WTF is Trump doing - re-election and USPS scandal
13 January 2021, 04:08 PM
#181
That's an interesting chart.
Also interesting is Washington Post and NYT which have been called fake news by Trump are regarded as reliable, or be it marginally left leaning.
Wheras his preferred networks notably Fox are hyper partisan right and low reliability.
Thanks for clearing that all up for us.
From the last post you seem to be pivoting to saying yea, he's a bit of a twit but look at these (very few and very debatable) good things. That's just setting the bar low. America deserves better.
Also interesting is Washington Post and NYT which have been called fake news by Trump are regarded as reliable, or be it marginally left leaning.
Wheras his preferred networks notably Fox are hyper partisan right and low reliability.
Thanks for clearing that all up for us.
From the last post you seem to be pivoting to saying yea, he's a bit of a twit but look at these (very few and very debatable) good things. That's just setting the bar low. America deserves better.
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13 January 2021, 04:55 PM
#182
Scooby Regular
That's an interesting chart.
Also interesting is Washington Post and NYT which have been called fake news by Trump are regarded as reliable, or be it marginally left leaning.
Wheras his preferred networks notably Fox are hyper partisan right and low reliability.
Thanks for clearing that all up for us.
From the last post you seem to be pivoting to saying yea, he's a bit of a twit but look at these (very few and very debatable) good things. That's just setting the bar low. America deserves better.
Also interesting is Washington Post and NYT which have been called fake news by Trump are regarded as reliable, or be it marginally left leaning.
Wheras his preferred networks notably Fox are hyper partisan right and low reliability.
Thanks for clearing that all up for us.
From the last post you seem to be pivoting to saying yea, he's a bit of a twit but look at these (very few and very debatable) good things. That's just setting the bar low. America deserves better.
he's a bit of a twit, yep, does america deserve better? yep, But biden and the dems are no better, i would say worse by their own actions.
and i think thats the whole thing. trump is the least worse they have at the min.
13 January 2021, 05:02 PM
#183
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https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-...ia-bias-chart/
have a look there, you'll see most of the considered 'main stream' media is on the left. I suspect you'll find if you go look into it deep trump is more centre than you think.
The parris accord and the iran deal is debatable as not all countrys were following the rules (India, china and the US it has to be said, amongst others). So why stay in a greement that people arn't bothering to follow? so i can understand why he did pull out, do i agree with it? i dunno, i have to conffess i don't knwo the full ins and outs (which can be said for most people) of the parris accord. But given iran is suposed to still be following the agreement yet has totaly ignored it and carried on shows how inefectual the agreement was.
By moving the embasssy he allowed other agreemtns to be reached, he was nominated for a nobl peace prize 3 times iirc for these. the middle easy is a total **** show and saying that single move put the peace procccess back is debateable as its been in the same unstable state for a long time.
Uh have you tried our royal mail recently? trumps had nothing to do with that and its a **** show. and he has no direct control over it.
The BLM movement has been ritoing for months and there is a growing feeling of people having enough, yet i dont see you calling them out, they have been funded by the dems (as mentioned above) and even told to riot by pelosi (again linked above but you wont accept it). Funding vs words? i know which is worse. It also begs the question is it a reaction to the lack of action stopping the riots by BLM? The more you push, the harder people push back.
Alot of the internal damaging stuff is based on opinion of the dems (which you seem to be the mouth peace of with what yoru saying), employment before covid was the lowest in the US it had been for years, the economy was booming yet you say thats bad? again thats what the dems are saying. How is low unemplyment and good economy bad? short version it isn't and is good even for the poorer parts of society.
have a look there, you'll see most of the considered 'main stream' media is on the left. I suspect you'll find if you go look into it deep trump is more centre than you think.
The parris accord and the iran deal is debatable as not all countrys were following the rules (India, china and the US it has to be said, amongst others). So why stay in a greement that people arn't bothering to follow? so i can understand why he did pull out, do i agree with it? i dunno, i have to conffess i don't knwo the full ins and outs (which can be said for most people) of the parris accord. But given iran is suposed to still be following the agreement yet has totaly ignored it and carried on shows how inefectual the agreement was.
By moving the embasssy he allowed other agreemtns to be reached, he was nominated for a nobl peace prize 3 times iirc for these. the middle easy is a total **** show and saying that single move put the peace procccess back is debateable as its been in the same unstable state for a long time.
Uh have you tried our royal mail recently? trumps had nothing to do with that and its a **** show. and he has no direct control over it.
The BLM movement has been ritoing for months and there is a growing feeling of people having enough, yet i dont see you calling them out, they have been funded by the dems (as mentioned above) and even told to riot by pelosi (again linked above but you wont accept it). Funding vs words? i know which is worse. It also begs the question is it a reaction to the lack of action stopping the riots by BLM? The more you push, the harder people push back.
Alot of the internal damaging stuff is based on opinion of the dems (which you seem to be the mouth peace of with what yoru saying), employment before covid was the lowest in the US it had been for years, the economy was booming yet you say thats bad? again thats what the dems are saying. How is low unemplyment and good economy bad? short version it isn't and is good even for the poorer parts of society.
First up, what is left and right in US politics is not left and right in world politics. Given US politics is somewhat right of center in comparison to the UK, a slight media bias to the left would actually put them central in UK politics. In the link you posted, what is perhaps more significant is that the majority of the MSM are at the top of the chart indicating that the news source is highly reliable and the bias skew of those at the top of the chart is very minimal - not that I'm discounting it! The video channel of the two lawyers you posted doesn't seem to be on that graphic, so I would be very skeptical of their opinion if it is not backed up by what the reliable MSM, or even mostly reliable MSM is saying whether they lean left or right! I would generally agree with you that Trump himself is not on the far right, his policies generally reflect the whole spread of the Republican party, from the moderate centrists to the Tea Party, but not really far right. He does however court the far right groups and by failing to condemn them gives their voice a legitimacy and a number of his statements have been easily interpreted as a call to arms for those groups.
As for Iran, they were sticking to the agreement until the US pulled out. The US also placed sanctions on Iran that meant that other countries could not fully uphold the terms of the agreement which in turn gave Iran the scope to break the deal on their side and re-start their nuclear program. Prior to Trump pulling the US out of the deal, Iran was cooperating ever more closely with the West and the relationship was very positive. Since pulling out, Iran has again further distanced itself from the West fueling instability.
As for the Nobel peace prize, Trump has only been nominated twice, once in 2018 for his efforts with North Korea, which he did not win and the second time is for this years award for general efforts towards world peace which the results will not be know until the Autumn, although I would suggest it will be very unlikely that he will win. In both cases he was nominated by a far right Norwegian politician. For reference, any elected politician or state leader, any university professor, any previous winner and a number of other designated groups can nominate, so getting a nomination is not really that difficult. Hitler was even nominated for the prize and Stalin received two nominations! So by this achievement, you can say that Trump is slightly better than Hitler and on a par with Stalin! Also, neither of his nominations are linked to the moving of the embassy, and whilst Trump may have announced the peace deal with Israel and the UAE, he had little to no involvement in it and also bear in mind that the UAE is anyway more aligned with the West than the rest of the Arab nations.
As for BLM rioting, i'm not calling them out because that is not the basis of my argument. I'm not condoning them either! There is never any excuse for rioting from any side. With this argument, you should also consider the context of how the riots started, in some cases unprovoked and inexcusable, but in most cases, the riots started after otherwise peaceful protests were provoked by heavy handed police controls and antagonism from counter protests by the Proud Boys and groups of Trump supporters - Yes, that's no excuse, but is a long way away from rioting without provocation.
Regarding funding vs words, which is worse depends on which is more useful. Many of the right wing groups are anyway well funded but lack the legitimacy, so the words of the President are arguably the most valuable gift in the world. For left wing groups, they often have a more legitimate cause but lack funding, so funding is more valuable to them however usually still insufficient to make much of a difference. In the end, despite democrat funding to BLM, they have achieved nothing in re-balancing the racial divide in the US, yet Trump has a well funded and well armed and legitimised army ready to do battle! Now tell me again which is more dangerous?
14 January 2021, 09:19 AM
#186
I'm sure there are some fine Republican candidates even if i don't agree with their ideology.
Trump made it into the job because of his narcissistic personality disorder rather than inspite of it. That's a problem with the system.
14 January 2021, 09:26 AM
#187
tbh press reliability seems to be pretty pish poor all over.
he's a bit of a twit, yep, does america deserve better? yep, But biden and the dems are no better, i would say worse by their own actions.
and i think thats the whole thing. trump is the least worse they have at the min.
he's a bit of a twit, yep, does america deserve better? yep, But biden and the dems are no better, i would say worse by their own actions.
and i think thats the whole thing. trump is the least worse they have at the min.
He has been impeached twice, several of his advisors/associates have been prosecuted for criminal offences, it is likely that he will face criminal charges himself, certainly at the State level, possibly Federal, once he is out of office. Compare that to Biden's record (or Obama, or most other presidents or VPs, let's be honest).
On a more general note, the economy has done far better under Democrat administrations than Republican ones, there has been significantly more corruption under the Republicans. OK, Lincoln was a republican, you can have that one
14 January 2021, 09:43 AM
#189
Scooby Regular
No better? Really? So you think someone who is respected across both parties, who has had years of political experience, served as VP for two terms under a very successful administration is no better than a proven racist, lying, misogynistic, riot inducing incompetent, bumbling idiot?
He has been impeached twice, several of his advisors/associates have been prosecuted for criminal offences, it is likely that he will face criminal charges himself, certainly at the State level, possibly Federal, once he is out of office. Compare that to Biden's record (or Obama, or most other presidents or VPs, let's be honest).
On a more general note, the economy has done far better under Democrat administrations than Republican ones, there has been significantly more corruption under the Republicans. OK, Lincoln was a republican, you can have that one
He has been impeached twice, several of his advisors/associates have been prosecuted for criminal offences, it is likely that he will face criminal charges himself, certainly at the State level, possibly Federal, once he is out of office. Compare that to Biden's record (or Obama, or most other presidents or VPs, let's be honest).
On a more general note, the economy has done far better under Democrat administrations than Republican ones, there has been significantly more corruption under the Republicans. OK, Lincoln was a republican, you can have that one
14 January 2021, 09:44 AM
#190
Scooby Regular
That's a stretch who could possibly argue that in a country of 300+ million they can't come up with a better candidate?
I'm sure there are some fine Republican candidates even if i don't agree with their ideology.
Trump made it into the job because of his narcissistic personality disorder rather than inspite of it. That's a problem with the system.
I'm sure there are some fine Republican candidates even if i don't agree with their ideology.
Trump made it into the job because of his narcissistic personality disorder rather than inspite of it. That's a problem with the system.
and now your going off into opinion again. how many people voted for him?
14 January 2021, 09:51 AM
#191
Climate change, no serious sceientist denies that, yet for Trump it's just a fabrication.
Lots voted for him, but in my opinion they were beguiled in the same manner a cult leader does beguiles his followers.
And that's my point, being a very good cult leader is unlikely to be an indicator of being a successful president.
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14 January 2021, 10:01 AM
#192
Scooby Regular
I assumed i am allowed to have an opinion? What else is there? Facts are hard to come by these days. Someone like Trump finds it casually easy to toss them out anyway.
Climate change, no serious sceientist denies that, yet for Trump it's just a fabrication.
Lots voted for him, but in my opinion they were beguiled in the same manner a cult leader does beguiles his followers.
And that's my point, being a very good cult leader is unlikely to be an indicator of being a successful president.
Climate change, no serious sceientist denies that, yet for Trump it's just a fabrication.
Lots voted for him, but in my opinion they were beguiled in the same manner a cult leader does beguiles his followers.
And that's my point, being a very good cult leader is unlikely to be an indicator of being a successful president.
14 January 2021, 10:04 AM
#193
Apart from the fact that they are unfounded allegations, no real evidence, even if they turned out to be partially or totally true, it's like saying "Churchill was as bad as Hitler because of the famine"
Here's some info about "Ukraine..........."
You would have been at the Capitol, wouldn't you?
Here's some info about "Ukraine..........."
Hunter Biden is a lawyer whose career previously included a period as an executive vice-president at MBNA and three years at the United States Department of Commerce. He then worked as a lobbyist until 2006, when George W. Bush appointed him to the board of directors of Amtrak, a post from which he resigned in February 2009, shortly after the inauguration of Barack Obama, when his father Joe Biden became vice-president. He resumed lobbying, and was counsel at the law firm Boies Schiller Flexner LLP, until the Ukrainian oil and gas firm Burisma Holdings hired him. As he had no prior experience in the energy sector, some viewed this as a likely attempt to buy influence via his father, and advisors to the Obama administration considered the situation awkward.
The conspiracy theory holds that Burisma used his position to influence then-vice president Joe Biden, who subsequently conditioned the release of $1 billion in US government aid on a requirement that Ukraine fire its prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin (who held this post from February 2015 until March 2016, to prevent the company from being investigated for corruption. This narrative is inconsistent with contemporaneous reports and has repeatedly been found to be false. It was asserted that Hunter Biden's employment was suspicious because of his lack of expertise in the energy industry, though he is a lawyer who was hired to consult on "transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion and other priorities" rather than on energy matters. No evidence has been found showing Hunter Biden engaged in influence peddling with his father. While Vice President Biden did withhold $1 billion in government aid to Ukraine in 2015, he did this as a matter of American and international policy to induce Ukraine to remove a corrupt and ineffective prosecutor, not to prevent an investigation into Burisma. Shokin had failed to launch a serious investigation into the affairs of the country's corrupt oligarchs, including Burisma's founder Mykola Zlochevsky.
The conspiracy theory holds that Burisma used his position to influence then-vice president Joe Biden, who subsequently conditioned the release of $1 billion in US government aid on a requirement that Ukraine fire its prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin (who held this post from February 2015 until March 2016, to prevent the company from being investigated for corruption. This narrative is inconsistent with contemporaneous reports and has repeatedly been found to be false. It was asserted that Hunter Biden's employment was suspicious because of his lack of expertise in the energy industry, though he is a lawyer who was hired to consult on "transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion and other priorities" rather than on energy matters. No evidence has been found showing Hunter Biden engaged in influence peddling with his father. While Vice President Biden did withhold $1 billion in government aid to Ukraine in 2015, he did this as a matter of American and international policy to induce Ukraine to remove a corrupt and ineffective prosecutor, not to prevent an investigation into Burisma. Shokin had failed to launch a serious investigation into the affairs of the country's corrupt oligarchs, including Burisma's founder Mykola Zlochevsky.
14 January 2021, 10:20 AM
#195
Scooby Regular
Apart from the fact that they are unfounded allegations, no real evidence, even if they turned out to be partially or totally true, it's like saying "Churchill was as bad as Hitler because of the famine"
Here's some info about "Ukraine..........."
You would have been at the Capitol, wouldn't you?
Here's some info about "Ukraine..........."
You would have been at the Capitol, wouldn't you?
good to see you have assuming im a trump supporter, if you read further up you'll see i think he's a twit, the whole point i've been making all along is the double standards. Which you have just confirmed. Prety much ends the thread lol
14 January 2021, 10:33 AM
#197
Excusing Biden for what? He hasn't done anything (that we know of )
He's a twit doesn't really cut it, does it? Why can't you say "he's a racist, lying, cheating, mysoginistic, narcissistic, incompetent son of a Klansman". I know plenty of people you could call a twit (possibly even Biden, we will see), but none of them are Trump, or even close
)He's a twit doesn't really cut it, does it? Why can't you say "he's a racist, lying, cheating, mysoginistic, narcissistic, incompetent son of a Klansman". I know plenty of people you could call a twit (possibly even Biden, we will see), but none of them are Trump, or even close
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14 January 2021, 10:37 AM
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He must know he has been a naughty boy if he is asking if he can pardon himself.
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14 January 2021, 11:00 AM
#200
Even Nixon had the decency to resign, he said he needed to put America's interests above his own, and up to now, he was the archetypal Republican crook (or any party really), so for anyone to not utterly denounce him, and try and say that he is as only as bad as anyone else, is tacit acceptance of his behaviour, nothing less.
If, in 4 years, if Biden has been impeached (twice), called for riots, had several members of his cadre indicted and imprisoned, then someone saying I am being hypocritical will have a point, but until such time, they absolutely do not.
If, in 4 years, if Biden has been impeached (twice), called for riots, had several members of his cadre indicted and imprisoned, then someone saying I am being hypocritical will have a point, but until such time, they absolutely do not.
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14 January 2021, 11:28 AM
#201
you can say what you like side with who you like, but the double standards are asstounding , 2 years they argued about voting fraud when trump won, with no proof, then trump moans prooves that DEAD PEOPLE VOTED FFS HELL EVEN A ASSISTANCE DOG VOTED , a lorry driver was interviewed and said he was pushed from pillar to post with his trailer full of votes, so they would be late and not counted, and the people say yeh and. but bla bla bla ONLY IN AMERICA FOLKS as per the rocky film , and before the spelling police come on i spelt asstounding wrong n purpose
14 January 2021, 11:49 AM
#202
you can say what you like side with who you like, but the double standards are asstounding , 2 years they argued about voting fraud when trump won, with no proof, then trump moans prooves that DEAD PEOPLE VOTED FFS HELL EVEN A ASSISTANCE DOG VOTED , a lorry driver was interviewed and said he was pushed from pillar to post with his trailer full of votes, so they would be late and not counted, and the people say yeh and. but bla bla bla ONLY IN AMERICA FOLKS as per the rocky film , and before the spelling police come on i spelt asstounding wrong n purpose
Who argued about voter fraud for 2 years? I don't recall that at all, but admittedly, it's possible it wasn't as public, and wasn't pushed by the loser (and even if Hillary did think so, she still conceded). As for actual voter fraud, there were several cases found in the 2020 election, and IIRC, they were all Republicans
14 January 2021, 11:51 AM
#203
Scooby Regular
Lol just about the most desperate trumpist assertion
ONE single allegation brought in a lawsuit for a dead person voting in the entire state Michigan , for example
ONE single allegation brought in a lawsuit for a dead person voting in the entire state Michigan , for example
14 January 2021, 03:07 PM
#204
And if I remember, the dead person was not dead at all......it was the wife of the deceased who vote, who went by Ms [dead husbands name]. As said above....an audit was done at the behest of the GOP and a couple of cases of fraud did come back: from republican voters lol
15 January 2021, 10:46 AM
#207
Scooby Senior
Funny how the guy who claimed fraud 4 years ago and subsequently became president was unable to change the system in the last four years to prevent fraud! Actually, if you listen to Trump, the election fraud has gotten even worse under his watch!
