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Old 02 November 2020 | 03:53 PM
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Vehicle Autonomy is big business in the UK. A significant improvement in road safety coming
Yeah, huge road safety improvement...

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Yeah, huge road safety improvement...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKlp...ature=emb_logo

It is still in beta, so don't expect it to be perfect. In-fact, never expect it to be perfect.

I believe an automotive engineer once said,

' It doesn't have to be perfect, just better than a you'

I use my adaptive cruise to oversee, that I constantly remain 2 secs or more from the vehicle in front. On motorways, I let it have autosteering too, because it can see all four sides of my vehicle simultaneously. I have used pre beta Auto nav and was surprised how well it worked, despite its short comings in function.
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More interesting EV news

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Default Tipping point has occurred in Europe

New registrations of electric vehicle were higher than diesel new car registrations

Significant milestone
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Gasoline's where its at
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Gasoline's where its at
Not for too much longer. Norway will eradicate ICE in just a few years. Other countries including UK will bring forward banning ICE hopefully before 2030
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Bentley will stop making any ICE vehicles in 2030 moving to pure electric

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Audi's take on the Porsche Taycan turbo is the Etron GT. Its got some nice features, destroys both RS6 and RS7 for straight line performance.

Executive electric hypercar coming spring 2021
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How many folk on here drive a Bentley ?

id suggest completley irrelevent
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How many folk on here drive a Bentley ?

id suggest completley irrelevent
You're missing the point.

A luxury brand is having to follow the main stream of electrification of its cars to be able to compete in the future. Bentley will be releasing new cars with hybrid in a year or so, then phase those out to pure electric for 2030.

Internal combustion technology is of now, rapidly becoming obsolete. Yes there will be the odd diehard and classic owners of ICE cars, but majority are shifting to electric. The growth numbers are there compared to slumping ICE sales.

Its difficult to say how rapidly when the EV take up curve is going near vertical. 2030 might be too late for Bentley or they just buy in established tech of that time to catch up.
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Bentley will stop making any ICE vehicles in 2030 moving to pure electric

If they get any heavier they’ll have to take a class 7 MOT (over 3000kg gross). Boot full of batteries should help.

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I will add that the average Bentley does well below 5000 miles per annum. And spend most of their lives in a garage. So a sub 100 mile range would probably suit most. Probably could get away with a 50mile range.

Although have taken a loaned Continental T on a trans Euro road trip, and it was awesome...even managed better mpg than my Impreza. Such a waste of good car for them to sit under car covers and totter down to fancy wine bars once in every blue moon.
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Originally Posted by andy97
You're missing the point.

A luxury brand is having to follow the main stream of electrification of its cars to be able to compete in the future. Bentley will be releasing new cars with hybrid in a year or so, then phase those out to pure electric for 2030.

Internal combustion technology is of now, rapidly becoming obsolete. Yes there will be the odd diehard and classic owners of ICE cars, but majority are shifting to electric. The growth numbers are there compared to slumping ICE sales.

Its difficult to say how rapidly when the EV take up curve is going near vertical. 2030 might be too late for Bentley or they just buy in established tech of that time to catch up.
It's more to do with small volume manufacturers and average CO2 figures across all sales in the EU. Its the same reason why the STI is no longer available in Europe. All low volume sports car manufacturers have pretty much no option other than move to electric/hybrid because they don't have any low CO2 models to offset the performance cars. Aston tried to do it a few years ago with the Cygnet, but they could never sell enough to bring the average down.
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The major manufacturers are paying Tesla hundreds of millions per year buying their carbon credits.

Effectively building all of Tesla's Giga factories for free, enabling Tesla to increase their production volumes.

All they needed to do was make Evs instead of prevaricate about the benefits of renewable transport
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oh , and simply bulldoze governments / public into providing the infrastructure to actually enable it to be useful
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The major manufacturers are paying Tesla hundreds of millions per year buying their carbon credits.

Effectively building all of Tesla's Giga factories for free, enabling Tesla to increase their production volumes.

All they needed to do was make Evs instead of prevaricate about the benefits of renewable transport

that kind of smells , rather like growing huge new plantations thousands of miles away in our name
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Tesla sales 300% up from last year in the UK Tesla Giga China supplying world wide now. Tesla Europe Giga well on the way to completion. EV sales now world wide accelerating with double digit market share just about everywhere.

Tesla most Googled vehicles for new purchase.
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Strange , its certainly not 1 in 10 round here

why dont they bulid a budget car btw ??
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Strange , its certainly not 1 in 10 round here

why dont they bulid a budget car btw ??
Originally Posted by IdonthaveaScooby
Strange , its certainly not 1 in 10 round here

why dont they bulid a budget car btw ??
Anecdotal evidence there DPB

​​​​​​​I suppose its because lots of folk are queuing to buy what they already sell, without ever spending a penny on advertising.
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I’m just going from what I’m seeing everyday ...!

It’s mostly small tin boxes of 1.1 l petrol or daft American SUV

and hybrids

I would say Tesla perhaps 1 in 50
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Tesla has head hunted Mercedes Benz's production plant chief to oversee Giga factory development. Trade unions are not best pleased, given Mercedes is laying off workers
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Been a lot in the news lately for Hydrogen truck and delivery vehicle development. Hydrogen development is really starting to gather pace.
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And there you have it


https://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adv...-hole/a1426081
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Oh gawd here comes the pay per mile shenanigans again

Did politicians forget how unpopular increased road taxes are with the electorate from the last time they dabbled with the idea of tolls and black boxes etc.

When will there be a day of reckoning when they realise they represent us and not the coffers?

If that £40billion annual income was spent on transport infrastructure every year from 1997 onwards (the point at which major road projects were cancelled en-masse without substitution towards alternative transport ) we would not have the issues we face today.
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Oh gawd here comes the pay per mile shenanigans again

Did politicians forget how unpopular increased road taxes are with the electorate from the last time they dabbled with the idea of tolls and black boxes etc.

When will there be a day of reckoning when they realise they represent us and not the coffers?

If that £40billion annual income was spent on transport infrastructure every year from 1997 onwards (the point at which major road projects were cancelled en-masse without substitution towards alternative transport ) we would not have the issues we face today.
It is inevitable as tax revenue from fuel sales drops, the shortfall has to come from somewhere.
There will either be a pay-per-mile scheme or they will tax the electricity for charging.
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....And by doing so punish the public whilst not providing an alternative.

I suspect that was always the intention; By not spending money on transport alternatives for the past 23 or so years. Combined with a growing population with less local jobs and amenities to commute to/from. Successive governments have passively encouraged increased private transport and therefore the extra tax revenue gained from it. They made the public become over-reliant on it and in doing so have no choice but to cough up.

Of course the UK should never have relied so heavily on road/fuel tax to fund non-transport expenditure...IIRC only 25% of tax from road transport income goes back, the rest goes elsewhere and squandered on welfare, pensions etc.

Just being facetious but I wonder how China imports only amounts £47billion yet road tax/fuel duty amounts to £40billion? Considering every person that uses a car has a multitude of items of Chinese origin; Is that import data derived by direct imports and not by non-Chinese companies manufacturing goods or using internal components from there (Apple, Sony, HP etc.)?

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Owning a Tesla model s over several hundred thousand miles is significantly cheaper than ICE.

This fella has had more than his share of bad luck, but I suppose its down to buying a very early model when Tesla was still a fledgling manufacturer.

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Just listened to LBC, Nick Ferrari(apt name) call him NF

It seems to only just filtered down to them that 2030 is the newer date for removing new ICE from UK roads. The first few speaking guess were in support with vast practical experience of EVs. One phone in commentator has been driving electric vehicles for 15 years. He commented on how cheap and emission(tailpipe) free they were and commented on his 160 mile drive today would cost £3.50.

NF jumped on the 20 min charge to get 80% saying its takes me 5 mins to fill my diesel.

Another caller Charlie Boardman (rode a EV Harley with some actor) through south America charging only on electric from local home supplies.

Then the idiots were given their chance. First old duffer, rapid charging these slow charge batteries will wreck them in no time and need replacing. He did begrudgingly agree that fossil fuels needed to be phased out, just not so soon

Next muppet, woman saying her daughter was extremely environmental concerned, so they went to look at a new electric car, but found it costs more to insure a new driver than an old ICE car. So they put their environmental conscience in the boot of the ICE car

Last uniformed muppet waffled on about the making of EVs costs a lot more and children were being enslaved to dig for rare elements so they weren't green. Again when confronted about need to phase out ICE fossil cars etc, he said we should use hydrogen cos its much greener, but was left speechless with 95% hydrogen come from Methane was mentioned.


UK think tank recommends that 2026 should be the cut off for new ICE bans. This is due to the long withering tail of ICE still on the roads after that.

But some good news pay per mile journeys are coming soon for everyone,

That will cut down the unnecessary 1 mile kid drop off school runs and trips to Maccy Ds
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I can see the "environmental" aspect youre talking about when im on the bike with the smell

what should be promoted is more biking and public transport - not more cars ev or otherwise
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