Yea the M2 with the N55 was a bit of a disappointment. The 140i with the b58 is faster stock for stock & mod for mod in a straight line. But even the non Comp M2 would surely have been better then the E92 M3 ?

The M2 Comp is on another level performance wise with the full fat M engine.

I say they should have had called it the 2M same as the older 1M coupe that never got the full M engine. Then the comp should have been the "M" 2.

Timing is only way to know for sure & be able to compare with others. Also good to see what any improvements change.

 

Driven a few golf r's too various stages of tune. Never an estate tho. Very fast, competant cars. Only downside for me was the brakes didnt feel up to it's performance.

Farr better car than an S3 as much as they are the same the golf just felt better.

 

As this topic is expending i will add my bit , 2 litre sti jdm wagon , liked the car but lots of lag , it was about 340 bhp but not much torque , i also had an 04 forster sti 300 bhp a lot more torque , in every situation off the line or already up to speed the fsti was way quicker , my friends 2.5 spec d that had been re mapped was still slower than the fsti , (a bit of lag i expect ) 2 litre lack torque add a big turbo it’s great for top end but not as good for normal every day driving , yes you can stroke it sports cat and or de cat , my newer fsti still the standard small turbo plus a sports cat and map , maybe around 330 ish bhp , off the line i’ve kept up with an m2 he was trying , it’s the same sort of 0 to 60 as a 140 bmw , (40k£ brand new ) yes there are faster cars out there but they are ££££ but you have a 12k£ fsti that in real road performance is as quick as a lot of modern fast cars , fourth gear 80 to a 100 is four seconds and it’s four wheel drive good in all weather including the snow ( with my snow tyres &#128513 a 140 will just be spinning it’s wheels , the quick bmw merc and audis are more and more being made as a four wheel drive , the cost of an audi rs6 i would expect it to be quicker but they are 93k £ or more , subaru lots of character mine quite good mpg , a quick but yes slightly older car but a very good all rounder , the horses for courses as to what scooby or other car you want but i still say that a scooby is a good competitor against modern fast cars , the 2019 golf 4 says 0 to 60 in 4.5 in real terms there is nothing in it which i’ve can confirm lol , golf r and the a45 both quick but also known to be a bit uneventful and boring , i am a confessed fsti hoarder 🤣 with three of them , i have two large v8 the older more muscle car version a 5.7 440 bhp and with as much foot pound , it is much more fun even if slower than the more modern version a 6.2 with 500 bhp and as much foot pound , i expect the fsti is as quick as either of the v8 cars maybe faster ? it damp conditions for sure much quicker

 

Bit pointless comparing 0-60 in a powerful 2wd car.

Although i have seen some 140i in the 3's which is crazy fast for rwd hatchback. It also cost closer to 30k brand new with the massive dealer contributions BMW offered at time. Thats why 100-200kmh is becoming so popular as 0-60 is pretty much a traction excercise.

That same 80-100mph is coved in half the time the fozzy does. Doing it in only 2 secs, my mapped fozzy did it in 5 secs timed with GPS but tht still has a cat. If doing it with a clock & the speedo then is hugely inaccurate.

The OG M2 (the non - comp) is slower than the 140i in a straight line. Stock vs stock & mod for mod.

Like you says the Fozzy is faster due to that low down torque the 40i is making almost 500FT,LBS by 2krpm and pulls to the 7k Redline & isnt much heavier plus less drivetrain losses.

Only the latest Rs3 FL & A45 S can come close hatchback wise.


Yes an Sti/Fsti can be had for alot less than a 140i. But 2nd hand 40i are now around 17k

 

I don't want to feed the trolls too much so have avoided making comments on most of the rubbish in this thread already.

I own Impreza's because I want to. I enjoy them, the sound, the way they look, the way others look at them, the Sunday morning country road blast and embarrassing the Porsches on a wet track day. Yes, they do lack technology on the newer models and have lost pace with rivals performance wise, but 99% of people don't care about that because they have character and are iconic.

Are BMW's & Golf's good cars? Sure they are. Do they have character, do people stop in the car park to talk to you about them, do they stand out from the crowd? Absolutely not.

For anyone more interested in brands other than Subaru's, I suggest you **** off to their forums and leave the rest of us to get on with enjoying this one!

 

A dry road and rear wheel drive it is pretty quick 4.7 or so on a NA 6.2 , a standard supercharged 6.2 with drag radials on a drag strip is 2.8 0 to 60 , but in the real world it’s not going to get that traction issues , cars are horses for courses boring if we had the same car lol , having a 0 to national speed is where it’s more important , quicker reactions is where it really counts as a fsti v a rs6 if i’m off the line quicker he’s playing catch up , 12k v 93k , when you are up to speed then you may do a short bit of boot, but you rapidly get into loose licence land and not worth it , i know what ever the conditions are with four wheel drive my 0 to 60 unless i’m in snow , is the same , where as rear wheel or front wheel it’s not , nissan gt-r in non launch mode is around 4 seconds , launch mode can cause issues around the clutch and box ££££££ and on older cars the warranty , so it goes back to real time road driving and then all cars become a lot more equal , being 1 or 1.5 seconds quicker to 60 is a fair amount but who says it will work that way at the time ? 😁 labouring on a monaro is supposed to be slower than it’s younger mustang cousin , mines definitely not 🤣

 

This ^^^^^^^^^^
There's literally 100's of 140i's and Golf R's advertised , sheep need to get queuing.
And go electric if you want to time your runs.

 

completely agree mate, it’s the looks as sounds that do it for me. It’s only Jamesfromrugby that keeps criticising them so hopefully the mods will ban him (again) in the not to distant future.

 

I'd say most folk do care which is why the Model has died, they spoke with their wallet.

Had they bothered to even attempt to keep up it might still be here.

The reason for the early ones being so popuplar, why pay more for a car that does less (performance wise) ?

 

Their popularity only shows how good they are if so many people are buying them. The X-Drive 140i with a basic tune & decat would be running the same time & faster than pretty much all electric cars south of 100k and the latest RS3 even faster still. If you want to time a stock car with warranty buy electric tho that's true.

 

An RS6 would absolutly destroy a Fozzy & its almost a half tonne heavier. They run 11.5 & 0-60 in mid 3's if your quicker off the line he's passed u before your into 2nd... & a software only 140i would destroy the RS6 from anything above 40mph nvn a decatted one.

Also only the early GTR boxes were weak any modern one could be launched as much as u like back to back. Same with pretty much any new car at stock power.

The consistancy with any modern AWD auto is also pretty much unbeatable.

I have my Fozzy Sti & enjoy it for what it is but it's far from a fast car compared to any modern motor.

When I 1st had my old sti on stock turbo it could keep up with my mates RS3 fresh out the box, now only 6 years later a fresh RS3 would have destroy it even after "Bolting on big turbo" (The Topic of this Thread) & going 450+ bhp.......

 

So, aside from my passion for cars, I'm also an avid football fan.
For my sins, I'm a Spurs supporter. Why? Because it is where my family are from and I was indoctrinated from a young age!
Spurs are not the best team in the world, or even the country, but I support them none the less. I can appreciate that other clubs sometimes play more attractive football or are more defensively sound, but it doesn't make me want to support them.
So I'll stick with my club through the highs and the lows and I'll let the fan boys jump from club to club, hoping for glory but never feeling part of a club.

 

so what if spurs stopped playing football like subaru stopped the impreza ?

Would u just watch re runs of old defeats at weekend ?

Lets try at least keep this car related haha

 

Although an RS6 might beat my forester I very much doubt it would destroy it with drivers being equal.

 

A monkey could run the quoted times in an RS6

Unless your fozzy is 500bhp i wouldnt bother wasting your fuel.

Unless your talking about some old b5 rs6 even the v10 one would eat it nvm the last 2 models with that 8 pot.

 

it’s costing the audi rs6 81k£ to achieve a faster 0 to 60 time , i’m still very much in the scooby fold 😁 i’m sure if i threw part of the 81k£ at a scooby it would beat an rs6 🤣 then add the poor audi reliability issues to the equation

 

It will still be a Subaru at the end of the day

Lets compare a 35k final edition Sti to an 35k s3, golf R, cupra, gti , megane RS, mini GP, 140i, even the new GR Yaris with a 1.6L 3 banger would give it a run for it's money. A Yaris for gods sake...or nearly new RS3 then..... nice things cost money. Spend 300k on an Sti it may beat a 720S too but at end of day it's still a subaru....

Can drop 250k into an old high rise council flat that costs 60k.... doesn't change what it is.....

Plus if your RS6 costs you 81k it will have warranty when your EJ is knocking like a Jehova your on your own

 

Its quite obvious you measure 'fast' in straight-line performance and not anything else which is just plain zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
I worked at Audi for 8/9 years and drove a vast majority of their S and RS cars right up until around 2018, most of which aren't very impressive at all unless at the unaffordable end of the scale ie. 2016+ R8. I can afford to buy a new modern sports car but I choose not to because they are boring, lack steering feel, packed with driver aids, auto / DSG gearboxes etc, I dont need to shave every second off anything, my life isn't some time trial everytime I am on the road. They are not fun to drive like the Subaru is. Its all personal preference really, but to start quoting straight line speeds and say X car is better is just stupid. Stick those cars on a track and see how well they do actually fare against the 10-20 year old Jap saloon if you are so hell bent on times. A quick look on fastestlaps.com shows the old Blob Spec C Type RA to lap the ring 1 second quicker than the 140i. It just goes to show straight line speed and power isn't everything.

 

well said 🤣👍 scooby wins again 🤣

 

Fast is related to speed so straightline is best example
Quick is realated to time so laptimes show that attribute best.

car A runs 10.9 @ 130mph
car B runs 10.8 @ 125mph

A is Faster. B is Quicker.

So yea easiest way to see whats "fast" is in a straight line.

The 140i couldnt be further from a track car and without the M-performance diff which most poverty spec cars don't have, it struggles to put it's power down, pretty sure a diff is worth that second over an almost 8 min lap.... as well as it never actually having an official attempt where as subaru had Mr mis-shift makkenin at the wheel of their factory backed attempt...

That same stripped out spec C gets demolished by a modern civic, modern gti, modern cupra,modern megane.. so yea it won't fare very well if your comparing that special edition imported sti on track it still gets fcuked.

The only track an Sti would win is a dirt track....

With your logic a gt3 RS with driver aids & paddle shift is "boring"..

TTRS is about 30 secs faster around the ring than that spec C which is an Rs3 in a dress...

I repeat you can't measure fun...

FYI. 30K in 2004 is closer to 45k today when adjusted for inflation.... so RS3 money when new...

 

Thank you for confirming that you really are as stupid as I first thought.

Whatever ridiculous theory in your head you want to make up about straight-line performance being a true measure of the cars overall ability is laughable. Take ALL of the cars attributes and put it to test by measuring everything as a package ie. engine, transmission, handling and braking etc. This is done on a circuit, not a drag strip. The overall package proves for what car is ultimately 'faster' or 'quicker' or whatever you want to call it. You are merely measuring straight-line speed and basing all of your assumptions on that. We dont live our day to day lives at a drag strip. We live in the UK, surrounded by B-roads which funnily enough have bumps, twists and turns, especially up here in Scotland and that is more comparible to a track than a drag strip. If it was as easy as being the fastest in a straight-line, manufacturers wouldn't spend millions on design and development of chassis', gearboxes, brake systems, electronic and mechanical driver aids, handling and suspension in a bid to be the better performing and faster car of its class if thats what they are chasing.

Your quote about the GT3 RS is completely misleading, thats literally a purpose built track car offered to the public, its entirely built around being fast and capable car on track, not just in a straight line.
I dont think anyone is disagreeing with modern cars being more technologically advanced and thus being better in certain areas, but, your measure of whats faster is completely skewed and seems to be suited to fit your own narrative and personal needs which clearly are just straight-line focused. So for you to try and **** talk on why people shouldn't own a Subaru by throwing straight line figures around is hillarious. I genuinely feel sorry for you if all this time you just like driving fast in a straight line on A-roads and hanging around at Crail with the rest of the knuckle draggers, sounds like a wasted STI to me.

Maybe if you grew a set of ***** and put some good tyres on the Blob you had and not Trash1R's or Failsports and took the car to Knockhill when it had a VF35 you may well realise and understand that there is a way to measure fun, especially with these old affordable Subarus and it doesn't require you to fit a big turbo and chase more power either.


Problem is, people like you can't accept being wrong and this thread will continue to go round in circles until you get the last word in.

 

I wouldnt embarass myself takin my sti to crail nowadays when most the schoolkids run 10's in their S3's etc...no "affordable" sti would compete... the 40i ruined most Subaru's i've seen there and it only had software flung at it...

My Westfield would toast most Sti's that go to Knockhill tbh as well, nvm crap stock ones on a VF that would be lucky to get away from an EP3 civic..did you not see how AFP gave up on his Time Attack car and now has a "proper" track car..... not a 4 door tin can of compromises

Engine - yea the EJ is absolutly pathetic tbh laggy as hell an inefficient needs thousands flung at it to be anything near decent.

Gearbox - yea the 6 speed is strong but lets not kid ourselves that it's gona win anything still a dinosaur.

Handling - dont make me laugh if you wanted a car to handle you should have bought an Evo not some understeering disaster with a scoop.

Brakes - Even worse. Brembos from 20 years ago outperformed again by most embarassing...

Ooo but it's fun.....

An RS3 on any wet scottish B-road would pump most Subaru's there's literally not a situation it would be better.

There is a way to measure fun, really. Whats the SI units for fun you absolute moron.....10 smiles ?

The whole faster quicker thing is just basic English which you would understand if you had gone to school......

The only thing it has going for it...afforadability...like a Renault Clio..... if thats its Trumph card you can keep it.

Oh btw it had ****ty T1r's when i bought it & it ran better times on the "Failsports" than it did on Michlen SS's....the car would be lucky to last 10 laps of KH so it never went..

 

^^^^^^^ This is why he thinks 100's of 140i's sitting on forecourts is a sign of success, rather than not being interesting enough to sell..........whilst comparing cars made 15 years ago with ones made in the last 5
Who has a final edition Impreza here; who are you talking to?
Never mind what the OP thinks about you crashing his post with your nonsense.

 

You are on the wrong forum matey, we don't care what you think. There must be a BMW one you can go on.

 

I used the final edition because that too was built in last 5 years.....

Compare the JDM Hawk then. Which was clearly lacking or last poster wouldn't need his "big turbo" & coilovers along with countless other mods to his overpriced Hawk from Japan.... then goes on about "affordability"

Do you realise just how many 140i sold in their relativly short lifespan ? I guess thats because they are so terrible....

I have actually posted quite a bit of useful info regarding the OP but then too many butthurt subaru owners appeared to defend their dinosaurs from any critisism. When most folk who have upgraded turbos to above 400bhp have regreted it...

 

OP will care for my data on turbo upgrades thankyou very much. Have you anything useful to post on the subject.....

It's not just BMW tho... like i says SEAT, Renault, VW, BMW, Audi, Merc even MINI all make cars that would punish an STi on anything but a snowy/wet day.

 

What you are probably forgetting is that for a large proportion of us Subaru advocates on here, the Impreza is no longer our "daily driver".

I don't care that the Impreza is outdated in many ways, i like that it's different to the modern performance car that sits next to it.

Can you shuffle on now please, this is really boring.

 

A perfectly good, useful thread absolutely fcking ruined. Slow clap...

 

That makes it even worse when your "fun" weekend car cant keep up with a modern hatchback being used as a daily

If what you want is something slower, cheaper to park next to your "Modern Performance Car" whatever that is.... you made the right choice....

Just don't try upgrade the turbo you will be dissappointed...

 

Think you will find i have actually posted the most data about the OP "turbo upgrades" so farr...the rest are just butthurt jumping to the defense. Most others agreed it only made the car worse as an all rounder...stick to talking nonsense about VTT hahahah

The discussion was going fine till the butthurt FanBoys jumped all over it trying to defend their decades old dinosaurs.