Andrewza

Source RPMs, no relevance to you unless you want to start rolling your RPMs, which I doubt.

super_si

oh right thanks

Was it hard getting drivers, using the net etc

Andrewza

That's very hardware dependant, drivers are for the most part in with the kernel, there's not much downloading third party drivers as such like with windows. If it works it works, if it doesn't you can end up doing all sorts of fun and games to make it work or it may just not at all

dsmith

Si

I have used limux a bit and installed it a few times. There are plenty of people who seem to be able to find drivers from the net etc - but installing them is absolutely nothing like windows. I have found that if its not auto-detected at install then its going to be hard - simply because almost everything is auto-detected so if its not found its for a reason.

My advice if you are just starting to experiment is get a good recent distribution (e.g. RedHat 7.3) and let it do its thing during install. If you have any wacky harwdare that it doesn't know about you are on a hiding to nothing and it almost certainly wont be worth the hassle to get it working

Deano

super_si

ok cheers mate no doubt ill have 1000's posts up soon! Just downloading all Windows updates at the moment

Si

Dream Weaver

Si - you will have the last laugh in the end!! You are 18/19 right? And you already know plenty of IT stuff, and come on here to learn more. Carry on the way you are and by the time you get to my age (28/29) you will be earning **** loads of money as a programmer or something similar in IT/App Development.

At least you have started nice and early

Simon

dsmith

He has a point. When I look back and think how little use I made of the People and knowledge available at University I could kick myself.

Deano

Dream Weaver

Oh...you might want to take a GCSE in English & English Grammar as well though, as it will help with job apps etc.

Just a joke Si

Keep it up, DW

chiark

...but who types in grammatically correct sentences on a bbs? Life's too short.

super_si

yeah 19ish

canny annoying got D in both english and C's in French and German!

Weird!!

No way do i want to be a programmer to stressful! !

Always was my ambition to program but after this year its scary

Si

dsmith

I spent the first 5 years of my working life identifying things I didnt want to do. Was left with Networking, - which I do actually enjoy.

Deano

Andrewza

Networking is kinda fun compared to some stuff. Lotsa big boxes with blinkin' lights tell ya!

dsmith

I get scared if anything has to be accessed via something other than Hyperterm or telnet

super_si

Yeah i wouldnt mind networking

I do like hands on but no money in that area

testing games would be good

Si

David_Wallis

dsmith... can telnet 2 windows 2000

David_Wallis

theres money in hands on!

Networking could be classed as hands on!

David

dsmith

Really ?

super_si

i mean as in drawing Fibre optics building pcs things like that

more manual labour

dsmith

its fun for a while - but you get bored of it. Much nicer to draw a few lines in visio and then watch the cable monkeys do it

super_si

lol yeah we did a piece coursework for designing a network think mine was over kill though!

I had an FDDI back bone running up the towers with gateway to talk to the IBM mainframe and ethernets on each floor

http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/modules/2001...signment_2.htm

13/15

dsmith

Hmmm. No Mention of 10/100/1000 Ethernet - just "Ethernet". To be honest that assignment looks about 5 years out of date. FDDI is a great technology but GigE is so much cheaper now that there are few new deployments of FDDI.

For whats its worth - I'd use plenty of GigE fibre backbones from central comm rooms to each floor distribution switches with plenty of VLANs to keep the departments logically separated . All central services (I/Net , dial in, IBM etc ) located in central commsroom

If only requirements arrived so well packaged. - A real assignment should force you to sit in meetings with f**kwit managers for 2 months attempting to beat out of them what it is they really want with a large stick (which I guess applies to development etc aswell )

Deano

super_si

oh man thats sounds hard lol never touched any that yet!

next year ive got...

Object-Oriented Design and Programming
Concurrent Event-Driven Programming
Algorithm Application Areas
The Algorithm Designer's Toolkit
Hardware and Software Interfaces
Group Project
Professional Issues
Formal Specification of Software
Requirements and Systems Analysis
Databases
Formal Methods in Practice
Analysis of Algorithms
Computer Networks and Communications

very very hard

dsmith

Still cnat see "beating requirements out of management" or "justfying budget to morons". Degrees can't give all the key skills

Puff The Magic Wagon!

iTrader: (2)

Half of that lot can be summed up really easily...

Bull$h1t

Gotta say I thought there was money in 'puters, but it looks like "Course Design" for students is money for old rope - must change job

super_si

tell me about it!

Did assembler this year never ever gonna use that again

Used VB more liked that not to difficult

Si

David_Wallis

why cant they teach you something usefull at uni... no offence all our graduates are usless..

When you have multiple VLANs in cabinets I was explaining to them why I had coloured (not with pen) all the cables...

They just dont know **** when they come to work.... nothing work related anyway... like oh yeah thats a fibre running under the floor to your cabinet... ooops I stood on it.. does it matter?

and if they say but I know the seven layer osi model once more... woopie phucking doo.. Ive got a book on IP6 on my desk, doesnt mean I know it!

Hate them!

Dsmith... what would your choice of backbone switches be??? cisco?? foundry?? At the moment we use Lucent Switchs... with gigabit backbone and redundant fibres.. eventually changing to all cisco.. to get a cisco 'approved' network as our other buildings.... Wish they would hurry up... I get about 200k to my desk not 200... Other office has blown fibre to the desk

And we are head office!

David

super_si

dont use it again do it?

ISO OSI thingy lol done that for last 2yrs! !not really relivant lol

Si

MrDeference

Erm. Apart from next year... and if you do ever become a developer. Otherwise, probably not.

dsmith

The 7 layer is relevant. Its is important to understand what layer you are working at and the differences and implications - but its not the be all and end all. Most importantly diff between Layer 2 and Layer 3 (switching vs routing).

(Twittering tonight as @work on audio listening to cable monkeys muck about with cables and tapping keys every now and again )

super_si

im just re-installing 2k then suppose ill have to start packing......