Labour Proves Power Corrupts?
11 July 2002, 04:26 PM
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Its a shame we can't find another "Maggie". I know sections of society hate and hated her with a passion, but she did a lot for this country and its a shame more people don't realise that.
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11 July 2002, 04:54 PM
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Can anyone give me....
1.A solution to city centre congestion.....
2.A solution to the problem of ever increasing amounts of household waste......
3.A solution to the dilemna of wanting more,but expecting to pay less......
......ok...tongue in cheek,but you get my point....
11 July 2002, 04:55 PM
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Love her or hate her, Maggie always put this country first, before pandering to the Europeans.
Unlike the French, who f/uck us over at every given opportunity, knowing his Toniness will roll over and do nothing.
Unlike the French, who f/uck us over at every given opportunity, knowing his Toniness will roll over and do nothing.
11 July 2002, 05:00 PM
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Love her or hate her, Maggie always put this country first, before pandering to the Europeans.
Unlike the French, who f/uck us over at every given opportunity, knowing his Toniness will roll over and do nothing.
Unlike the French, who f/uck us over at every given opportunity, knowing his Toniness will roll over and do nothing.
11 July 2002, 06:19 PM
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Another tax on the way
Just heard on the news we may be charged a £5 rubbish tax for the bin men to empty our bins, I'll just sling my £5 in the street then, they can hunt for it after theyve left my bin abandoned in the street !!
Dave
Just heard on the news we may be charged a £5 rubbish tax for the bin men to empty our bins, I'll just sling my £5 in the street then, they can hunt for it after theyve left my bin abandoned in the street !!
Dave
11 July 2002, 06:33 PM
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Did you hear the one about £14 a week to recieve mail before 9? It just gets better doesnt it! Ohh and sell all your stocks and shares now, whilst they are worth something! God am I having a whinge today!
11 July 2002, 07:30 PM
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OK, so i decide to pay two quid a day to get my post early.
Thus, Mr Posty arrives at said 08:59 with my letters, but ignores the rest of the street!!
How bloody inefficient can you get [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
JUST WHERE IS OUR MONEY GOING?????
All kinds of tax are going up, yet the deliverables are going down?
...and it seems like the government/administration are the only ones gaining from our loss.
**** the lot of them :double-mad:
mb
Thus, Mr Posty arrives at said 08:59 with my letters, but ignores the rest of the street!!
How bloody inefficient can you get [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
JUST WHERE IS OUR MONEY GOING?????
All kinds of tax are going up, yet the deliverables are going down?
...and it seems like the government/administration are the only ones gaining from our loss.
**** the lot of them :double-mad:
mb
11 July 2002, 07:41 PM
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I agree TOTALLY about the £250k Stamp duty hike - if I remember it was brought in to slow the housing market!! pah, bollox has it!! It would be fair if 3% applied to the amount OVER £250k ..... NOT the whole bloody lot!!! I am looking at a house at £325k - thats £9750!!!!!! 
just for a small 4 bedroomed house!! so what if I can buy Glasgow for £5:99?? its a long way to drive to work!!!
HOWEVER - I am old enough and wise enough to remember quite a few governments in my time - and, without question, Labour has been much better for the country than any Tory administration!! thats a fact - I should be a tory lover as I may be considered well off, well paid, tiny mortgage on a £250k house, buy what I like ..... but we have a duty to look after the less fortunate, havent we?? all those scumbags need our money so they can get about in stolen cars and break into our houses while we are working for their family credits !!
Pete
just for a small 4 bedroomed house!! so what if I can buy Glasgow for £5:99?? its a long way to drive to work!!!HOWEVER - I am old enough and wise enough to remember quite a few governments in my time - and, without question, Labour has been much better for the country than any Tory administration!! thats a fact - I should be a tory lover as I may be considered well off, well paid, tiny mortgage on a £250k house, buy what I like ..... but we have a duty to look after the less fortunate, havent we?? all those scumbags need our money so they can get about in stolen cars and break into our houses while we are working for their family credits !!
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11 July 2002, 08:38 PM
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I think the idea with the Rubish Tax is a silly way of trying to get people to recycle more. in my house with 4 adults we rarely (xmas springs to mind) need more than 2 bags a week. We recycle paper,food waste (compost it) plastic bottles, tin cans and batteries. Old fuirniture sometimes goes to the local charity. So afer that theres not a huge amount left each week. Maybe if they'd promoted that aspect more people may be more understanding!
As for Thatcher. I couldn't vote whilst she was in power (too young) but would have done. Having read up on her ways and her undying patriotism. OK she may ot have had all the people all the time on her side. But she wasn't like the current politicians, all PC and Spin hiding behind people.
Richard
I think the idea with the Rubish Tax is a silly way of trying to get people to recycle more. in my house with 4 adults we rarely (xmas springs to mind) need more than 2 bags a week. We recycle paper,food waste (compost it) plastic bottles, tin cans and batteries. Old fuirniture sometimes goes to the local charity. So afer that theres not a huge amount left each week. Maybe if they'd promoted that aspect more people may be more understanding!
As for Thatcher. I couldn't vote whilst she was in power (too young) but would have done. Having read up on her ways and her undying patriotism. OK she may ot have had all the people all the time on her side. But she wasn't like the current politicians, all PC and Spin hiding behind people.
Richard
11 July 2002, 08:46 PM
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Can anyone give me....
1.A solution to city centre congestion.....
2.A solution to the problem of ever increasing amounts of household waste......
3.A solution to the dilemna of wanting more,but expecting to pay less......
......ok...tongue in cheek,but you get my point....
1.A solution to city centre congestion.....
2.A solution to the problem of ever increasing amounts of household waste......
3.A solution to the dilemna of wanting more,but expecting to pay less......
......ok...tongue in cheek,but you get my point....
1. Raise taxes
2. raise taxes
3. Raise taxes
</tongue in cheek mode>
Or
1. Odd numbers one day, evens the next
2. Ban non-recyclable packaging
3. Either better education or sell Scotland to the natives to subsidise everything
11 July 2002, 09:29 PM
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Labour better than the TOries? Remember the last time Labour was in power? They ended up going cap in hand to the Internation Monetary Fund for a loan like some third-world country. The profits from North Sea Oil went (and probably still are going on) paying it off. Sleaze? New Labour got rid of their own sleaze investigator because she kept finding examples of sleaze within New Labour! Remember Mandelson "forgetting" the £600,000 loan he got for his house? Every time Labour gets in power, the country is worse off than before.
Do the maths, every year, New Labour take more and more tax, but we get less and less for it. £34 billion in fuel tax translates into £8 billion a year spent on the roads. What disgusts me even more is the increases in indirect taxes on goods & services (as opposed to direct taxes like income tax). Indirect taxes shift the burden of taxation away from the rich and onto the poor, so much for Socialism.
An interesting programme on Freud pointed out that Blair's approach to getting elected was to find out what voters were interested in and make that his policies. The problem is that voters change their mind and tend not to think to the long term. Like her or hate her, at least you knew Maggie's opinion on every major subject. Tony just goes with whatever wins the current opinion pole and his biggest desire is to destroy every last vestige of this country, our culture, heritage and history in an effort to become the first president of Europe.
And if devolution was really happening, we wouldn't have to subsidise the Scottish economy to the tune of millions every year, but let's not go there!
Do the maths, every year, New Labour take more and more tax, but we get less and less for it. £34 billion in fuel tax translates into £8 billion a year spent on the roads. What disgusts me even more is the increases in indirect taxes on goods & services (as opposed to direct taxes like income tax). Indirect taxes shift the burden of taxation away from the rich and onto the poor, so much for Socialism.
An interesting programme on Freud pointed out that Blair's approach to getting elected was to find out what voters were interested in and make that his policies. The problem is that voters change their mind and tend not to think to the long term. Like her or hate her, at least you knew Maggie's opinion on every major subject. Tony just goes with whatever wins the current opinion pole and his biggest desire is to destroy every last vestige of this country, our culture, heritage and history in an effort to become the first president of Europe.
And if devolution was really happening, we wouldn't have to subsidise the Scottish economy to the tune of millions every year, but let's not go there!
11 July 2002, 09:49 PM
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Well I was lucky enough to start my own company just about the time Noo Labour came to power. Just a couple of people, taking a risk, looking to better their own lot off their own back and provide a service.
Shortly after, we had red tape and taxes dumped on us from a massive height from his tonyness. I'm sure Tony+Gordon added more pages to the Finance bill in one year than most governments manage in a single term! We managed to pull through (believe me, we were one of the lucky ones - many friends chucked it all in and returned to employment) but it cost us weeks of effort to keep everything under control, something a small business really cannot afford at the best of times.
No wonder the accountants around here are happy! All that extra work from confused businessman trying to figure out where this sly government is going to tax them from next...
Shortly after, we had red tape and taxes dumped on us from a massive height from his tonyness. I'm sure Tony+Gordon added more pages to the Finance bill in one year than most governments manage in a single term! We managed to pull through (believe me, we were one of the lucky ones - many friends chucked it all in and returned to employment) but it cost us weeks of effort to keep everything under control, something a small business really cannot afford at the best of times.
No wonder the accountants around here are happy! All that extra work from confused businessman trying to figure out where this sly government is going to tax them from next...
11 July 2002, 09:56 PM
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If devolution was really happening and Scotland got to keep its profits from North Sea oil...who would repay your load to the "Internation Monetary Fund"?
SDB
If devolution was really happening and Scotland got to keep its profits from North Sea oil...who would repay your load to the "Internation Monetary Fund"?
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12 July 2002, 08:40 AM
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Labour better than the TOries? Remember the last time Labour was in power? They ended up going cap in hand to the Internation Monetary Fund for a loan like some third-world country.
12 July 2002, 08:42 AM
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If devolution was really happening and Scotland got to keep its profits from North Sea oil...who would repay your load to the "Internation Monetary Fund"?
07 October 2002, 07:17 PM
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Am I gonna have a moan now or what!
I am now so sick of Labour’s double standards, stealthy and steadily increasing taxes and their dismissive public arrogance. Their continued patronising manipulation and haughty contempt for the electorate proves that power does indeed corrupt. Spin spin and line your nest, whilst nothing actually seems better than it was under the Tories…
Problem – congestion in London. Labour solution – TAX the problem. Clever ehh? Also in order for this solution to be later seen to work they are wasting millions and creating chaos in extending pavements into the road everywhere in London, further enhancing congestion. Remember the Rebecca riots – was nothing learnt from this historically unfair tax fact?
Backhanders from corporations and institutions; Bernie Ecclestone and the Indian steelworks guy to name only a few. Pathetic Banana Republic type corruption that they …
Stephen Byers – a mess of a man that was responsible for transport policy – HE DIDN’T EVEN DRIVE! Also he was finally sacked for telling the TRUTH about Labour (Euro poll) not for his arrogant contempt for the electorate – this is clearly tolerable. They arrogantly stood by him for the other misdeeds; this cost us at least £200,000 in payoffs for an individual whilst nurses continue to earn a pittance; we are now foced to ‘import’ them from poorer countries as no one wants do do the job here.
May I also moan about having to pay VAT on the euthanasia injection for my dog – a totally nauseating tax. They currently also want £750 for VAT on an essential roof repair I need; I can barely afford the repair let alone the tax on it. Unfair. VAT should be a tax on luxuries – it was once… Do you also know that this VAT is on top of ‘duty’ – most imported good have duty AND VAT- your TV/mountain bike/cellphone would be half the price otherwise. It’s tax layered on tax layered on tax, and then you die and get taxed on the amount left that you had already paid tax on…
Stamp Duty. They have allowed the housing market to become a rich man’s joke, so, when you are forced into playing the rich man’s game, they want Stamp Duty from you – a tax on having somewhere to live. I’m looking at £11,000 tax on an essential house move now – that’s about £50 a month for 25 years to the government for me having somewhere to live at crazy South East prices. It would be £3500 were the banding system fairer and linear – but no it jumps from 1% to 3% after 250k on the WHOLE amount.
Pension – my contributions over 17 years are worth £2000 more than I put in, whilst Scot Am’s offices no doubt have Rollers outside and Mahogany desks in the boardrooms with all the fat cats on £200k +. I expect my government to protect me from being exploited…
Plus England absurdly does not have a National Stadium anymore, the tax on petrol keeps increasing as does the new tax on the insurance necessary for the vehicle. Speed revenue SPECS big brother type cameras are appearing everywhere UNANNOUNCED, so clearly it is not for the ‘prevention’ aspect…
We have huge holes in the road and rats eating rubbish outside - but there is never an answer call at Hackney council as it is in a complete Labour controlled CHAOS. You can’t even park by your house for the £100 permit they demand, as they cunningly sell 50% more permits than they ‘own’ spaces. Thought my road tax covered parking anyway?
Ohh and then there’s public transport, foreign truckers being more competitive due to taxes, BSE, foot and mouth and the bl@@dy weather…
Am I Victor Meldrew or does anyone else feel the same? Is it time for a change of government ‘for the people, by the people’ and all that - this one has clearly lost the plot… The strong enjoy power and prey as the weak struggle, just as in medieval times – the historical similarities are curiously the same…
I know I’ve gone over the top, but…
[Edited by Diesel - 7/10/2002 7:26:38 PM]
I am now so sick of Labour’s double standards, stealthy and steadily increasing taxes and their dismissive public arrogance. Their continued patronising manipulation and haughty contempt for the electorate proves that power does indeed corrupt. Spin spin and line your nest, whilst nothing actually seems better than it was under the Tories…
Problem – congestion in London. Labour solution – TAX the problem. Clever ehh? Also in order for this solution to be later seen to work they are wasting millions and creating chaos in extending pavements into the road everywhere in London, further enhancing congestion. Remember the Rebecca riots – was nothing learnt from this historically unfair tax fact?
Backhanders from corporations and institutions; Bernie Ecclestone and the Indian steelworks guy to name only a few. Pathetic Banana Republic type corruption that they …
Stephen Byers – a mess of a man that was responsible for transport policy – HE DIDN’T EVEN DRIVE! Also he was finally sacked for telling the TRUTH about Labour (Euro poll) not for his arrogant contempt for the electorate – this is clearly tolerable. They arrogantly stood by him for the other misdeeds; this cost us at least £200,000 in payoffs for an individual whilst nurses continue to earn a pittance; we are now foced to ‘import’ them from poorer countries as no one wants do do the job here.
May I also moan about having to pay VAT on the euthanasia injection for my dog – a totally nauseating tax. They currently also want £750 for VAT on an essential roof repair I need; I can barely afford the repair let alone the tax on it. Unfair. VAT should be a tax on luxuries – it was once… Do you also know that this VAT is on top of ‘duty’ – most imported good have duty AND VAT- your TV/mountain bike/cellphone would be half the price otherwise. It’s tax layered on tax layered on tax, and then you die and get taxed on the amount left that you had already paid tax on…
Stamp Duty. They have allowed the housing market to become a rich man’s joke, so, when you are forced into playing the rich man’s game, they want Stamp Duty from you – a tax on having somewhere to live. I’m looking at £11,000 tax on an essential house move now – that’s about £50 a month for 25 years to the government for me having somewhere to live at crazy South East prices. It would be £3500 were the banding system fairer and linear – but no it jumps from 1% to 3% after 250k on the WHOLE amount.
Pension – my contributions over 17 years are worth £2000 more than I put in, whilst Scot Am’s offices no doubt have Rollers outside and Mahogany desks in the boardrooms with all the fat cats on £200k +. I expect my government to protect me from being exploited…
Plus England absurdly does not have a National Stadium anymore, the tax on petrol keeps increasing as does the new tax on the insurance necessary for the vehicle. Speed revenue SPECS big brother type cameras are appearing everywhere UNANNOUNCED, so clearly it is not for the ‘prevention’ aspect…
We have huge holes in the road and rats eating rubbish outside - but there is never an answer call at Hackney council as it is in a complete Labour controlled CHAOS. You can’t even park by your house for the £100 permit they demand, as they cunningly sell 50% more permits than they ‘own’ spaces. Thought my road tax covered parking anyway?
Ohh and then there’s public transport, foreign truckers being more competitive due to taxes, BSE, foot and mouth and the bl@@dy weather…
Am I Victor Meldrew or does anyone else feel the same? Is it time for a change of government ‘for the people, by the people’ and all that - this one has clearly lost the plot… The strong enjoy power and prey as the weak struggle, just as in medieval times – the historical similarities are curiously the same…
I know I’ve gone over the top, but…
[Edited by Diesel - 7/10/2002 7:26:38 PM]
07 November 2002, 06:01 AM
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The people of this country are the reason the Goverments get away with it.. We are weak and dont stand up to them.
Incidentally I feel exactly the same way as Diesel..... I get conned more than most via a certain agency..... We get screwed every which way the government can think of of screwing us..... If it wasn't for my missus wanting to be near to her parents I would have fled to Australia long ago.....I will be there one day, that's for sure. We all get screwed because of Luke's point - we let them..... Grrrrr.....[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
[Edited by SwinYE5 - 7/11/2002 9:39:28 AM]
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If you don't absolutely need to live in London, stop moaning or get out!
Annoyingly, if you bought a house for £100,000 say, just a few years ago, and now the market has ballooned it to £250,000 you're suddenly into the high stamp duty bracket through no actions of your own.
Even more annoying is that President Blair says that he's introduced the new stamp duty on sales of houses, to stimulate the market. What kind of bull5hit spin is that ? You penalise people for settling in their home ? It's not like the housing market is dead anyway.
[Edited by DavidBrown - 7/11/2002 10:38:24 AM]
07 November 2002, 01:56 PM
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If you think your taxes are bad now, wait until next April when the next hike kicks in. Its fooking sick to see that just over 40% of my pay goes AWOL every month, and that is set to increase next year with the increase in NI and the Cap taken off. I'll be looking near on 45% of my take home pay going in tax.
Of course the money I do have left is used to buy things, which guess what? yup they are taxed as well.
I think it would scare me if I sat down and worked out how much tax (which includes VAT) I actually pay every month. I bet the figure is over 60% of my gross pay.
Anyway, I do get the the impression that the tide is turning on Tony Blair and his lier's, and if he's stupid enough to call a referendum on the Euro, that could be the final nail in his coffin. I for one hope so.
Its a shame we can't find another "Maggie". I know sections of society hate and hated her with a passion, but she did a lot for this country and its a shame more people don't realise that.
As for blaming the Tories for the state of the railways (not sure about education), the railways were going down hill decades ago. Probably about the time they were nationlised in the first place.
[Edited by ^Qwerty^ - 7/11/2002 2:00:46 PM]
Of course the money I do have left is used to buy things, which guess what? yup they are taxed as well.
I think it would scare me if I sat down and worked out how much tax (which includes VAT) I actually pay every month. I bet the figure is over 60% of my gross pay.
Anyway, I do get the the impression that the tide is turning on Tony Blair and his lier's, and if he's stupid enough to call a referendum on the Euro, that could be the final nail in his coffin. I for one hope so.
Its a shame we can't find another "Maggie". I know sections of society hate and hated her with a passion, but she did a lot for this country and its a shame more people don't realise that.
As for blaming the Tories for the state of the railways (not sure about education), the railways were going down hill decades ago. Probably about the time they were nationlised in the first place.
[Edited by ^Qwerty^ - 7/11/2002 2:00:46 PM]
07 November 2002, 04:46 PM
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Totally agree
Over the past year or so have entered into a few threads of this nature and each time the ammount of backers for Tony and his gang has become less and less, NO ONE standing up for him this time. The week of the Jubilee and the W Cup was the best time this country has had in a long time, but now we are back to normal, I'm still waiting for Fat Boy Two Jags to resign, well he did promise after the Selby train crash that he would resign if another such incident occured, nowhere to be seen after P bar was he, and how can you have the PM his Chancellor and the deputy PM all anti each other??
BD Blue just remember when u slag off the SE you slag off the part of the country that generates the most cash/tax which funds under developed countries like yours, do u realise how much money central government spends on Scotland wales and N.I. ?? u never hear Wales or N.I. complaining as loudly as the scots, personally since I have been on SNet I have really noticed the strong anti English theme coming from Scotland, I love Scotland what a beautiful part of the world, I agree I could by a property there for a 5th of what i pay down here, one day I may but my profession makes me stay here. and who's to say I'd be welcome .
At the end of the day the bottom line is new Labour old tory call them what u like just arent doing it and really havent been doing it, as they saying goes Bullsh1t baffles brains, and Tony and his crew have been treating us all like mushrooms for far too long.
No time for a spell check too busy
Dave
[Edited by Funkii Munkii - 7/11/2002 4:51:36 PM]
Over the past year or so have entered into a few threads of this nature and each time the ammount of backers for Tony and his gang has become less and less, NO ONE standing up for him this time. The week of the Jubilee and the W Cup was the best time this country has had in a long time, but now we are back to normal, I'm still waiting for Fat Boy Two Jags to resign, well he did promise after the Selby train crash that he would resign if another such incident occured, nowhere to be seen after P bar was he, and how can you have the PM his Chancellor and the deputy PM all anti each other??
BD Blue just remember when u slag off the SE you slag off the part of the country that generates the most cash/tax which funds under developed countries like yours
, do u realise how much money central government spends on Scotland wales and N.I. ?? u never hear Wales or N.I. complaining as loudly as the scots, personally since I have been on SNet I have really noticed the strong anti English theme coming from Scotland, I love Scotland what a beautiful part of the world, I agree I could by a property there for a 5th of what i pay down here, one day I may but my profession makes me stay here. and who's to say I'd be welcome .At the end of the day the bottom line is new Labour old tory call them what u like just arent doing it and really havent been doing it, as they saying goes Bullsh1t baffles brains, and Tony and his crew have been treating us all like mushrooms for far too long.
No time for a spell check too busy
Dave
[Edited by Funkii Munkii - 7/11/2002 4:51:36 PM]
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