Mappers and the whole experience
#151
Still no reading from the o2 sensor
Checked all wiring from sensor to ecu all okay
Have had a lot of pms and advice from
A lot of decent folk on here willing to help out and offering their services
Need to come up with a plan of action and get the car repaired once and for all
Checked all wiring from sensor to ecu all okay
Have had a lot of pms and advice from
A lot of decent folk on here willing to help out and offering their services
Need to come up with a plan of action and get the car repaired once and for all
As i have been unfortunate enough to find out myself, it only takes a bad earth or bad connection after fitting new parts and disturbing something to fry stuff.
#153
search for "GR Stumble" theres a few different places sell kits or you can mock up your own with some fuel pipe - but you need to get the map adjusted as well to account for the changes you've mode.
not all cars seem as badly effected as others tho so start with the basics make sure the car is in top condition and working as it should before you go throwing more parts at it.
not all cars seem as badly effected as others tho so start with the basics make sure the car is in top condition and working as it should before you go throwing more parts at it.
#154
sorry I had meant to post that in the other thread i think your on it there anyway, not sure it's applicable here hence I binned the post.
#157
gary I have not said the lambda takes an hour to work on a JDM I suggested you drive the car and monitor it for up to an hour to see if it would enable .. there is a difference.
Done a bit of digging .....
Regarding the second map session gary I apologise you did indeed pay £250 for a map tweak and associated travel. On arrival the car was smoke tested and your intercooler pipework was found to be leaking. The problem area had been highlighted to you as a risk at the first session and you had said that Rolly (your mechanic) would sort it out. There was no leak from the map sensor
Given it was impossible to determine when the condition developed a tweak session was necessary to go over it all again and ensure that the car would not be running lean on boost due to improved air flow after the leak was fixed. The risk was that it developed progressively as the figures of 431 bhp and 376 ft lb for the car being a 2 litre were very respectable and not indicative of any thing significant
So you are right about the cost .. but the necessity to do it was due to a car fault as it transpired and nothing to do with anything mapping related.
You are asking for a refund, I have no problem with refunding my mapping costs, just bring the car and I will revert the ecu to the condition it was in beforehand which would be putting the stock Subaru maps back into the car. You will gain from the EcuTek licence as that would stay in the ecu even so. You will have a free choice thereafter.
It seems that the car may still be going into limp mode though so it does have a problem and mapping won’t solve it .. if thats the case the ecu throws fuel in for safety and with your injectors being 1000 cc thats a lot, the limp settings are not mappable so it would be very excessive
You said that a smoke test has been done, might be worth doing again, also, I have found notes that you use NF octane booster as the 95 ron is all thats available in the South to you, if you have not been that consistent in maintaining the proportions of that used at mapping time then you could have problems, too much is as bad as too little, too little could cause the ecu to react enough and send it into limp mode.
have you checked that the connecting pipe between fuel pressure regulator is secure and intact, if not that will cause aver fueling on start and idle plus very lean running on boost
Just some suggestions as always .. you could have sent me another email and asked for further help ...
I am not taking what you have said about me personally as yet Gary, but it is uncalled for and I am allowing for the frustration you are feeling, as has been pointed out its not helping.
Done a bit of digging .....
Regarding the second map session gary I apologise you did indeed pay £250 for a map tweak and associated travel. On arrival the car was smoke tested and your intercooler pipework was found to be leaking. The problem area had been highlighted to you as a risk at the first session and you had said that Rolly (your mechanic) would sort it out. There was no leak from the map sensor
Given it was impossible to determine when the condition developed a tweak session was necessary to go over it all again and ensure that the car would not be running lean on boost due to improved air flow after the leak was fixed. The risk was that it developed progressively as the figures of 431 bhp and 376 ft lb for the car being a 2 litre were very respectable and not indicative of any thing significant
So you are right about the cost .. but the necessity to do it was due to a car fault as it transpired and nothing to do with anything mapping related.
You are asking for a refund, I have no problem with refunding my mapping costs, just bring the car and I will revert the ecu to the condition it was in beforehand which would be putting the stock Subaru maps back into the car. You will gain from the EcuTek licence as that would stay in the ecu even so. You will have a free choice thereafter.
It seems that the car may still be going into limp mode though so it does have a problem and mapping won’t solve it .. if thats the case the ecu throws fuel in for safety and with your injectors being 1000 cc thats a lot, the limp settings are not mappable so it would be very excessive
You said that a smoke test has been done, might be worth doing again, also, I have found notes that you use NF octane booster as the 95 ron is all thats available in the South to you, if you have not been that consistent in maintaining the proportions of that used at mapping time then you could have problems, too much is as bad as too little, too little could cause the ecu to react enough and send it into limp mode.
have you checked that the connecting pipe between fuel pressure regulator is secure and intact, if not that will cause aver fueling on start and idle plus very lean running on boost
Just some suggestions as always .. you could have sent me another email and asked for further help ...
I am not taking what you have said about me personally as yet Gary, but it is uncalled for and I am allowing for the frustration you are feeling, as has been pointed out its not helping.
#159
Again, get it checked out and find the fault ans fix wether it be by bob/mm or another garage/mapper and find out whos liable with written detailed invoice etc and either pass that onto bob/mm or pay yourself depending on the findings
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I had a terrible experience with Duncan Graham , see
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...hemselves.html
which lead me into the self mapping of the ESL on my version 1.
The problem i find with mappers is they map for full throttle only, ive spent in hrs probably 6 hrs fine tuning my car so its great at all levels, partial throttle, full throttle, cruising etc etc , its all well and good having a car that is great only when you plant the throttle but theres alot of driving that goes on between that stage !
My initial map by the "pro" was about 30 mins and it left the car running worse than when i gave it him, if you read the thread you will see why.
I get not all can self map but if you can id suggest you do
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...hemselves.html
which lead me into the self mapping of the ESL on my version 1.
The problem i find with mappers is they map for full throttle only, ive spent in hrs probably 6 hrs fine tuning my car so its great at all levels, partial throttle, full throttle, cruising etc etc , its all well and good having a car that is great only when you plant the throttle but theres alot of driving that goes on between that stage !
My initial map by the "pro" was about 30 mins and it left the car running worse than when i gave it him, if you read the thread you will see why.
I get not all can self map but if you can id suggest you do
I have witnessed his work in a friends STI The car currently resides in a garage with cracked heads and ring lands.
#170
Sitting pretty in a Golf Mk1 1.6TD totally refirbed almost everything inside and out bumper to bumper... only got the rear brakes to look at now and get a set of Bilstiens fitted and it'll be like a new car at a fraction of the cost of a Subaru... spent around £500 on it.
Done all the work myself including fueling... got to love a Bosch fuel pump... none of this mapping nonsense required.... ish 110bhp 800kg and more smiles than I've had in 13yrs of Subaru ownership.
Retro is the way forward.
Raggy give up and move on mate... life's too short for all this hassle... My advice to anyone re Subarus... buy it, leave it standard and enjoy it for what it is.
Simple.
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P.S No one is forcing you to read them.
#177
Of course and no question you continue to make worthwhile contributions, but I just find it odd that someone would regularly post on a Subaru enthusiasts' forum that they are much happier without a Subaru.
Anyhow let's live and let live, we're all free to express our views here.
Anyhow let's live and let live, we're all free to express our views here.
#179
Of course and no question you continue to make worthwhile contributions, but I just find it odd that someone would regularly post on a Subaru enthusiasts' forum that they are much happier without a Subaru.
Anyhow let's live and let live, we're all free to express our views here.
Anyhow let's live and let live, we're all free to express our views here.
There's also a lot of sharks around the Subaru scene raping enthusiasts... with little to no comeback when things go wrong.
All of that coupled with the expense of ownership just made me decide it was time to call it quits and go in another direction.
As they say "A change is as good as a rest" ultimately I'm very pleased I did.
Have a look at my Golf MK1 project thread which I'll be up dating and you'll either get it or you won't.