Scoobies vs Bikes...gentlemen start your engine!
25 May 2001, 09:50 AM
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Bros.
Absolutely! Which in my book, seeing as most of us live in the UK, means it's a draw!!!
Incidentally, I don't think cones on an airfield is a very realistic simulation of a twisty b-road, and using new tyres on the Scoob? What total poo!
I still challenge anyone to think of a better all-round test than the Nurburgring?
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Absolutely! Which in my book, seeing as most of us live in the UK, means it's a draw!!!
Incidentally, I don't think cones on an airfield is a very realistic simulation of a twisty b-road, and using new tyres on the Scoob? What total poo!
I still challenge anyone to think of a better all-round test than the Nurburgring?
Stef.
25 May 2001, 09:50 AM
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Well,
I can see all of you bikers know what you are talking about. You all have a lot of experience both on the raods and from tests carried out by by famous, and well respected people.
The question now is, do you accept my story?
I can see all of you bikers know what you are talking about. You all have a lot of experience both on the raods and from tests carried out by by famous, and well respected people.
The question now is, do you accept my story?
25 May 2001, 10:15 AM
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Jeez we really needed this thread
The funny part is that we all are part of the same family : nutsy family
We all love adrenalin ; We all love to control a huge power ; Its the man vs the machine ; and we love to win this battle!
For bikers, this fight is much more physical : block while breaking...and bye bye! In a car simply ease it on the breakpedal to unlock!
Be a little enthousistic whiles accelerating... and you'r in for the looping! In a car, you will just see a little tyre smoke...
In bends u have to throw the bike ; push it down to ground to go really fast...
Bla bla bla bla
We do it differently but we do the same sh*t...flat ouuuuuuuuuuuuut
The funny part is that we all are part of the same family : nutsy family
We all love adrenalin ; We all love to control a huge power ; Its the man vs the machine ; and we love to win this battle!
For bikers, this fight is much more physical : block while breaking...and bye bye! In a car simply ease it on the breakpedal to unlock!
Be a little enthousistic whiles accelerating... and you'r in for the looping! In a car, you will just see a little tyre smoke...
In bends u have to throw the bike ; push it down to ground to go really fast...
Bla bla bla bla
We do it differently but we do the same sh*t...flat ouuuuuuuuuuuuut
25 May 2001, 10:52 AM
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Stef,
The B645 (did it on Monday night) has a load of gravel on it .. a milkfloat would have passed me if he’d come across me. Overall, in the UK, it’s a draw …. Unless you include traffic. On normal roads, that means that as the car driver sits, fuming, in the slow-moving queue behind Mr Allegro and his caravan, the biker can nip past and enjoy the roads. Maybe not such a draw then ….
Re my earlier post; the coned airfield was probably not the best of tests, but what did you expect them to do, run it on a public road? As Matt Neal said, you just couldn’t drive like that on the road, you’d be dead. So despite the undoubted power of the car and skill of the driver, throwing the car around (witness the melted tyres, which had been properly run-in, so were probably at the peak of their condition) like a madman didn’t help Matt keep up with the bike.
It seems that we could pick road circuits to suit our machines – do you really think that a car could lap the IoM TT course at 120 mph over 37 miles? A standard (road tyres, standard bodywork, just a change of exhaust for ground clearance) quick bike will do this., assuming the rider doesn’t die in the attempt (which I accept is one of the biggest disadvantages of biking).
Ork,
I don't mean to be rude, but your story changes all the time. First it was a tight, twisty road. Then it was a set of sweeping S bends. Now it's a sodding dual carriageway (find me a twisty dual carriageway and I'll find you a straight corkscrew)! Do you not wonder why people doubt your word?
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The B645 (did it on Monday night) has a load of gravel on it .. a milkfloat would have passed me if he’d come across me. Overall, in the UK, it’s a draw …. Unless you include traffic. On normal roads, that means that as the car driver sits, fuming, in the slow-moving queue behind Mr Allegro and his caravan, the biker can nip past and enjoy the roads. Maybe not such a draw then ….
Re my earlier post; the coned airfield was probably not the best of tests, but what did you expect them to do, run it on a public road? As Matt Neal said, you just couldn’t drive like that on the road, you’d be dead. So despite the undoubted power of the car and skill of the driver, throwing the car around (witness the melted tyres, which had been properly run-in, so were probably at the peak of their condition) like a madman didn’t help Matt keep up with the bike.
It seems that we could pick road circuits to suit our machines – do you really think that a car could lap the IoM TT course at 120 mph over 37 miles? A standard (road tyres, standard bodywork, just a change of exhaust for ground clearance) quick bike will do this., assuming the rider doesn’t die in the attempt (which I accept is one of the biggest disadvantages of biking).
Ork,
I don't mean to be rude, but your story changes all the time. First it was a tight, twisty road. Then it was a set of sweeping S bends. Now it's a sodding dual carriageway (find me a twisty dual carriageway and I'll find you a straight corkscrew)! Do you not wonder why people doubt your word?
Bros
25 May 2001, 01:24 PM
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AAAAhhhh I was wondering how long it'd be for the ultimate in Scooby culture quotes, Motoring its all about the ultimate "Grip", what twaddle, purely subjective subject too. I'm not saying whether your story is true or not,I cannot, that answer only lies with you and your conscience.
The 5 mile straights(not quite !!) to Luss etc are mostly normal A roads(not dual carrigeway) and they are certianly far from straight and always busy
, on here I'm afraid you be beaten again due to fact that a bike can overtake where you cannot due to acceleration and size. GRIP, get a grip how can you argue the facts that and decent 600+ bike out accelerates your car without a thought, out brakes your car easily and only has one a minor dissadvantage on some corners and top speed(possibly) again depending on who's driving what.
Don't even get me started on anything bigger than a Sports 600(I'm being kind keeping the cc's down). No one is saying your some sort of clown cause your car isn't as fast as a bike, its just a straight fact of Physics/Chemistry and dynamics, one swallow my friend does not a summer make.
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The 5 mile straights(not quite !!) to Luss etc are mostly normal A roads(not dual carrigeway) and they are certianly far from straight and always busy
, on here I'm afraid you be beaten again due to fact that a bike can overtake where you cannot due to acceleration and size. GRIP, get a grip how can you argue the facts that and decent 600+ bike out accelerates your car without a thought, out brakes your car easily and only has one a minor dissadvantage on some corners and top speed(possibly) again depending on who's driving what.Don't even get me started on anything bigger than a Sports 600(I'm being kind keeping the cc's down). No one is saying your some sort of clown cause your car isn't as fast as a bike, its just a straight fact of Physics/Chemistry and dynamics, one swallow my friend does not a summer make.
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25 May 2001, 01:30 PM
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Ork,
BTW I'm from Clydebank so I do know the area well and there are no straight roads as long as that around where you can see from one end to the other. The advantage of vision on the road you mention is due to lack of trees and the fact its very wide and goes slightly uphill along most of its route so essentially after the roundabout at the Bond you can see the next bend possibly 1-1.5 miles away(never measured it).
20 mile straight from Glasgow to Dumbarton indeed !!!!
BTW I'm from Clydebank so I do know the area well and there are no straight roads as long as that around where you can see from one end to the other. The advantage of vision on the road you mention is due to lack of trees and the fact its very wide and goes slightly uphill along most of its route so essentially after the roundabout at the Bond you can see the next bend possibly 1-1.5 miles away(never measured it).
20 mile straight from Glasgow to Dumbarton indeed !!!!
25 May 2001, 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by ork:
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Has anyone answered my question, which has more grip, a bike with whatever size of tyre is on a bike, or a scooby with 18, and 35's.</B>
Depends what you mean by grip? A good biker can load up the front tyre to above 1G on braking. A car driver can't.
A car can be right on the limit tyres squealing going round a corner. You can break traction and recover. On bike, break traction and you might get to walk home of you are lucky.
Sports bikes generally have tyres that are designed to last for 2 or 3 thousand miles (soft sticky tyres). The contact patch is much smaller, but the grip per square inch is greater. Lorries have massive contact patches with hard rubber, so the grip per square inch is much smaller, but overall grip is increased by the size of the contact patch. Cars fall somewhere in the middle
<B>I think that given certain circumstances everybody will boast that theres it better than your. .</B>
What about people who have both? Am I boasting that mine is better than mine? Which mine would be best?
The general feeling from people who own both is that bikes are quicker in cars in a large number of circumstances, particularly where speed is reasonably safe.
[This message has been edited by fast bloke (edited 25 May 2001).]
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Has anyone answered my question, which has more grip, a bike with whatever size of tyre is on a bike, or a scooby with 18, and 35's.</B>
Depends what you mean by grip? A good biker can load up the front tyre to above 1G on braking. A car driver can't.
A car can be right on the limit tyres squealing going round a corner. You can break traction and recover. On bike, break traction and you might get to walk home of you are lucky.
Sports bikes generally have tyres that are designed to last for 2 or 3 thousand miles (soft sticky tyres). The contact patch is much smaller, but the grip per square inch is greater. Lorries have massive contact patches with hard rubber, so the grip per square inch is much smaller, but overall grip is increased by the size of the contact patch. Cars fall somewhere in the middle
<B>I think that given certain circumstances everybody will boast that theres it better than your. .</B>
What about people who have both? Am I boasting that mine is better than mine? Which mine would be best?
The general feeling from people who own both is that bikes are quicker in cars in a large number of circumstances, particularly where speed is reasonably safe.
[This message has been edited by fast bloke (edited 25 May 2001).]
25 May 2001, 01:51 PM
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Cammy,
my concience is just fine. You are trying to justify the fact that I beet two bikers between this streatch of road with well documented facts. Good for you, you have shown applied knowlege. something that is learned in school.
nobody mentioned anything about motoring being the ulimate grip. I mearly sudjested that that could have been the deciding factor
that got me passed the bikes.
I can garantee you the roads are only very busy at working hours or weekends or bank holidays.
If you classify the road between the two rounabouts as being straight, how can you possibly say that the roads toward Luss are far from straight. You could probably drive flat out after the rounbabout at balloch for about ten miles, barring a few cut offs and bends. Here, yes I would beeten by a bike, but that is not point A to B that I am refering to.
"has one a minor dissadvantage on some corners and top speed(possibly) again depending on who's driving what."
Yeh, my point exactically.
Lest get away from this cars are faster than bikes rubish. Everyone knows that bikes are fasted than cars.
Here is an example for you. Nothing to do with bikes, but a valid point.
A 1 litre mini and a 1.8 litre bmw 3 sereies cope.
From Milngavie to Balmaha the mini hammered the BMW.
"Don't even get me started on anything bigger than a Sports 600(I'm being kind keeping the cc's down). No one is saying your some sort of clown cause your car isn't as fast as a bike, its just a straight fact of Physics/Chemistry and dynamics, one swallow my friend does not a summer make."
Thanks for being kind? The bikes were 750's mate.
my concience is just fine. You are trying to justify the fact that I beet two bikers between this streatch of road with well documented facts. Good for you, you have shown applied knowlege. something that is learned in school.
nobody mentioned anything about motoring being the ulimate grip. I mearly sudjested that that could have been the deciding factor
that got me passed the bikes.
I can garantee you the roads are only very busy at working hours or weekends or bank holidays.
If you classify the road between the two rounabouts as being straight, how can you possibly say that the roads toward Luss are far from straight. You could probably drive flat out after the rounbabout at balloch for about ten miles, barring a few cut offs and bends. Here, yes I would beeten by a bike, but that is not point A to B that I am refering to.
"has one a minor dissadvantage on some corners and top speed(possibly) again depending on who's driving what."
Yeh, my point exactically.
Lest get away from this cars are faster than bikes rubish. Everyone knows that bikes are fasted than cars.
Here is an example for you. Nothing to do with bikes, but a valid point.
A 1 litre mini and a 1.8 litre bmw 3 sereies cope.
From Milngavie to Balmaha the mini hammered the BMW.
"Don't even get me started on anything bigger than a Sports 600(I'm being kind keeping the cc's down). No one is saying your some sort of clown cause your car isn't as fast as a bike, its just a straight fact of Physics/Chemistry and dynamics, one swallow my friend does not a summer make."
Thanks for being kind? The bikes were 750's mate.
25 May 2001, 02:16 PM
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I can feel a trip to Scotland coming on!
Anybody care to join me on this one? To be fair to Ork though, I'll do the road "blind" so that it evens things out
Mike T, can you provide the camcorder? LOL
Matt
Anybody care to join me on this one? To be fair to Ork though, I'll do the road "blind" so that it evens things out
Mike T, can you provide the camcorder? LOL
Matt
25 May 2001, 02:27 PM
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Come a week monday I'll be moving into my new (to me) house, which is a mile off Great Western Road, sleeping on floor available at very economical rates
25 May 2001, 02:46 PM
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, but overall grip is increased by the size of the contact patch. Cars fall somewhere in the middle
erm...grip is force/unit area :. bigger contact patch and same force = less grip!
Force in this instance is the downward pressure from the vehicle's mass and and aerodynamic effect
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25 May 2001, 02:54 PM
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Deputy Dog, I would be interested to know where you get this formula for grip. Could you possibly mean moment of inertia? If so your comments don't mean anything. If you could apply these accurately to the discussion then everyone should be driving around on the smallest wheels with the narrowest tyres they could find to get the maximum amount of grip.
25 May 2001, 03:45 PM
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It's obvious from all this discussion then that sports bikes have the upper hand over Scoobs on most aspects of performance, mainly due to stonking straight line performance. It's seems a bit unfair however that a humble Scooby is being compared to the best road bikes in the world.
So, if we even things out and compare the best road bikes to the best road cars, things turn around somewhat (obviously I'm ignoring the silly prices involved in buying these cars). The best road car, the Mclaren F1, would surely leave any road bike for dead on the road or track. The only place it would loose out on performance is initial acceration in a straight line (if it's dry) up to somewhere around 100 mph and the difference is not that big up to there either. In ALL other aspects of performance the bike is toast (braking, cornering, accelaration at higher speeds and top speed. In motorsport terms the gap is huge if you compare the fastest track bikes with (highly restricted) F1 cars. Having said all that about supercars and F1, it 'only' took a Porsche 911 Carrera 4 to see off a big sports bike (can't remember which one) around a track on the Clarkson video...
So there you have it, 4 wheels are much better than 2!
So, if we even things out and compare the best road bikes to the best road cars, things turn around somewhat (obviously I'm ignoring the silly prices involved in buying these cars). The best road car, the Mclaren F1, would surely leave any road bike for dead on the road or track. The only place it would loose out on performance is initial acceration in a straight line (if it's dry) up to somewhere around 100 mph and the difference is not that big up to there either. In ALL other aspects of performance the bike is toast (braking, cornering, accelaration at higher speeds and top speed. In motorsport terms the gap is huge if you compare the fastest track bikes with (highly restricted) F1 cars. Having said all that about supercars and F1, it 'only' took a Porsche 911 Carrera 4 to see off a big sports bike (can't remember which one) around a track on the Clarkson video...
So there you have it, 4 wheels are much better than 2!
25 May 2001, 03:52 PM
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Talking bout grip, dont forget to mention an important factor : weight...
1 ton on 50 a given surface of gum is much much different than 275Kg on the same surface...
More : Its would be hard to calculate, but the angle taken to turn affects the grip too...
1 ton on 50 a given surface of gum is much much different than 275Kg on the same surface...
More : Its would be hard to calculate, but the angle taken to turn affects the grip too...
25 May 2001, 04:08 PM
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Guys, calm down... If we have any law enforcers reading this thread, by now he's rubbig his hand saying: ........ Hell, I don't know, I have no Idea what's going on in the mind of those quear people, but I'm sure he's grinning ...
At least don't tell him when you're gonna do it
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At least don't tell him when you're gonna do it
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25 May 2001, 04:09 PM
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with regards to this grip thing. grip is a measure of friction between road surface and rubber compound (mu being the frictional coefficient) which can vary greatly with conditions as we have all said.
in terms of grip per unit area a bike tire is better but given the size of the contact patch of car and the fact that there are 4 of them means overall grip may be higher but due to the ****e power to weight of a car you still wont beat the bike in a straight line.
me and the bike weigh in at 280 or so kilos(im not pint sized) with about 100 horses. now if scooby weighs 1400 kilos your gonna need 500 hp to get close. now if anyone out there can drive a 500hp car to the limit then your nads are bigger than mine(and if youve got a 500 hp scooby or even close can i have a go) but this is how fast bikes are(conditions allowing)all the time
imagine your scooby with 500hp
wouldnt it be nice
thats why we all smile in the summer
happy boosting
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in terms of grip per unit area a bike tire is better but given the size of the contact patch of car and the fact that there are 4 of them means overall grip may be higher but due to the ****e power to weight of a car you still wont beat the bike in a straight line.
me and the bike weigh in at 280 or so kilos(im not pint sized) with about 100 horses. now if scooby weighs 1400 kilos your gonna need 500 hp to get close. now if anyone out there can drive a 500hp car to the limit then your nads are bigger than mine(and if youve got a 500 hp scooby or even close can i have a go) but this is how fast bikes are(conditions allowing)all the time
imagine your scooby with 500hp
wouldnt it be nice
thats why we all smile in the summer
happy boosting
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25 May 2001, 04:48 PM
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Richie - don't forget transmission losses. A chain driven bike will lose 10-15% thru transmission. A scoob will lose 40-45%. So to get an equal number of BHP / KG to the road you would need an 800 BHP scoob against a 100 BHP bike. - This would give approx .31 BHP per KG at the road. Anyone want to calculate the figures for a ZX 12R (160 at the wheel) or Suzi GSXR 1000(145 at the wheel, 170ish KG)
p.s. Can I buy the scoob
p.s. Can I buy the scoob
25 May 2001, 04:59 PM
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At the ultimate level, F1 versus 500GP, cars are faster by around 20-30 seconds a lap. As these cars bear about as much resemblance to your Impreza as my granny does, I suggest we accept that when a car costs $20m, it goes faster than a $1m bike. And what on earth makes you think that 500GP bikes aren’t just as restricted as F1 cars?
Similarly, a MacLaren F1, fine car though it is, isn’t really a fair comparison with a superbike. After all, the Macca takes around 6.5 seconds to get to 60, around 1.5 seconds slower than my bike ……. Could you not find something that keeps up?
Seriously though, to compare something that costs £650k to my £3k Blade is a bit silly. Of course the MacLaren will be faster, corner quicker, and use more fuel (but probably less than a Scoob!!), but then for that level of differential so it flipping well should. Mind you, it might still be close, as although the car has all that performance, it’s got poor visibility (being in the centre of the car isn’t necessarily the best idea, and it’s incredibly low) and it’s comparatively wide. And the differential between it and a Scoob on a real road might not be that great – the Macca is astonishingly fast, granted, but it’s got that 250mph gearing as a hell of a handicap
Back in the real world, it’s probably fair to say that the rally-rep cars will get closer to a bike than anything else. The humble Scoob, as you put it, will stand comparison with the finest and most expensive cars in the world, and as such has been called the performance bargain of the 20th century. Even with this car, you’re looking at a minimum of three times the price of a top bike, and probably a lot more. I reckon it’s a fair comparison.
As for Clarkson and his videos, spare me. The guy is known for writing a script and fitting the facts in to suit. Maybe, just maybe, the 911 was allowed to win? After all, who does Clarkson sell his product to – drivers or riders?
Bros
At the ultimate level, F1 versus 500GP, cars are faster by around 20-30 seconds a lap. As these cars bear about as much resemblance to your Impreza as my granny does, I suggest we accept that when a car costs $20m, it goes faster than a $1m bike. And what on earth makes you think that 500GP bikes aren’t just as restricted as F1 cars?
Similarly, a MacLaren F1, fine car though it is, isn’t really a fair comparison with a superbike. After all, the Macca takes around 6.5 seconds to get to 60, around 1.5 seconds slower than my bike ……. Could you not find something that keeps up?
Seriously though, to compare something that costs £650k to my £3k Blade is a bit silly. Of course the MacLaren will be faster, corner quicker, and use more fuel (but probably less than a Scoob!!), but then for that level of differential so it flipping well should. Mind you, it might still be close, as although the car has all that performance, it’s got poor visibility (being in the centre of the car isn’t necessarily the best idea, and it’s incredibly low) and it’s comparatively wide. And the differential between it and a Scoob on a real road might not be that great – the Macca is astonishingly fast, granted, but it’s got that 250mph gearing as a hell of a handicap
Back in the real world, it’s probably fair to say that the rally-rep cars will get closer to a bike than anything else. The humble Scoob, as you put it, will stand comparison with the finest and most expensive cars in the world, and as such has been called the performance bargain of the 20th century. Even with this car, you’re looking at a minimum of three times the price of a top bike, and probably a lot more. I reckon it’s a fair comparison.
As for Clarkson and his videos, spare me. The guy is known for writing a script and fitting the facts in to suit. Maybe, just maybe, the 911 was allowed to win? After all, who does Clarkson sell his product to – drivers or riders?
Bros
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At the ultimate level, F1 versus 500GP, cars are faster by around 20-30 seconds a lap. As these cars bear about as much resemblance to your Impreza as my granny does, I suggest we accept that when a car costs $20m, it goes faster than a $1m bike. And what on earth makes you think that 500GP bikes aren’t just as restricted as F1 cars?
Similarly, a MacLaren F1, fine car though it is, isn’t really a fair comparison with a superbike. After all, the Macca takes around 6.5 seconds to get to 60, around 1.5 seconds slower than my bike ……. Could you not find something that keeps up?
Seriously though, to compare something that costs £650k to my £3k Blade is a bit silly. Of course the MacLaren will be faster, corner quicker, and use more fuel (but probably less than a Scoob!!), but then for that level of differential so it flipping well should. Mind you, it might still be close, as although the car has all that performance, it’s got poor visibility (being in the centre of the car isn’t necessarily the best idea, and it’s incredibly low) and it’s comparatively wide. And the differential between it and a Scoob on a real road might not be that great – the Macca is astonishingly fast, granted, but it’s got that 250mph gearing as a hell of a handicap
Back in the real world, it’s probably fair to say that the rally-rep cars will get closer to a bike than anything else. The humble Scoob, as you put it, will stand comparison with the finest and most expensive cars in the world, and as such has been called the performance bargain of the 20th century. Even with this car, you’re looking at a minimum of three times the price of a top bike, and probably a lot more. I reckon it’s a fair comparison.
As for Clarkson and his videos, spare me. The guy is known for writing a script and fitting the facts in to suit. Maybe, just maybe, the 911 was allowed to win? After all, who does Clarkson sell his product to – drivers or riders?
Bros
At the ultimate level, F1 versus 500GP, cars are faster by around 20-30 seconds a lap. As these cars bear about as much resemblance to your Impreza as my granny does, I suggest we accept that when a car costs $20m, it goes faster than a $1m bike. And what on earth makes you think that 500GP bikes aren’t just as restricted as F1 cars?
Similarly, a MacLaren F1, fine car though it is, isn’t really a fair comparison with a superbike. After all, the Macca takes around 6.5 seconds to get to 60, around 1.5 seconds slower than my bike ……. Could you not find something that keeps up?
Seriously though, to compare something that costs £650k to my £3k Blade is a bit silly. Of course the MacLaren will be faster, corner quicker, and use more fuel (but probably less than a Scoob!!), but then for that level of differential so it flipping well should. Mind you, it might still be close, as although the car has all that performance, it’s got poor visibility (being in the centre of the car isn’t necessarily the best idea, and it’s incredibly low) and it’s comparatively wide. And the differential between it and a Scoob on a real road might not be that great – the Macca is astonishingly fast, granted, but it’s got that 250mph gearing as a hell of a handicap
Back in the real world, it’s probably fair to say that the rally-rep cars will get closer to a bike than anything else. The humble Scoob, as you put it, will stand comparison with the finest and most expensive cars in the world, and as such has been called the performance bargain of the 20th century. Even with this car, you’re looking at a minimum of three times the price of a top bike, and probably a lot more. I reckon it’s a fair comparison.
As for Clarkson and his videos, spare me. The guy is known for writing a script and fitting the facts in to suit. Maybe, just maybe, the 911 was allowed to win? After all, who does Clarkson sell his product to – drivers or riders?
Bros
25 May 2001, 06:03 PM
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Ork,
Lets finish this with a few simple questions.
Can you be 100% sure the bikers had the throttles completely open? Could you see this?
Can you be 100% sure they were attempting to catch and overtake you?
Can you be 100% sure they didnt think "he can go for it - my lifes worth more than some race with a nutter in a scooby who could cause an accident if we got near him"?
Can you be certain that the bikers didnt feel that they had nothing to prove? People dont race Novas in their scoobies because they know they can beat them.
The answer to the all the above is, im afraid NO (im a mind reader you see).
And therefore your posts are pointless and stupid and you are unjustified in declaring ANY sort of victory occured.
If you said that "the bikers and i travelled along at 100+ for a while - i was impressed with my scooby" you'd deserve more credit.
I overtook a Lambo Diablo on the M1 once, in a Citroen Xantia Diesal. I was doing 90 at the time. So in your words, i beat him and therefore a Xantia is faster than a Diablo?????
Nope.
Time to admit you DONT know and put it down to a good experience going quickly with a couple of bikers.
Dont start making assumptions cause the facts are if the bikers wanted to (will for life removed) they could have overtaken you easily!! Scoobies just arent fast enough to compete!!! (now im the one making assumptions!!!) Not the ones you mention anyway!!
Jza
Well done for a great thread tho - wound up lots of people!!!!!
Lets finish this with a few simple questions.
Can you be 100% sure the bikers had the throttles completely open? Could you see this?
Can you be 100% sure they were attempting to catch and overtake you?
Can you be 100% sure they didnt think "he can go for it - my lifes worth more than some race with a nutter in a scooby who could cause an accident if we got near him"?
Can you be certain that the bikers didnt feel that they had nothing to prove? People dont race Novas in their scoobies because they know they can beat them.
The answer to the all the above is, im afraid NO (im a mind reader you see).
And therefore your posts are pointless and stupid and you are unjustified in declaring ANY sort of victory occured.
If you said that "the bikers and i travelled along at 100+ for a while - i was impressed with my scooby" you'd deserve more credit.
I overtook a Lambo Diablo on the M1 once, in a Citroen Xantia Diesal. I was doing 90 at the time. So in your words, i beat him and therefore a Xantia is faster than a Diablo?????
Nope.
Time to admit you DONT know and put it down to a good experience going quickly with a couple of bikers.
Dont start making assumptions cause the facts are if the bikers wanted to (will for life removed) they could have overtaken you easily!! Scoobies just arent fast enough to compete!!!
(now im the one making assumptions!!!) Not the ones you mention anyway!!Jza
Well done for a great thread tho - wound up lots of people!!!!!
25 May 2001, 07:39 PM
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Matt. The battery is on charge already.
These things are great, they show how enthusiastic everyone is about their steeds, whether 2 or 4 wheeled..... Is there a winner..... Of course there is!
It's evrybody who's happy with what they've got (or not gotat the moment in my case).
As a long time Biker, The Impreza is the closest thing to a bike I've ever had, and I've had some STUNNINGLY fast cars (Renault Alpine A610 Etc).
Track days, once every blue moon, Motorbikes, anywhere/everywhere the sun shines.... And the more of that the better.
Ork.
All the different areas were tested years ago by Performance Car.
FZR1000 EXUP (top bike at that time) Versus Porsche 911 Turbo)
from memory the tests were:
Lateral G (constant circle)
0-60
0-100
Braking from set (high) speed
Max Speed
Slalom
and a couple more probably.
The only one the Porker won was the max Top Speed (IIRC)?
PC driver summed article up saying at least I won't get wet on the way home, (it had just started to rain). (And he was right).
Anyone want to loan me their Sportsbike for summer, drop me a line? (<I>Shut it Mr Bird</I>)
Mike.
These things are great, they show how enthusiastic everyone is about their steeds, whether 2 or 4 wheeled..... Is there a winner..... Of course there is!
It's evrybody who's happy with what they've got (or not gotat the moment in my case).
As a long time Biker, The Impreza is the closest thing to a bike I've ever had, and I've had some STUNNINGLY fast cars (Renault Alpine A610 Etc).
Track days, once every blue moon, Motorbikes, anywhere/everywhere the sun shines.... And the more of that the better.
Ork.
All the different areas were tested years ago by Performance Car.
FZR1000 EXUP (top bike at that time) Versus Porsche 911 Turbo)
from memory the tests were:
Lateral G (constant circle)
0-60
0-100
Braking from set (high) speed
Max Speed
Slalom
and a couple more probably.
The only one the Porker won was the max Top Speed (IIRC)?
PC driver summed article up saying at least I won't get wet on the way home, (it had just started to rain). (And he was right).
Anyone want to loan me their Sportsbike for summer, drop me a line?
(<I>Shut it Mr Bird</I>) Mike.
25 May 2001, 08:12 PM
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Some bikers are OK, but the majority are out to prove a point and I love dualing with them - they always get a shock when I'm just 2 feet behind them when they thought they had left me for dead. The scoob is well capable of keeping up with most bikes.
Of course a bike will beat a car in a straight line but come to one of those things that you'll find on most UK roads, a corner, then its bye bye - more so if its raining. This point has never been better proved than by Jeremy Clarkson when he raced a Porcshe Carrera 4 around the track Vs a top of the range super bike with some British bike champion on it. The car won, just, but the summary of the event by Clarkson was superb. Went something like "So, there you have it. Cars are faster than bikes, so bikers everywhere can SHUT-UP".
Of course a bike will beat a car in a straight line but come to one of those things that you'll find on most UK roads, a corner, then its bye bye - more so if its raining. This point has never been better proved than by Jeremy Clarkson when he raced a Porcshe Carrera 4 around the track Vs a top of the range super bike with some British bike champion on it. The car won, just, but the summary of the event by Clarkson was superb. Went something like "So, there you have it. Cars are faster than bikes, so bikers everywhere can SHUT-UP".
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McCrash,
Well named, next time your out in your scoob and are ton up, stick your head out the window and tell me if it feels faster Thats what its like on a bike. Not only is it faster but it feels faster. Best you get back to your nova bashing now
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, next time your out in your scoob and are ton up, stick your head out the window and tell me if it feels faster Thats what its like on a bike. Not only is it faster but it feels faster. Best you get back to your nova bashing now
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No one is disputing that bikes accelerate faster, can dismiss traffic, and corner quick in good conditions. It's just the assumption by many bikers that they can automatically "beat" any car in any conditions that is silly. The scoob is a great car that can be driven fast enough that it will beat a well-ridden Fireblade on a challenging country road, or easily match a middle-range sports bike driven flat out round high speed sweepers in the dry in N Wales. Sure, maybe the biker is "worried" about going faster. But the scoob driver isn't - so which is better in the "real world"? Each to his own.
I don't go round claiming bikes are slow on straights, or that they are dull to drive or that I leave them choking on my exhaust fumes whenever I feel like it. So why do so many bikers claim they'd massacre a car on any road, or that cars are overpriced snails or that they can't provide lots of driving fun?
I don't go round claiming bikes are slow on straights, or that they are dull to drive or that I leave them choking on my exhaust fumes whenever I feel like it. So why do so many bikers claim they'd massacre a car on any road, or that cars are overpriced snails or that they can't provide lots of driving fun?