Hyperex

M3 is double the price of scooby. If after the name BMW, no doubt have to buy to enjoy. But just want to win in performance, just pay 1/2 of the difference on price to mod it and M3 shall smell smoke.

ARRON BIRD

I see the M3 kicked the Evo`s **** and I bet he enjoyed the Harmon Kardon effect in the process

GaryC

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by chrisp:
<B>Like I said I considered a 330D but realised how much I would miss the scoob community. Good friends made but not the same if you dont have a scoob.
[/quote]


I disagree - I am still very much part of the community, and with a year and a half of MY99 ownership (and tuning ) can impart a great deal of information to other impreza owners. I am still a huge fan of the scooby, and always will be. Just beacuse the 330d (and soon to arrive Caterham ) fit my circumstances better, doesn't change who I am or what I am - or what I love

There have only been two so-called friends who have 'turned their backs' on me since selling my Impreza - their narrow minded loss

Furthermore I have a very good friend who leaves his tuned STi 4 Type R with me while he is away, with the orders to 'make sure she doesn't get cold' It is currently sat in my garage but not for long I also have a P1 owning friend who will let me have a 'play' whenever I want (as long as I return the favour with the caterham when it gets here - I re-aquaint myself with the wonderful world of Scooby Doo on an ongoing basis but do so without the the handicap of 'blinkers'

Sideways

Just read this thread with interest, having always wanted an M3 Evo E36 on selling my Escort Cos decided to buy one. Great car in a straight line , but everywhere I went I was pointing somewhere else. My mate has a My00 and let me have a go in it, after 30 seconds my exact words to him were " The M3's up for sale " I sold the M3 the next week and bought a UK MY97 Impreza and love it. Having had all the cosworth range, vauxhall turbos and all that type of thing the Impreza rates with the best. Grin factor 10/10



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spudgun

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by jason b:
<B>Overall EVO 7 IS A BETTER CAR which is why i chose it, driven both much the same verdict as June edition of CAR magazine.
+ if i apply a de-cat pipe and filter i will kick your M3 ars* on performance as well as steering, road holding etc etc must i go on.
All M3`S look out for the BIG RED 7 in August when i get my License back cause i will be the Hunter and YOU WILL BE THE HUNTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You better stick to busy built-up area`s so you can look a your reflection in all those shop window`s you to**ers as quoted by the man Clarkson.
J[/quote]

LMAO @ jason

just my opinion, i thought 330 was great, just needed to chop it QUICK, and what else would i buy for 15.5k??
i think the new m3 looks great, but have not been in one. i also think new evo7 looks good too, but again i aint been in one.
what i HAVE been in, is an sti5 for last two weeks, and i have never had SO much fun for the money.
i love ALL fast cars, i try not to slag off if i can( except the dog ugly my01 ), coz who knows what i'll be driving in the future? maybe one day i'll have an evo7 or m3( if i win the pools ), so i try not to burn my bridges
i will enjoy meeting all these cars on an open road

Deep Singh

Could'nt agree more Spud. Sheep Singh!!.

logiclee

I haven't read all the post so apologies if I'm repeating anything.

Autocar figures have been quoted so has anyone seen this weeks 0 to 100 to 0 challenge?

M3
0- 30, 2.01
0- 60, 5.00
0-100, 12.12
0-100-0, 17.04

Warrenda Impreza sti
0- 30, 1.59
0- 60, 4.57
0-100, 11.56
0-100-0, 16.48

Warrenda Evo VII
0- 30, 1.62
0- 60, 4.33
0-100, 11.71
0-100-0, 16.44

UK MY01
0- 30, 1.80
0- 60, 5.7
0- 100, 17.03
0-100-0, 21.86

The Warrenda cars were lightly modded, sti had 320bhp, Evo VII had 340 bhp.

So no Subaru or Mitsubishi can keep up with an M3 then.

Cheers
Lee

GCollier

What a load of bickering muppets. Are some people here so insecure in their choice of car, that they need the approval of a magazine article before they can anjoy it?

Are people here also so gullible that they believe the latest "uncatchable across country" bollox that gets bestowed upon the latest STi/Evo/M3 (delete as appropriate depending upon issue/magazine)? For how many people is the car really the limiting factor in any significant percentage of their A-B speed (what about road conditions, other traffic, driving ability, acceptable level of risk/insanity?)

I'm sorry, but it appears that a lot of people seem to be thinking that because their car (whatever it is) may be a couple of tenths quicker to a hundred on an ideal test track, it translates into them being somehow a superior individual and a person of more sophisticated taste.

Gary.

GaryC

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by logiclee:
<B>I haven't read all the post so apologies if I'm repeating anything.

Autocar figures have been quoted so has anyone seen this weeks 0 to 100 to 0 challenge?

M3
0- 30, 2.01
0- 60, 5.00
0-100, 12.12
0-100-0, 17.04

Warrenda Impreza sti
0- 30, 1.59
0- 60, 4.57
0-100, 11.56
0-100-0, 16.48

Warrenda Evo VII
0- 30, 1.62
0- 60, 4.33
0-100, 11.71
0-100-0, 16.44

UK MY01
0- 30, 1.80
0- 60, 5.7
0- 100, 17.03
0-100-0, 21.86

The Warrenda cars were lightly modded, sti had 320bhp, Evo VII had 340 bhp.

So no Subaru or Mitsubishi can keep up with an M3 then.

Cheers
Lee[/quote]


20% and 30% power increases are hardly 'lightly' modded But it does almost prove the point. Even with the advantage of AWD off-the-line grip, the Evo 7 needs a 30% power increase (and thus a better PWR) to beat the M3 0 to 100mph - and even then only by 4 tenths of a second Obviously the STi faired better but the fact that it too needs 20% more power (and the AWD traction advantage with a better PWR) to beat the M3 by half a second again prove the point

Obviously by far the bigger point with those figures is that the STi was quicker than the EVO despite a 20bhp deficit


Oh and Jason - if you look at the figures, you'll see the M3 is quicker 60-100 than heavily modded EVO7 - so unless you are planning a 65bhp+ power increase - I wouldn't go hunting M3s

logiclee

Gary,

I take your point, but the Warrender cars are only lightly modded. Induction, exhausts and an ecu tweak, no engine or turbo mods. Autocar quote the standard 280bhp as being highly suspicious so it doesn't take much to get 320bhp.

The Warrender STI 320 is still over £6000 cheaper than the M3.

I would have thought the M3 would have been quicker than it was from 30-100 with 343bhp and no 4WD losses but 1577kg is a lot of weight to shift. Still an awesome bit of kit though.

Lee


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logiclee

Mr Collier,

Spot on mate.

On 95% of my travels my Skoda diesel is just as quick as the Scoob or Mondeo V6, as well as being a lot cheaper.

Lee

Trout...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Grant.revan:
<B>
On the limit BMW's have always been tail happy. Great fun to drive but need very good drivers. Most of the people who buy M3's never get near the limit.

In the wet they are a nightmare. Either traction control will sap all the power or if you turn it off you end up with the back end going everywhere. It would take a very brave (Stupid) driver to compete with any 4 wheel drive in bad conditions. (I don't see BMW entering any rallys).

[/quote]


Clearly an expert on BMWs....NOT!

The most recent Beems, 3 and 5 series requires pretty lunatic or expert driving skills to get the back end 'all over the place'. New coupe and M3 suffer from severe understeer at the limit (even in the wet) unless you provoke oversteer by lifting off mid-corner - and, surprise, surprise, the Scoob will behave exactly the same way if you do the same things. I am not saying that they are the same to drive, they have different balance, if anything the BMW is easier to steer on the throttle (I would be interested in SDBs view), but on limit behaviour is not tail happy.

As I have said elsewhere I have the dogma of a Scoob owner and am obviously a tosser as I have both the Beemer and an STi - heavily modded and without the weight penalty of the new Version 7.

Sti is miles quicker - but both are EXCELLENT drives.

Trout


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Chins

Lemmy

Whilst I agree with Gary and yourself about the bickering in the thread, the differences that 0.1 sec make to 60 etc.

To say your fed up with this type of thread ?
The title tells you roughly what the thread is about, its your choice as to whether you open it. What bores you might be fun to others. I find loads of threads dull and uninteresting, but do enjoy the x vs y threads.

Its each to his own. Just dont open it if it bores you. Its like pub talk to an extent on the BBS.

We have settled the STI vs EVO debate in favour of the STI , I'm sure Gary would agree

Jonathan

Squizz

Horses for courses...

Bimmer M3 - Wonderfully made, very fast, very comfortable, actually not bad for the money(*).

Subaru Impreza - very fast, quite comfortable, safe in all conditions, a steal at the price(*).

* - Comparative prices versus other new cars.

I drive an MY99 Impreza, and have blown away a friendly M3 on twisties and, only to have him outdrag me on a dual-carriageway.

The cars are chalk and cheese and comparison as in the magazines is a false economy. Just enjoy what you have...I'd have an M3, certainly. As I'd have a 911 Turbo!

(Mind you, most driving fun I've had was in a Skoda Rapide coupe' !!)

GCollier

LOL @ Jonathan

Lemmy

Chins

My point about being fed up with the petty bickering has nothing to do with disliking x vs y threads. What anoys me is some of the daft arguments put forward and statements like "x is 0.1 secs faster from 30-70 mph according to GoFaster Magazine and therefore is........".

I must also say I agree totally with Sqizz
and would add one other benefit of being a Scooby fan and owner: this BBS, which is a great source of useful information and contrevercial debate.

Alan

Jza

How many M3 drivers have had the opportunity to "ave a go" at a warrender Evo or STI?

This whole thread proves nothing - its all what/if BS....

When you drive a car, you cant use the performance - so my answer is that in a comparison between EVO/STI/M3 this is what matters:

All have to stay &lt;=70mph on the motorways or get knicked

All have to stay &lt;=60mph on country roads or they get knicked

All get stuck in traffic

All get knicked by Plod and Scum

So it boils down to HOW MANY $$$$$'s you have.

Therefore, in the real world, do you have between £31K and £38K to spend? - if so then


a) Lucky bugger
b) You'll get stuck in traffic jams / speed trapped like the rest of us
c) how comfortable do you want to be for 95% of the time compared with the 5% when you can gun it will determine what car you go for

I like all three cars and would be happy with either. In 6 months and 5K miles ive never seen another Scooby to overtake, so whether my car does 0-60 in x secs is kinda irrelevant sont you think??

Good to discuss down the pub though

Jza

Lemmy

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by GCollier:
<B>What a load of bickering muppets. Are some people here so insecure in their choice of car, that they need the approval of a magazine article before they can anjoy it?

Are people here also so gullible that they believe the latest "uncatchable across country" bollox that gets bestowed upon the latest STi/Evo/M3 (delete as appropriate depending upon issue/magazine)? For how many people is the car really the limiting factor in any significant percentage of their A-B speed (what about road conditions, other traffic, driving ability, acceptable level of risk/insanity?)

I'm sorry, but it appears that a lot of people seem to be thinking that because their car (whatever it is) may be a couple of tenths quicker to a hundred on an ideal test track, it translates into them being somehow a superior individual and a person of more sophisticated taste.

Gary.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more, Gary. This thread is one of several over the last few months in which people argue about whether a Scooby, Evo, M3, Cosworth, Integra Type R etc. is best. Much of it is so petty and I am sure most of us are fed up with it.

Choosing a car for yourself is a personal choice and depends on your priorities. In the real world, not "magazine world", a few tenths of a second difference in 0-100 performance will not as much difference as road conditions, other traffic, driving ability, etc. Also it is not unknown for manufacturers supplying demo cars to motoring magazines to "boost" their power to obtain unrepresentative performance figures, e.g. suspect values for Skoda Octavia RS in Autocar recently.

The reason I bought my Scoob was that it gave me by far the biggest smile factor for my budget of any other car I looked at.

Alan

Diablo

Just for the record I can get from a to b in ANY given circumstances as fast in my Integra as I could my UK MY99 scoob.

At a guess

Integra
0-60 in 6.5
0 to 100 in 16.5
max speed 140 mph

UK scoob
0-60 in 5.5
0-100 in 14.5
max speed 145mph

Interesting Scoob probably 2 seconds faster to 100 so my opening comment can't be right, can it?

Err..yes it can. Unless you happen to be sitting at the pod, up against an M3 or whatever, with an identical clone in the other car, you are not going to notice ANY difference between the STI, P1, Evo 6 or 7, M3 or whatever. less than 1 second to 100 is reaction time, not "blown away" time.

Guys, some of you need to get out a bit more and stop arguing over 10ths of a second.

Only time you'd notice a difference is probably on a straight Autobahn at 140mph+. On the twisties, wet or dry, there is probably only a handful of people on this board (if that) who are ultimately competent to be able "loose" any of the cars listed in this post when driving any of the others, unless the other driver was seriously incompetent.

Can we get a reality check here? All are brilliant cars (as is my Integra and it cost £000s less and is apparently a lot slower )

D

jjr1

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Diablo:
<B>Just for the record I can get from a to b in ANY given circumstances as fast in my Integra as I could my UK MY99 scoob.

At a guess

Integra
0-60 in 6.5
0 to 100 in 16.5
max speed 140 mph

UK scoob
0-60 in 5.5
0-100 in 14.5
max speed 145mph

Interesting Scoob probably 2 seconds faster to 100 so my opening comment can't be right, can it?

Err..yes it can. Unless you happen to be sitting at the pod, up against an M3 or whatever, with an identical clone in the other car, you are not going to notice ANY difference between the STI, P1, Evo 6 or 7, M3 or whatever. less than 1 second to 100 is reaction time, not "blown away" time.

Guys, some of you need to get out a bit more and stop arguing over 10ths of a second.

Only time you'd notice a difference is probably on a straight Autobahn at 140mph+. On the twisties, wet or dry, there is probably only a handful of people on this board (if that) who are ultimately competent to be able "loose" any of the cars listed in this post when driving any of the others, unless the other driver was seriously incompetent.

Can we get a reality check here? All are brilliant cars (as is my Integra and it cost £000s less and is apparently a lot slower )

D[/quote]

Top post and I agree because driver ability counts for so much more than 4wd turbo's etc unless we are talking straight lines.

Best display of driving I ever saw was at Silverstone in a Micra. Yes a Nissan Micra !!! David Leslie (ex-touring car driver) took me round and explained that the secret in a car like this is momentum. In the complex area he threw the car sideways! Not turned it in just threw it in a quick dab of the brake to get the rear out and we then proceeded to glide effortlessly past a Primera GT being driven competently !

By the way if anyone on here believes 0-60 times etc by magazines than they are living in fantasy land. I used to work at one and urm well if we didn't get a faster time than a rival we just made it up !!!!