johno01

smurfy you questioned something you thought was wrong and you were correct mate, bob has admitted a mistake and refunded the guy which is a very nice gesture. I’m the least knowledgeable person on here probably but it is very interesting reading what the people in the know say 👍 keep up the good work mate

domino46

think you need to look up some more people running the same turbo as they are all getting similar figures so mine isnt a one off or some sort of special turbo ,or consider contacting FP them selfs to find out ,I never claimed any quarter mile times as it wasn't even a quarter mile runs it was just for fun but still gives a idea of how mine compares to a cosworth powered subaru , the timed events iv done were hill climbs so not exactly relevant to this either so no point in adding anything about that lol but im not sure how a timed event has any relavence on power as there are too many other factors involved anyway lol

and iv had it on the rolling road a few times so get your facts correct ,, drove for miles for one but can't remember what the name was (could be Surry), done runs at power station when it was still running aswell and was nearly exactly the same figures (20bhp out) , but it was a hot day ,,, I also did runs when it was runnning 400bhp on its billet vf48 and they all matched up aswell or you going to tell me they were all wrong aswell now lol

fair play for being right about the OP's spec but I still stand by my first comment and that's that bobs normally very good at giving a idea of what the power is , he has never said to me that its a exact figure but whenever iv had my cars on rolling roads after they have always been within a few bhp of his "guess",, and iv had lots and lots of subarus mapped by bob and checked over the years , prob over 50 now

hedgecutter

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But ruined any point he made by mixing in a good load of quite personal insults and general patronisation, then hopes no one was offended by it. As usual.

johno01

I didn’t see my personal insults?? Where?......

SmurfyBhoy

Im usually quite clear with my personal insults.... can you point them out ?

I guess when you know you're correct & folk doubt you it's hard not to sound patronizing.

If folk questioning claims offends you, then best stay close to the freezer during this hot weather Snowflake....

Is Snowflake an insult these days ? Haha

SmurfyBhoy

Pretty sure anybody running this turbo has it at pretty much 2bar and most don't see the figures your "claiming". Your on stock ECU as well right ?

TImed events are a good way to back up power claims, after all the Super Duper Virtual Dyno software you rave about works off time..... decent dyno's can correct for temps. Sounds like yours was on a Dyno"Saur" of a Dyno.

So been to all sorts of events but never ran a quarter time ?

Seems the cars a bit of a dyno queen eh. Perhaps should get some numbers tht matter like ET & Terminal speeds. I'd expect 130mph or not a kick away from it at that power level.

Maybe even 100-200kmh times but the scooby boys get embarassed by these.

I'm saying i'd always work off the lowest read out which by what you says so far is 20bhp out. Not alot but enough to prove my point.

You usually see 16g's make more than a vf48 & a 20g rarely makes 400 so i'm gona doubt tht too

plenty

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Knowing Bob, he would likely offer a refund for something as insignificant as an over-estimated Virtual Dyno reading even if there were no problems with the underlying map.

If I were OP I would want to know whether there actually a problem with the map or not. As if there isn't, getting it remapped by Racedynamix at a rolling road will be a downgrade.

adam.pah

What a gentleman! I can't think of another mapper who would do that, that's proper customer service. The graph has absolutely nothing to do with the map so I don't think you'll have any issues with it. If you want an accurate power reading then get a power run, don't have it mapped again. Bob has always been very helpful whenever I've asked him questions. He can be direct and maybe that upsets people but I actually prefer and have always listened to his advice.

I have no idea why you would want to swap a Bob map for one from the other mapper you mentioned. From personal experience I would never use or recommend him again! You'll find plenty of other people who've had issues with him too. My last mapping session was with RaceCal (Romain) and I would recommend him for dyno mapping. They actually use a hub dyno too.

adam.pah

Let's be fair here, your primary mission on this site is to wind people up.
No one on here (except Johno) really cares for your input, even if some of your comments are factually correct.
In fact, I actively skip past your comments now.
Whether you admit it or not, you're a troll.

The Joshua Tree

I don't know Bob, i've never met him, ive read through the thread and i think it's really decent of him to give the lad a full refund which was for something as small as just typing something into his laptop slightly wrong, which we all do occasionally as were just human. The most important part though from reading the thread is it didn't affect the map which is fine, it was just a human typing or click error into his laptop. So basically the lad got a free map from one of the best, if not the best mappers in the country, he must be well happy at that level of service and integrity.

johno01

I don’t have any agenda on this site nor do I pair up with anyone but in regards to this specific issue, smurphy was right and he’s a very knowledgeable guy 👍...that’s why scoobynet is fantastic for the Subaru enthusiasts. I think people are getting offended because he questioned bobs map which again turned out to be correct to question. Maybe bob gets stats right 99% of the time but he got it wrong this time, refunded the guy which is a fantastic gesture, he didn’t even get it wrong he mapped his car but input the wrong data. Everyone is going off topic, smurphy questioned bobs printout based on the OP’S mods and bob acknowledged he made a very minor error. That’s a scoobynet result in my eyes 👏👏👍👍💪🏻

adam.pah

No offence intended Dave, and I do see your point. I agree with Hedgecutter though, if you're spouting pointless facts most of the time and trying to wind people up then no on really listens if you say something useful.
I'm just calling it how it is, most of his comments within this thread do not help the OP at all and most are targeted to evoke a reaction amongst the subaru enthusiasts on this site.
If I wanted to talk about German cars I'd go to their respective forums or start a thread in the 'other marques' section, I come here though because I want to discuss subaru's.
I've had several very fast German cars myself, they were good cars. But I choose to drive an impreza because I find them more fun to drive, that's why out of my last 7 purchases 5 of them have been impreza's and I've always had at least 1 on the driveway for over 10 years. I don't care how fast they are compared to other cars, it's not about that.

johno01

soz mate if I came across offended but I 100% wasn’t 👍 I have a lot of respect for you and others on here Adam ✌️✌️ I thoroughly enjoy the input by most on here even if I is irrelevant 😂😂

SmurfyBhoy

You didn't skip past this tho....you fed the troll ....

Facts are facts no matter who says them

I enjoy winding folk up while at the same time helping folk understand things that other people make out to be some sort of wizardry. There are lots of topics i know nothing about so i don't post on those but when i know i'm right i will be happy to have a banter filled debate.

As for the whole German car thing it's not just German cars, i still own my Fozzy Sti & if Westfield sells this week perhaps move on to something even faster than the 140i was.

Even when on the 140i pages there was the whoppers who thought those were the best cars on the road. I had great fun reminding them it was a fake M car with a chassis shared with a 116d hahah.

As for the Westfield it's a poor mans Caterham which as you can imagine really gets under some folks skin on Westfield pages.

As for this thread i'd say my comments could well be the reason the guy got a refund so at least my nuiscance is helping some folk out eh ???

SmurfyBhoy

Pointless facts are still facts tho... that's a fact haha

Again i'd say my comments helped get the guy a refund which never even had to be given.

What's the fastest very fast German car you speak of because some folk don't understand that pretty much all of them bar latest M5's, Rs6's & some 911's etc are pretty slow unless tooned. That includes 140i, RS3, a45, m3/4's

Just like to understand folks perspective. Because some think a golf Gti is very fast.....

jaygsi

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I'd happier let Bob map my car also Andy carr, seen him mapping at pole position, on my mates car. I want Bob to map mine, he's just so far away.

RAGGY DOO

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no ones to far , I travelled to Northern Ireland and back 8 hour drive for Bob to map my car two or three times from memory , it’s well documented on here how unhappy I was , but myself and Bob put that to bed .
I sent my car to the clinic for work, I would travel anywhere if it meant having the car worked on by the best in the buianess

jaygsi

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Why would you drive to Ireland? Doesn't Bob lives in England?

Oh yes don't worry I've seen the whole saga lol. But that's the only 2 complaint's I've heard about bob, heard loads about Duncan, and seen loads of cars mapped by him up forsale with blown engines. So its Andy Carr or Bob i think. I haven't got the time to drive 8 hours.

RAGGY DOO

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im in the south of Ireland ,
Next time I go for a map I might try engine tuner
or Andrew Carr myself .
as I said hundreds of people are delighted to Bob
Unfortunately it didn’t work out for me don’t let that put you off

Matt Gooner Moulding

ive had mine mapped by neil 3 times at slowboy, and theyve all been brilliant.

Evo Bizz

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I had mine mapped by Bob in September this year and after the mapping session we did some logging runs on a dead flat and straight piece of road to get the data to load in Virtual Dyno to produce the graph. Bob then said to me, "I'm not saying this is exactly what you will get from a dyno but it gives us something to compare against if we make any changes in the future".

I'm not chasing numbers or after bragging figures, I just wanted it mapped and i'm happy with the result.

The Joshua Tree

I also had my car mapped by Bob recently at Darlington, i'm also not chasing numbers, for me it was about improving how the car drives and pulls to make driving it more enjoyable. Before it went to Bob the car felt laggy and was down on torque, that was down to the previous map which was done by someone in the south that i won't name as it's not important, what was more important to me is how the car drove after the map. I was very happy with the results, it was a lot more than i was expecting in how it now performs, it drives great and pulls hard when i want it too, i enjoyed the mapping experience too, it was my first one.