, 05:30 PM
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Good muppetting! I think you need some training...
Range-Rovers & other heavy goods vehicles/'offroaders' with their CoG about 20 foot over the top of the "car" don't have crumple zones, as proven by most of those testy-things that they drive into brick walls with.
And being in a Mercedes when a car lands on you is rather better than being on a bike, methinks.
Anyway, this is turning into a silly argument. OK, a silly argument amongst silly arguments Look, everyine else has gone away...
Range-Rovers & other heavy goods vehicles/'offroaders' with their CoG about 20 foot over the top of the "car" don't have crumple zones, as proven by most of those testy-things that they drive into brick walls with.
And being in a Mercedes when a car lands on you is rather better than being on a bike, methinks.
Anyway, this is turning into a silly argument. OK, a silly argument amongst silly arguments
Look, everyine else has gone away...
19 June 2002, 05:42 PM
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FFS is this thread still going ?
Snigger.
Have only two of you actually managed to properly reply and give stories and chortlesome anecdotes od smoking sessions.
Cmon guys, don't tell me only two of you have managed to smoke bikers on the roads.
I arrest my case.
Bikes whup scooby ***.
Snigger.
Have only two of you actually managed to properly reply and give stories and chortlesome anecdotes od smoking sessions.
Cmon guys, don't tell me only two of you have managed to smoke bikers on the roads.
I arrest my case.
Bikes whup scooby ***.
19 June 2002, 06:09 PM
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Well I've whupped a couple of Scoobs on twisty country lanes....they probably were wondering why I zoomed up behind them, followed them at their speed for a couple of miles before whizzing past and off into the distance.....(and as I have a Scoob, I would have said that, yes, they WERE trying )
Well, obvioulsy, I was having a look at their scoob, trying to work out if I knew them and then (hopefully), letting them appreciate my bike (for a short time )
Matt
P.S. Will that do or were you only after "Scoob smoking bikes" stories?
)Well, obvioulsy, I was having a look at their scoob, trying to work out if I knew them and then (hopefully), letting them appreciate my bike (for a short time
)Matt
P.S. Will that do or were you only after "Scoob smoking bikes" stories?