Bob Rawle Road Map Figures
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Here is Autotop NL's scoreboard of their Dragy review times. It takes quite a bit of power to reach those numbers.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...9VQ/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...9VQ/edit#gid=0
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You have to ask yourself, how many people stop and point at a Subaru? And how many do that with a golf?
I was pulling out of a car park other day and a lad had his phone out filming the car, I've never had that in any other car in my life lol
Why because loads lads young and old love Subaru's. I know what your saying about power, the game has moved on massively, and Subaru has just coasted on there history. Unlike say Honda. But we all know what kind of power you can run if your willing to splash the cash. Either way I will stick with Subaru's and i love turbo lag lol
I was pulling out of a car park other day and a lad had his phone out filming the car, I've never had that in any other car in my life lol
Why because loads lads young and old love Subaru's. I know what your saying about power, the game has moved on massively, and Subaru has just coasted on there history. Unlike say Honda. But we all know what kind of power you can run if your willing to splash the cash. Either way I will stick with Subaru's and i love turbo lag lol
spot on jay 👍 it is a shame that our road going rally cars are slower than these average diesel cars or whatever but it’s just a case of the way the world is. In 50 years time our petrol guzzling non efficient Subarus etc will be a distant memory but at least we can say we owned one etc...
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Man that's fast.
My mates got a Leon, remapped running meth. It was a very forgettable drive, although it was fairly comfortable, and to be honest didn't feel that fast.
If you asked all the male population if they would prefer fast VAG or a type r i would love to see the results.
My mates got a Leon, remapped running meth. It was a very forgettable drive, although it was fairly comfortable, and to be honest didn't feel that fast.
If you asked all the male population if they would prefer fast VAG or a type r i would love to see the results.
My Type R with 360 hp did 100-150 in 3.17s and 100-200 in 9.38s with a very slow shift to 5th. A Golf R with similar power is over 10-11s from what I've seen
But I don't even care all that much, all VAG products are very dull and forgettable. They work good as daily drivers though (I have a 2018 Golf Estate, poverty spec, non dsg thankfully).
But I don't even care all that much, all VAG products are very dull and forgettable. They work good as daily drivers though (I have a 2018 Golf Estate, poverty spec, non dsg thankfully).
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Man that's fast.
My mates got a Leon, remapped running meth. It was a very forgettable drive, although it was fairly comfortable, and to be honest didn't feel that fast.
If you asked all the male population if they would prefer fast VAG or a type r i would love to see the results.
My mates got a Leon, remapped running meth. It was a very forgettable drive, although it was fairly comfortable, and to be honest didn't feel that fast.
If you asked all the male population if they would prefer fast VAG or a type r i would love to see the results.
Trust me. If you drove a well sorted RS3 it would change your mind.
I had only driven the older one up until them & even those at stage 2 were not too much to shout about.
But these recent ones i think it was 2018 they changed. The saloon too just felt amazing. Zero lag, crazy power (550bhp)
launched like a bullet easily low 3's poss even 2.9-60mph & ran 10sec 1/4 for fun.
Handling to match as well which was were the older ones were really lacking. i thought my old blobeye sti was great in the bends on coilovers till i drove that amd realised how much stuff had moved on.
Not a cheap car tho but the really hold their value very well.
The leon was the most shocking of them all tbh i never expected it to run thos times
As for AutotopNL take their times with a pinch because they usually run much slower than us here in UK. Some say the use the low qualoty fuel which just doesn't make sense.
There's a good page on Facebook called Dragy Leaderboard with lots of times from folk
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Man that's fast.
My mates got a Leon, remapped running meth. It was a very forgettable drive, although it was fairly comfortable, and to be honest didn't feel that fast.
If you asked all the male population if they would prefer fast VAG or a type r i would love to see the results.
My mates got a Leon, remapped running meth. It was a very forgettable drive, although it was fairly comfortable, and to be honest didn't feel that fast.
If you asked all the male population if they would prefer fast VAG or a type r i would love to see the results.
Yes a better time than I thought, it would probably be 9s flat with a better shift. I'm still not as fast as I would like shifting with my left hand ( Sweden), especially with the 6 speed. And this was with various problems so I could probably get down to 8.5s with a new map or even better with some E85.
But then again, I did one run, started in 4th. And thought to myself, where's the fun in doing this in a Type R? Completely wrong use for the car. Drive it in some fun B roads and rev out all the short ratio gears instead of starting in a higher gear to give you the best acceleration time. That kind of motorway use is just as boring as a VAG car.
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Here is Autotop NL's scoreboard of their Dragy review times. It takes quite a bit of power to reach those numbers.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...9VQ/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...9VQ/edit#gid=0
Exactly. & those are usually on the slow side of the times, the dont spend all day finding perfect shift points etc.
Just goes to show how fast those cars are
My 140i - 7.61 repeatable
Pals Leon Cupra 290 - 7.9?
Mates RS3 FL Saloon. 6.6
Mental times
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That's the kind of power I want. Nothing nothing and bang. Love it lol I've been in other cars that have more of a linear power band and there boring. I like being thrown back in my seat when the turbo kicks in. Prob not best for a daily but mine isn't a daily. Great for over taking all the 40-50 mph drivers. Need only a small straight and you've overtaken before you can say overtake lol
Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
A car making 500bhp for the last 1500 rpm would get smoked by a car running 450 from 4k up
Power under the graph is what makes a fast car. Unless ur ratios are perfectly suited to your powerband
I had a sti that made power for about 2k rpm & was dead for more than half the rev range. Terrible to drive & when modern golfs make power from below 3k its borderline embarassin.
All these "fast" cars need to get some true acceleration figures to back them up because apart from any serious drag motors most of them i see run laughable times
Not 0-60 thats just a traction excersice
62-124mph or 100-200kmh is the modern performance mark.
most these imprezas will be doing it in double figures hahaha
Power under the graph is what makes a fast car. Unless ur ratios are perfectly suited to your powerband
I had a sti that made power for about 2k rpm & was dead for more than half the rev range. Terrible to drive & when modern golfs make power from below 3k its borderline embarassin.
All these "fast" cars need to get some true acceleration figures to back them up because apart from any serious drag motors most of them i see run laughable times
Not 0-60 thats just a traction excersice
62-124mph or 100-200kmh is the modern performance mark.
most these imprezas will be doing it in double figures hahaha
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That's the kind of power I want. Nothing nothing and bang. Love it lol I've been in other cars that have more of a linear power band and there boring. I like being thrown back in my seat when the turbo kicks in. Prob not best for a daily but mine isn't a daily. Great for over taking all the 40-50 mph drivers. Need only a small straight and you've overtaken before you can say overtake lol
Don't mean a stock golf R
Laggy car is not a fast car. If takes 2 secs to come on boost your not overtaking anything with similar power that doesnt want you to.
If you love Lag i'm sure you could ask for more of it in your tune or just unplug the boost solenoid haha
Like i says it's area under the graph that makes a fast car. Not peak numbers
The car that goes nothin, nothin, bang has been left for dead before it's even on boost
Then your telling urself a chase is a race hahaha
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Where did I say a laggy car was fast. My old import didn't hit boost till over 3000 Rev,s. And just went crazy.
I'm not saying it would beat a modern hot hatch. Nor do I care. I'm saying it's fun. Was it embarrassing when sometimes you'd pull out of a junction forgetting you have lag while cars were bearing down on you errr yes.
But that's soon forgotten when the turbo kicks in
When referring to lag, I mean because your turbo is the size of a wheelie bin, not because I like having no power hahaha
I'm not saying it would beat a modern hot hatch. Nor do I care. I'm saying it's fun. Was it embarrassing when sometimes you'd pull out of a junction forgetting you have lag while cars were bearing down on you errr yes.
But that's soon forgotten when the turbo kicks in
When referring to lag, I mean because your turbo is the size of a wheelie bin, not because I like having no power hahaha
Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
Sounds like you havn't actually driven a fast modern car
Don't mean a stock golf R
Laggy car is not a fast car. If takes 2 secs to come on boost your not overtaking anything with similar power that doesnt want you to.
If you love Lag i'm sure you could ask for more of it in your tune or just unplug the boost solenoid haha
Like i says it's area under the graph that makes a fast car. Not peak numbers
The car that goes nothin, nothin, bang has been left for dead before it's even on boost
Then your telling urself a chase is a race hahaha
Don't mean a stock golf R
Laggy car is not a fast car. If takes 2 secs to come on boost your not overtaking anything with similar power that doesnt want you to.
If you love Lag i'm sure you could ask for more of it in your tune or just unplug the boost solenoid haha
Like i says it's area under the graph that makes a fast car. Not peak numbers
The car that goes nothin, nothin, bang has been left for dead before it's even on boost
Then your telling urself a chase is a race hahaha
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100% agree, if you want a car that's fast 0-60, an Impreza is far from the best car to go for.
Originally Posted by Turbovin
Everything's not about chasing the fastest times. If that's really that important then there's no point in having a Subaru instead of something modern. You're just wasting money trying to keep up.
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Yet in it's day it was the highlight of them
0-60 was where the shined
The only time i think they truley out shine modern cars is rough ground & snow
Like i says. In their hayday they competed with 911 turbo of tht era. Now a Yaris GR would dust it
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Back in the 90’s although this is nothing to brag about 6 of us were in a red astra gsi going to get some weed (I’ve not been a pot head for 20 years) and it was an animal, completely standard, same with a golf gti 16v....absolute animals, I was buzzing with my mates whilst having a joint or 2....now no car would ever give me a buzz like I got back in the day. I’ve been in extremely fast cars like most of you and it’s not the highlight of your day or week like it use to be.
does anyone know where I could buy a time machine? 😳 Cheers
does anyone know where I could buy a time machine? 😳 Cheers
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Not forgetting that Yaris was pitched against a newer heavier standard Impreza. And even compared to that Impreza the driver said it felt nervous. And it's a 3 cylinder 1.6?
Be interesting to see hire it fairs against newage or classic.
Be interesting to see hire it fairs against newage or classic.
Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
Yet in it's day it was the highlight of them
0-60 was where the shined
The only time i think they truley out shine modern cars is rough ground & snow
Like i says. In their hayday they competed with 911 turbo of tht era. Now a Yaris GR would dust it
0-60 was where the shined
The only time i think they truley out shine modern cars is rough ground & snow
Like i says. In their hayday they competed with 911 turbo of tht era. Now a Yaris GR would dust it
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Back in the 90’s although this is nothing to brag about 6 of us were in a red astra gsi going to get some weed (I’ve not been a pot head for 20 years) and it was an animal, completely standard, same with a golf gti 16v....absolute animals, I was buzzing with my mates whilst having a joint or 2....now no car would ever give me a buzz like I got back in the day. I’ve been in extremely fast cars like most of you and it’s not the highlight of your day or week like it use to be.
does anyone know where I could buy a time machine? 😳 Cheers
does anyone know where I could buy a time machine? 😳 Cheers
Bob has actually read this and refunded me. Admitted he did some calculations wrong or selected the wrong setting, I don’t know It’s a bit over my head.
Apparently he thinks it’s only running 380, which is not exactly just shy of 440.
Disappointed, refunded but I can only say he was gracious enough to reach out to me and refund me.
I will be looking to maybe have it mapped by Duncan on the rolling road in July.
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update:
Bob has actually read this and refunded me. Admitted he did some calculations wrong or selected the wrong setting, I don’t know It’s a bit over my head.
Apparently he thinks it’s only running 380, which is not exactly just shy of 440.
Disappointed, refunded but I can only say he was gracious enough to reach out to me and refund me.
I will be looking to maybe have it mapped by Duncan on the rolling road in July.
Bob has actually read this and refunded me. Admitted he did some calculations wrong or selected the wrong setting, I don’t know It’s a bit over my head.
Apparently he thinks it’s only running 380, which is not exactly just shy of 440.
Disappointed, refunded but I can only say he was gracious enough to reach out to me and refund me.
I will be looking to maybe have it mapped by Duncan on the rolling road in July.
oh wow, I think bob has refunded you there when he didn’t have to....as long as the map is safe and it’s not causing any harm to your car why would he refund you? I’ve never used or met bob but to refund you because he got the figures wrong is going above and beyond...sounds like a nice guy bob 👍
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Also looks like fat Ronaldo from Glasgow was right 👏👏
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His response pretty much tells me he selected the wrong car or profile. I have no idea but it was a long detailed message and I am not technically minded. Either way he has admitted fault and helped me out as I am trying to book it in at Surrey rolling road
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did he say the car is safe to use?
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Do some research on Duncan bud, not heard good things.
update:
Bob has actually read this and refunded me. Admitted he did some calculations wrong or selected the wrong setting, I don’t know It’s a bit over my head.
Apparently he thinks it’s only running 380, which is not exactly just shy of 440.
Disappointed, refunded but I can only say he was gracious enough to reach out to me and refund me.
I will be looking to maybe have it mapped by Duncan on the rolling road in July.
Bob has actually read this and refunded me. Admitted he did some calculations wrong or selected the wrong setting, I don’t know It’s a bit over my head.
Apparently he thinks it’s only running 380, which is not exactly just shy of 440.
Disappointed, refunded but I can only say he was gracious enough to reach out to me and refund me.
I will be looking to maybe have it mapped by Duncan on the rolling road in July.
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It sounds to me like just that software doing what it does best. Could be number of things, wrong weight, wrong ratios wrong data being input = wrong data output could be as simple as telling it that its a different model with different ratios.
That part of it has nothing to do with the tune tho & Bob could tune the car with eyes closed
Please let me confirm. I DO NOT DOUBT his mapping ability in any way whatsoever. He has prob mapped more cars than i have driven in my life.
My issue was with the software that is used when no rolling road is available. There is just to much that can affect it.
Best example being if you took wing off it would have less drag but software would see this as power increase
So again. This is not anything to worry about. I would still throw it on a dyno for the hell of it.
I would not worry about the map on the car as Bob wouldn't leave it dangerous in any way
At the end of the day you wemt to him for a tune & you got one. I have no doubt its as good as anyone in the scoob scene will get from the car.
I see those dyno results in same way i see the sticker or lolly you get off the dentist.
You didnt go to him for a dyno readout, same way u dont go to dentist for a lolly.
This was never an attack on any tuner it was always about the virtual dyno software. Its ok for a guess but remember thats all it is.
Most of the time setup for yanky whp which we all know usually translates to UK fly bhp.
Hope nobody took anything i says personally.
That part of it has nothing to do with the tune tho & Bob could tune the car with eyes closed
Please let me confirm. I DO NOT DOUBT his mapping ability in any way whatsoever. He has prob mapped more cars than i have driven in my life.
My issue was with the software that is used when no rolling road is available. There is just to much that can affect it.
Best example being if you took wing off it would have less drag but software would see this as power increase
So again. This is not anything to worry about. I would still throw it on a dyno for the hell of it.
I would not worry about the map on the car as Bob wouldn't leave it dangerous in any way
At the end of the day you wemt to him for a tune & you got one. I have no doubt its as good as anyone in the scoob scene will get from the car.
I see those dyno results in same way i see the sticker or lolly you get off the dentist.
You didnt go to him for a dyno readout, same way u dont go to dentist for a lolly.
This was never an attack on any tuner it was always about the virtual dyno software. Its ok for a guess but remember thats all it is.
Most of the time setup for yanky whp which we all know usually translates to UK fly bhp.
Hope nobody took anything i says personally.
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update:
Bob has actually read this and refunded me. Admitted he did some calculations wrong or selected the wrong setting, I don’t know It’s a bit over my head.
Apparently he thinks it’s only running 380, which is not exactly just shy of 440.
Disappointed, refunded but I can only say he was gracious enough to reach out to me and refund me.
I will be looking to maybe have it mapped by Duncan on the rolling road in July.
Bob has actually read this and refunded me. Admitted he did some calculations wrong or selected the wrong setting, I don’t know It’s a bit over my head.
Apparently he thinks it’s only running 380, which is not exactly just shy of 440.
Disappointed, refunded but I can only say he was gracious enough to reach out to me and refund me.
I will be looking to maybe have it mapped by Duncan on the rolling road in July.
Sorry Bob.
If he refunded you just because the figures were out then thats pretty incredible & i take my hat off to the guy.
If Bob says maps ok then the maps ok.
Still love to see the car on the rollers, even more now.
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Still think it would smoke them all. Nervous is what males the older ones seem rawer. New ones will be soo planted it would seem less fun. But anyone i know who has driven the latest shape says it has the best chassis of them all to date.
Sti only - not spec c, RA, RAR etc.
The base Sti only got better and better
Pretty sure a Bugeye Sti was wuicker than a classic
A hawk quicker than a bugeye
Hatch quicker than a hawk
Latest quicker than the hatch
Not including any crazy special editions in there btw. Just std. STi.
Laptimes & 1/4 mile i mean
How much tyre tech plays in that is another debate
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