Carolyn T-S

Actually, the reason my car is quicker than DTS is that he drives like a wuss

and I have no fear - not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing

Dave T-S

John
Dunno, but I wasn't one of them!

Obviously buying six Imprezas in 20 months counts for zip LOL

johnfelstead

LOL

Maybe mike was scared of having his *** kicked. LOL

T5NYW

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Pete,
Maybe the select group may have been picked buy the number of replies on PPP threads so here's another one LOL
Mine you All this WEB hype, and Info Leakage is a very cheap form of advertising. This would cost Thousands and done for free

Our Local area meets and have done more for sales of STi7's than the WRC It's enhusiast that buy Impreza's not for cheapness, fuel economy or looks

Tony( PPP marketing Manager)not LOL

Ps Mike Wood mines a free PPP LOL

wacky.banana

Carolyn,

Dave drives like a wuss eh? LOL

Pete, glad you're still alive & kicking! You have just put your finger on the very crux of this thread, which is the "amazing" marketing strategy of this product, and what it can do to customer demand (not).

My gut feel is that apart from those who really believe in the Prodrive product and organisation, if it wasn't for the warranty issue, most people with money burning a hole in their pockets might have looked at alternative solutions long ago!

If, as you say, its IM/UK Subaru who are resposible for the marketing strategy of this product, I would hope they would re-examine that strategy before a loyal (albeit tied in) customer base gets pretty cheesed off! Certainly if I was Prodrive (I'm not so will be forever poor) I would be unhappy that my good reputation out there in the field was being potentially tarnished by the actions of my product partner.

Someone reminded me the other day that in today's society, the consumer is king (and rightly so).

WB

Damn, I forgot the smileys the first time round!

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T5NYW

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Dave,
Don't let the bu**ers grind you down LOL

I hope my country(from the sticks) sense of humour ain't offended yee

"It's good to talk"

Does "WUS" mean "not sure which one is the throttle"

Tony
(just clocking another PPP thread just in case the rumours are true LOL)

Dave T-S

WB/Tony
If it makes Mrs T-S happy to say I drive like a wuss, who am I to disagree? Easier for domestic harmony methinks.....

Pete Croney

Carolyn

My missus is quicker than me, too. Something in the Essex water supply me thinks

Dave T-S

Pete
Careful.....Carolyn is a Cambridgeshire born girl - though she's lived in Essex for long I suppose she is an honorary Essex girl now

Now how do I know I am going to pay for that remark....

Fat Boy

Hmm

That's funny, Dave ,I'm pretty sure that Carolyn said to me that you always get there first

Dave T-S

Talking of Muppets - FB's arrived.....

mutant_matt

So the reason Carolyn always lets you drive Dave, must be because she thinks you need the practise?

Matt

Dave T-S

Typical - Muppets are like no 15 buses - you don't see one for ages, then three come along......

Phil Harrison

"......Mighty Strange..."

A good choice of words!!

Phil
aka Sam the bald eagle

wacky.banana

Anyway, where were we? Anyone know the torque figures for the PPP yet?? If you do, say aye!

chrisp

more than 200lb/ft and less than 10000lb/ft is my guess

Fat Boy

IFG

I'll get my coat !

hawkeye

After reading this and many other posts regarding the ppp pack I think the following:-

Sti 7 ppp pack compromises following:

Remapped ecu
High flow air filter
Turbo/Induction pipework changed
Exhaust changes, Back Box, Cats changed to High Flow Units 1 or poss both (possibly even restrictor removed)

305 bhp 295lbsft torque

How far wrong do you think I am? No far methinks

This adds up to £2000 whoa a lot of money?

My question now is this, if they tinker with all the above surely this gives people more scope to modify their Uk Sti without major warranty issues.

If prodrive/subaru can fit a high flow cat why can't you.

having spoken to many dealers regarding the warranty issue, some seen very laid back, others vertical the reading is that any modification which directly or indirectly causes a fault will invalidate your warranty. Changing the cats won't invalidate your total warranty.

It's interesting

Hawkeye

Ps Dave T-s I admire the resolute attitude you have to keeping information private, I seem to remember someone else doing this a while ago and getting cane'd for it. (cypriot humour and all that)


Cheers Hawkeye

mutant_matt

Because you're not Subaru or Prodrive and they won't know the quality/knock on effects of someone they don't know fitting a part they don't the know the details of (and that they haven't tested).

Matt

hawkeye

I agree with your point in principle however, I'm sure Scoobysport, Magnex and the many other exhaust manufacturers feel that their products are at least equal to Subaru's.

My point is that if Subaru/prodrive do fit a free flowing cat to the car what reasons are stopping you from fitting a part equal to or greater in quality. None that I can think of.

What I'm saying is it should open the door for far more legitimate modifications of the car.

Cheers Hawkeye

Pete Croney

Hawkeye

We don't sell catted systems because we haven't been able to find a cat that...

flows better than standard

AND

works well enough to prevent error code P0420

AND

will do so for 60,000 miles / 3 years

... at a price which people would be prepared to pay.

eg would you pay £600+ for a downpipe?

People who do make catted sections... what warranty do you give?

wacky.banana

Hawkeye, was it you that had the "hush hush" black STi7 that was the subject of a long thread a while back?

WB

hawkeye

Twas indeed and i'm enjoying it very much.

Just trying to give constructive points that's all.

Pete
please don't feel I was having a pop at you your exhausts are excellant. I was just wondering why people don't try the high flow cat option to limit the warranty issues. I'm sure someday someone will. Also it seems to me that the answer to your questions of would I pay £600+ for a pipe would be yes if I buy the PPP pack!!

My main point is that choice is something people like and if you have the choice of de-catting your car and invalidating certain parts of the warranty or the ppp pack it weighs heavily towards the PPP however if there was another high flow cat option at least you have a choice

Hawkeye



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Claudius

Yes it is. Havent you ever driven one?

Claudius

It is not "fast enough already". It may be "fast enough for Neil" already though...

If you want better response low down, you wont achieve that with "PPP" stuff

Claudius

Everybody wanted a 6 speed gearbox. They made one. Now use it!

Seriously, if the powerband were broader, you wouldnt need to play with it as much, you are absolutely correct.

Claudius

Exactly.

EXACTLY!

Are you saying that the Mitsubishi Evolution 7 being more performant than a Subaru Impreza STI is a matter of opinion??

Actually, the reason is never BECAUSE, the reason is always THAT

Claudius

You can. There are lots of examples in strict countries such as Switzerland where tuners such as Digit Power fit high flow cats to Subarus and other cars.

Claudius

So you are saying that you cant make a high flow cat that wont trigger a fault code in the ECU, that you cant change the values in the ECU as to not trigger that fault code and that your cat couldnt last 3 years? Which company do you work for?