Thing with alot of owners tho is you cant tell if the maps bad, if your boost target is 1.4 and your concentrating on the road with no gauges full loading it how do you know its a constant 1.4 bar, it could go to 1.25 , 1.35 , 1.4 then back to 1.3 and you wouldnt really notice this if it happens quick enough etc

same with AFR readings if you dont have a wideband hooked up you dont know what your afr`s are at certain points etc , ive seen one lad say his car was great when i hooked up my ESL lead and did a log it was far from it but he couldnt really tell .

until you get the boost gauge, AFR gauge etc you just hope its all good ha

 

then those who do take the time and effort get accused of 'cashing in' on the situation

Thing people seem to forget is most impreza's are a minimum of ten years old now, so there's bound to be parts that fail, and with all the best intentions, what they think is there 'mint' car, is a bit of a nail. If they were gonna last why would subaru only put a 3 year warrenty on it?

A car that you bought for 10k but sold for 30k when new, is still a 30k car come servicing and modding time.

The amount of cheap classics i've seen that are just rusty sheds but thought to be mint examples is amazing.

 

A good datalogging cable can save your engine,

Id recommend to anyone infact id happily take anyone local enough out just for fun to see what theirs is doing,

Checking boost targets and what it actually hits

Checking for knock,

Just generally seeing whats doing what,

Could not agree more about the nails out there which could be doing with a good four figures being flung at em before a map,

 

I think folk feel like they are cashing in when they don't really understand whats involved,

Hard to argue when the mechanic shows you the fault and what he plans to fix,

Most people will go ahead with work they are shown which is why some manufacturers video the services to show customers work needing done,

It's when your just given a list and expected to pay it kills the fun of the experiance,

Something as simple as showing the O.P his o2 was cooked by showing him the data would solve any trust issues,

 

I think this thread is useful to a point. Throwing out your mapping concerns. As long as it's not just used for bashing mappers.

I would just like to find a mapper that will be interested in what I want have a chat with me before hand and do a decent job and not charge silly money.

£250 seems a fair price if a good job is done.

 

price depends on experience i would say, but that's a different ball game, good practices are a must (like road test after dyno maps), but some mappers don't even bother to do that

 

£250 might just cover the ECUtek fee lol,

 

If map is specyfic to car mapped i would expect unlocked map, especially when 550quid is paid
Second for 550 he should spend few hours to sort things out, if he fails he should put ecu back to standard map and **** off without money
On ebay is a jdm hatch with A.Forrest map, you can ask him about it
Probably others have no idea how to map jdm hatches

 

you are highly unlikley to get an unlocked map no matter what you paid.

 

If its Ecutek its locked no matter what,

Earlier ones can be bypassed tho.......

AF uses ECUtek so will also be locked,

Although from personal experience both times i have visited AF i left happy.

I only changed tuner to be able to have Carberry and adjust my own launch rpm.

 

Lock can't be bypassed, only over written so start from scratch (unless your talking about hacking it).

The map can't bee seen without the code so stops maps being stolen.

 

Earlier 16 bit is bypassed with software so you can see the map, edit it or do what you like.

Later ecu cannot be bypassed or opened to see map

But can be overwritten from scratch but only by ECUtek dealer

Once you have ECUtek your stuck with it on your ECU.

Also the whole stolen map thing

If they are such custom maps what use are they to others,

True there will be those who want to just flash random maps across, but if that's your game there are thousands of maps out there already........

IMO its just to hide behind if an engine blows

 

must be bloody early lol

 

2003 Blobeye and before.

Not sure when they changed to ecutek RaceRom is when you cant get past.

 

you sure its legit software?

 

ECUedit paid for and available to anyone with Tactrix cable

What exactly isn't legit ?

To hack into ECUtek which itself has hacked into Subaru ??

Bearing in mind this is on an ECU in a car i bought,

Mapper can claim intellectual software BS,

But did they get Subaru permission to edit code in 1st place ??

Should possibly start another thread regarding this as the Mapping police may not want folk knowing this............

Wouldn't want an informative thread deleted now would we.

 

I more ment as in some dodgy hacked software, not a bought software

I don't think its that much of a secret tbh, or at least it never has been, seems to be people have very short memories of it all and its only us old dogs that remember it.

 

Its actually fantastic software not cheap for the top one around £350

Comes with SSM subaru logging software can see thing romraider cannot

A Datalog viewer which is excellent for looking at logs & interpreting them

Plus the ability to read and write to ECUtek locked ECU

 

Interesting reading guys

 

Non of that with ESL 😉

 

Agree with some, use all in 1 mapper and fitter etc, in my case I helped mod my car as I like todo things myself and to learn with guidance from my mapper of course (but he's a friend too) and has tweaked my map so many times to get the best out of it, a car can be mapped in a few hours but to get the best out of it, needs a lot longer.
I've probably had 2-3 full days on mine to fine tune stuff so I'd definitely recommend Tim at Tweeksdevelopments for that 1to1 customer service and care, he's fussy like me and a bit **** and for his own sake, wants to push his skills to get the best out of it, hence doesn't rush and says it's done, his reply is, can get more out of that, bring it back and I'll tweek it more lol

 

but its not free either

 

Wouldn't it be great if it was

 

Any feedback from experience of the engine tuner or Zen?

 

Car mapped by Bob Rawle on ecutek
Car returned needed new front lambda
Car still not right after fitting new sensor
Car returned for second map charged again
Car stuttering overfueling badly hardly starting bucking and cel lifting up like a Xmas tree
Inspected a 3rd time told front lambda isn’t working

My car was at a company that does the repairs and bob maps there every six weeks
The car was then back there a 2nd time
And a third time for 8weeks
And given back to me exactly the same way.

Bob Rawle no intention of resolving these issues as previously stated in the other thread.

Here are the facts that you seem to have left out which play a significant part in the story ;

Your own mechanic prepared the car for remapping i.e New Owens turbo / front mount fitting /pipework/ plugs
Vehicle arrived on morning of remapping where we fitted uprated Injectors/map sensor/ pump/ supplied by yourself .You also had a turbo pipe which we couldn't fit due to the time involved .
On inspection of vehicle you were advised to remove the aftermarket dump valve which was fitted to the intercooler pipework as they can cause running issues especially when running your target 450bhp .
Car was checked over and remapped on the road and drove perfectly fine and made excellent power around 450bhp from memory. A sensor issue appeared at the end of session which you were informed of but at the time wasn't affecting drivability and of which you were informed of.
In fact everything mustn't have been too bad on the car when you messaged 3 weeks later

 

23/07/2016 00:17[Gary Ricken]Hi davey what did the legacymake piety wise after I left the lad said he look me up on Facebook but I not heard dying find out how he went Power
23/07/2016 10:40 DavidHi Gary. Legacy done 310 in 95 octane fuel. Nice car.
[Gary Ricken]Brilliant I was thinking about a build in the winter I'm undecided on 2.1 or 2.35 what you reckon davey circa 550 bhp
David Yes be excellent. We could do either for you . 2.1 is cheaper. 2.35 is extra torque n bhp
20/08/2016 21:21[Gary Ricken]Hi davey a friend of mine has a mate with evo 10 sst 355 bhp wants a cut off the Subaru bitof friendly blast up the road what do you recon? 3pm tomorrow

 

A week after this youcontacted me reporting aJutter that had come into thecar Partial throttle between 2.5 kand 3k the car stutters onceabove 3k it's perfectDoes it in every gearReplaced the plugs driving fineat the moment Need our mileson it to see if the issue isrectified or if the new plugsare masking it will let youknow in few days I don't domany miles on it that's theprob lol 1550 miles in a year06/10/2016 20:25[Gary Ricken]Hi davey took the car out for a40 mile drive the hestitation isslight but apparent on first 20miles getting worse in 6 thgear building the boost 3/4throttle the car started shakingbucking I eased off and all theengine check lights are onagain The mechanic fitted myplugs ilfr7h No boost leaks etcMy car was 100 percent prior to the map My only conclusionis the map Did the lambda failearlier and bob continued withthe map! Who knows I need tocome back up davey bob hasn'treplied to my email I want tocome the first day he's overand respectfully request if Iarrive early he does my carfirst dut to distance I'mtravelling I also want to drivemy own car when he'sremapping it I'll know then atthe end of the session if it'sright I have paid for new plugsand mechanic to fit them it's acouple hundred pound to travelup from cork And a day offwork I don't have anymoremoney for bob the car hasnever been right after mappingYou might confirm this is okplease davey so I can booktime off work Thanks Gary

 

A week after this youcontacted me reporting aJutter that had come into thecar Partial throttle between 2.5 kand 3k the car stutters onceabove 3k it's perfectDoes it in every gearReplaced the plugs driving fineat the moment Need our mileson it to see if the issue isrectified or if the new plugsare masking it will let youknow in few days I don't domany miles on it that's theprob lol 1550 miles in a year06/10/2016 20:25[Gary Ricken]Hi davey took the car out for a40 mile drive the hestitation isslight but apparent on first 20miles getting worse in 6 thgear building the boost 3/4throttle the car started shakingbucking I eased off and all theengine check lights are onagain The mechanic fitted myplugs ilfr7h No boost leaks etcMy car was 100 percent prior to the map My only conclusionis the map Did the lambda failearlier and bob continued withthe map! Who knows I need tocome back up davey bob hasn'treplied to my email I want tocome the first day he's overand respectfully request if Iarrive early he does my carfirst dut to distance I'mtravelling I also want to drivemy own car when he'sremapping it I'll know then atthe end of the session if it'sright I have paid for new plugsand mechanic to fit them it's acouple hundred pound to travelup from cork And a day offwork I don't have anymoremoney for bob the car hasnever been right after mapping

 

Week after the big race
Hi davey took the car out for a 40 mile drive the hestitation is slight but apparent on first 20miles getting worse in 6 th gear building the boost 3/4throttle the car started shaking bucking I eased off and all the engine check lights are on again The mechanic fitted my plugs ilfr7h No boost leaks etc

 

My car was 100 percent prior to the map My only conclusion is the map Did the lambda fail earlier and bob continued with the map! Who knows I need to come back up davey bob hasn't replied to my email I want to come the first day he's over and respectfully request if I arrive early he does my car first dut to distance I'm travelling I also want to drive my own car when he's remapping it I'll know then at the end of the session if it's right I have paid for new plug sand mechanic to fit them it's a couple hundred pound to travel up from cork And a day off work I don't have anymore money for bob the car has never been right after mapping You might confirm this is ok please davey so I can booktime off work Thanks Gary