Mr Fuji

That simply isn't true, and you know it. No believes in a virgin birth of the Universe. The start of the Universe is currently unknown, and may never be known.

Like I say, infinite regress is a tricky one, for everyone.

Peedee

iTrader: (4)

Funny how when followers can't answer questions, they just refer you to somewhere else. Methinks you don't quite know as much as you like to think you do. Rather than just try and get people to go and look at religious teachings, answer in your 'own' words without quoting or referencing or attempting to direct to other sources.

Paben

iTrader: (5)

It’s called faith, a more acceptable expression for those who indulge in such wishful thinking. It helps alleviate the fear of the nothingness and non-existence that death brings. Accepting the certainty of the latter is difficult for many, who turn to religion to help them through. But it’s a lost cause. Nietzsche said: ‘I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time’. He makes a solid point about the supposed perfect Creator.

JTaylor

https://www.scoobynet.com/1019401-go...l#post11638752

JTaylor

Why would I want to define faith when it's already been done so beautifully by Paul?

JTaylor

You've no idea what happens to consciousness when the heart stops beating.

Paben

iTrader: (5)

Oops, could that be a subconscious acceptance of the truth?

When you sleep deeply you lose all knowledge of your existence, you cease to be. Life begins again when you wake up, sometimes requiring a few moments to re-orientate yourself and remember where you are. Death is the same, except you don't wake up.

JTaylor

I've corrected my spelling. Now, please provide evidence for the statement above.

Mr Fuji

That doesn't address the question, you simply have fallen back to God being eternal, which is as problematic as infinite regress.

I notice you didn't answer the following post which highlighted your incorrect assertions about protein creation.

Paben

iTrader: (5)

Why don't you provide evidence to contradict my statement? Not one of the many sources that you draw on constantly have ever died and come back to tell us of their experiences in an afterlife. They may be highly intelligent and very learned, but their writings on the subject are pure conjecture without the merest shred of proof to support them.

JTaylor

Thank you for reading. Your assertion that the question of infinite regress is moved back doesn't acknowledge that the Father is uncreated. He is outside of space and time and unbound by the law of causation.

As for the issue of protein creation, I'll go back and have a look.

JTaylor

You assert:

What evidence do you have to support this?

I have faith drawn from my reasoning in the link above. What evidence do you have? Truth is neither of us know what happens to our conciousness when we die. I guess if I sided with Judas then I'd hope the answer was nothing. But I don't, I follow Christ and as such I'm going to employ Pascal's Wager.

neil-h

There's a lot of really big assumptions in that paragraph.

Paben

iTrader: (5)

What assumptions?

dpb

I think encephalogram would prove otherwise

Paben

iTrader: (5)

Otherwise known as covering your backside just in case. Don't you think your all-seeing God might just see through that ruse and discredit you accordingly? Being a snidey Yes man can be no recommendation for Heaven.

JTaylor

I'm sure He'd applaud my pragmatism.

JTaylor

Yes, I accept Geezer's objection. My wording is clumsy.

Mr Fuji

Slightly ironic?

JTaylor

Sure, but it makes the point about faith. How do you explain consciousness?

Paben

iTrader: (5)

So subterfuge, pleading and presumably lying is allowable? That's great, we can employ the Homer Simpson approach. 'You've got to believe me God, I would never have sinned if I'd thought you would ever find out!' WC Fields would have loved it!

JTaylor

You're getting a bit carried away, old chap.

Paben

iTrader: (5)

The pot calling the kettle black I think!

David Lock

Goodbye Scoobynet


Well its come to the point where I no longer have any interest in posting here. The reality free bubble is one thing, but the outright hatred by some who claim to be so tolerant is another - Warrenm2 (previous post)

JTaylor

If you like. Anyway, what happens to consciousness after our heart stops beating?

neil-h

Pretty much everything i quoted from your post is an assumption.

Paben

iTrader: (5)

Actually you only made a sweeping statement, with no quotes about anything I said.

Here it is again, with some questions for you.

When you sleep deeply you lose all knowledge of your existence, you cease to be. Are you able to remain conscious in deep sleep? If you are then that's not deep sleep or any sort of normal sleep, You obviously don't literally cease to be, it just feels that way

Life begins again when you wake up, sometimes requiring a few moments to re-orientate yourself and remember where you are. Are you fully conscious during sleep so don't wake up like the rest of us? Or is it just me?

Death is the same, except you don't wake up. This is my opinion and debatable. The rest is not.

Mr Fuji

Same as when you switch a computer off, it's gone!

Paben

iTrader: (5)

Exactly that, why would we assume otherwise?

urban

iTrader: (1)

Then, two options await.
1. You get burned, and tipped into a pit with a load of other burnt remains, some boy stick a shovel of said remains into a container which your beloved keeps.

2. You get buried 6 foot under, and within a few days the rats come to say hello and eat you.

There might be a third rag head version if you blow yourself up, you might get 72 virgins.
This can't of course be confirmed or denied if this is indeed true or false