BHP per tonne same question different BBS
10 July 2001, 11:38 PM
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John
Do you mean, that you think your car can produce the same level of cornering force as the exige?
If so, you're kidding yourself..
Or do you mean that you would probably be cornering as fast as David?
Cheers
Simon
Do you mean, that you think your car can produce the same level of cornering force as the exige?
If so, you're kidding yourself..
Or do you mean that you would probably be cornering as fast as David?
Cheers
Simon
11 July 2001, 08:11 AM
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john
How could I ever have doubted you!!
Your tyres *are* superb, but I'm not so sure they would be *much* better than the exige's tyres if at all.
But..
car/driver combination is a completely different thing.. and the john/westie combination is pretty formidable (sp?).
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Simon
How could I ever have doubted you!!
Your tyres *are* superb, but I'm not so sure they would be *much* better than the exige's tyres if at all.
But..
car/driver combination is a completely different thing.. and the john/westie combination is pretty formidable (sp?).
Cheers
Simon
11 July 2001, 08:43 AM
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All very Interesting...
SDB, I meant Stef not the Exige regarding brakes BTW....
An Exige should destroy all of us on the track......especially if they got 340bhp...
What have you done to get this power anyway David.
SDB, I meant Stef not the Exige regarding brakes BTW....
An Exige should destroy all of us on the track......especially if they got 340bhp...
What have you done to get this power anyway David.
11 July 2001, 08:49 AM
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Simon,
EVO did the car v bike thing and datalogged the corner speeds of all cars present, I believe the R500 Caterham was way faster than aanything on all corners - the closest Lotus was the 340R which was quicker than the Elise.
Now I know Johns Westie isn't an R500, but it's not that disimilar is it?..........
I'm gonna come up and do you all in the Lupo anyway
EVO did the car v bike thing and datalogged the corner speeds of all cars present, I believe the R500 Caterham was way faster than aanything on all corners - the closest Lotus was the 340R which was quicker than the Elise.
Now I know Johns Westie isn't an R500, but it's not that disimilar is it?..........
I'm gonna come up and do you all in the Lupo anyway
11 July 2001, 08:55 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dingy:
<B>An Exige should destroy all of us on the track......especially if they got 340bhp...
What have you done to get this power anyway David.[/quote]
Supercharged it mate.
I posted my torque curves in the Non-Scooby Related Forum last week.
<B>An Exige should destroy all of us on the track......especially if they got 340bhp...
What have you done to get this power anyway David.[/quote]
Supercharged it mate.
I posted my torque curves in the Non-Scooby Related Forum last week.
11 July 2001, 09:59 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by johnfelstead:
<B>within the g-g circle.[/quote]
Isn't that the posh name for the Horse Club? (Coat on, engine running)
Again, I can vouch for the smoothness of DB's driving. Nowhere near any ragged edge - it seemed effortless breezing past people, such as Blowdog, around donington.
Keep it up, I'm enjoying this thread
<B>within the g-g circle.[/quote]
Isn't that the posh name for the Horse Club?
(Coat on, engine running)Again, I can vouch for the smoothness of DB's driving. Nowhere near any ragged edge - it seemed effortless breezing past people, such as Blowdog, around donington.
Keep it up, I'm enjoying this thread
11 July 2001, 11:32 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DavidBrown:
<B>Look there are more subtle ways of blagging another ride
[/quote]
Ahh, but I needed a near relevant excuse to post my attempt at humour
<B>Look there are more subtle ways of blagging another ride
[/quote]Ahh, but I needed a near relevant excuse to post my attempt at humour
11 July 2001, 12:37 PM
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Simon, you disapoint me. One thing you should know by now is i dont kid myself. 
My tyres are much better than the yoko's that are standard on the exige. They produce higher lateral grip and are more progresive so are easier to exploit fully. They are not as good as a slick of the correct compound and construction however.
You of all people should know what i mean by that.
It's all subjective anyway, as you know most people cant get more than 90% of the traction circle maximum from their tyres, others can exploit a higher level and keep the tyre closer to its max available within the g-g circle.
It doesnt matter what downforce you have, the basic rules apply that you gain your speed from how close to the limit you can keep the tyre through its transitions when braking/cornering/accelerating. If you have downforce those limits are higher, the question is, are you skillfull enough to make use of that extra and can you react quickly enough and with enough sensitivity to exploit whats available.
that should explain what i meant. LOL
My tyres are much better than the yoko's that are standard on the exige. They produce higher lateral grip and are more progresive so are easier to exploit fully. They are not as good as a slick of the correct compound and construction however.
You of all people should know what i mean by that.
It's all subjective anyway, as you know most people cant get more than 90% of the traction circle maximum from their tyres, others can exploit a higher level and keep the tyre closer to its max available within the g-g circle.
It doesnt matter what downforce you have, the basic rules apply that you gain your speed from how close to the limit you can keep the tyre through its transitions when braking/cornering/accelerating. If you have downforce those limits are higher, the question is, are you skillfull enough to make use of that extra and can you react quickly enough and with enough sensitivity to exploit whats available.
that should explain what i meant.
LOL
11 July 2001, 12:53 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by johnfelstead:
<B>My tyres are much better than the yoko's that are standard on the exige[/quote]
How do you know this ? I'm not doubting your statement, but I didn't realise you were au fait with the super sticky A039's that were made specifically for the Exige and therefore in a position to comment.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>the question is, are you skillfull enough to make use of that extra and can you react quickly enough and with enough sensitivity to exploit whats available[/quote]
Or.. the question is.. can the car's capabilities be so great that you don't need to be that skillful (relatively) to achieve the same/better lap times than a lesser car that's on the ragged edge ? (and then get even faster as skills develop ..)
I don't deny that pretty much any fool can go round the track faster in my car than me
[This message has been edited by DavidBrown (edited 11 July 2001).]
<B>My tyres are much better than the yoko's that are standard on the exige[/quote]
How do you know this ? I'm not doubting your statement, but I didn't realise you were au fait with the super sticky A039's that were made specifically for the Exige and therefore in a position to comment.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>the question is, are you skillfull enough to make use of that extra and can you react quickly enough and with enough sensitivity to exploit whats available[/quote]
Or.. the question is.. can the car's capabilities be so great that you don't need to be that skillful (relatively) to achieve the same/better lap times than a lesser car that's on the ragged edge ? (and then get even faster as skills develop ..)
I don't deny that pretty much any fool can go round the track faster in my car than me
[This message has been edited by DavidBrown (edited 11 July 2001).]
11 July 2001, 01:34 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dingy:
<B>
Mine is 1050KG fully loaded.
Average Person is 80kg.
Fuel is dunno, say 10 gallons (my tank was full). (estimated 40kg)
So full Loaded i have 384</B> BHP per tonne.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You have 450hp dingy??
1050kg+80kg+40kg = 1170kg (1.17 tonnes) 384hp per tonne = 450 for a 1170kg car
<B>
Mine is 1050KG fully loaded.
Average Person is 80kg.
Fuel is dunno, say 10 gallons (my tank was full). (estimated 40kg)
So full Loaded i have 384</B> BHP per tonne.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You have 450hp dingy??
1050kg+80kg+40kg = 1170kg (1.17 tonnes) 384hp per tonne = 450 for a 1170kg car
11 July 2001, 01:54 PM
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Lotus - haha - Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious.
i had an elise for a while that was the worst car i'd ever owned - sure it was great at handling, as long as it was on a dry track, point it along a vaguely damp Derbyshire road and it nearly shat itself. Build quality dreadful, dealers live in the dark ages, brand name worth zilch - hence the business being up for sale recently AGAIN!
Good luck with the Exige - you'll need it.
Gordo
i had an elise for a while that was the worst car i'd ever owned - sure it was great at handling, as long as it was on a dry track, point it along a vaguely damp Derbyshire road and it nearly shat itself. Build quality dreadful, dealers live in the dark ages, brand name worth zilch - hence the business being up for sale recently AGAIN!
Good luck with the Exige - you'll need it.
Gordo
11 July 2001, 02:13 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Gordo:
<B>Lotus - haha - Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious.
{blah}
Good luck with the Exige - you'll need it.
[/quote]
It's a track day car, and as such I consider it a high maintenance vehicle regardless.
I've had the car on the wet handling circuit at MIRA with Don Palmer for a good 4 hours and had loved every minute.. I just had to drive it like a mid-engine, rear wheel car and not a front engined 4WD.. in fact Don said it was "a well sorted car".
The car's given me zero trouble, unlike my Scooby.
Who cares about brand name when it's ferociously capable on the track ?
<B>Lotus - haha - Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious.
{blah}
Good luck with the Exige - you'll need it.
[/quote]
It's a track day car, and as such I consider it a high maintenance vehicle regardless.
I've had the car on the wet handling circuit at MIRA with Don Palmer for a good 4 hours and had loved every minute.. I just had to drive it like a mid-engine, rear wheel car and not a front engined 4WD.. in fact Don said it was "a well sorted car".
The car's given me zero trouble, unlike my Scooby.
Who cares about brand name when it's ferociously capable on the track ?
11 July 2001, 03:25 PM
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Dingy when are you gonna learn.
Your car has a quick UNRELIABLE engine under its bonnet and thats it.
It handles like a sack of **** and you have no way of harnessing all that power.
Oh and it doesnt go round corners.
Come to think of it its only really safe on a rolling road where i`m sure the bull5hit power figures are fantastic.
Keep convincing yourself and your RS mates that it truly is a SUPERCAR.
OH and I think the Skyline will be showing its face again on track soon with ME driving with facked tyres soon and better brakes......I1ll show you then what a propper SUPERCAR go`s like............round bends aswell.
Your car has a quick UNRELIABLE engine under its bonnet and thats it.
It handles like a sack of **** and you have no way of harnessing all that power.
Oh and it doesnt go round corners.
Come to think of it its only really safe on a rolling road where i`m sure the bull5hit power figures are fantastic.
Keep convincing yourself and your RS mates that it truly is a SUPERCAR.
OH and I think the Skyline will be showing its face again on track soon with ME driving with facked tyres soon and better brakes......I1ll show you then what a propper SUPERCAR go`s like............round bends aswell.
11 July 2001, 03:34 PM
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**** all this cornering bull**** malarky. Question is...how much down force is required at 100mph to keep Jonny boys Syrup on in his esty
bring it on John...........
Lots of love (in a brotherly way
Steve
bring it on John...........
Lots of love (in a brotherly way
Steve
11 July 2001, 04:56 PM
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Gary. 1050 Fully Loaded, Me and the Fuel Mate.
Arron Bird you bore me.... same as yer car.
When you pass me on track i will change my mine, unless getting whooped like last time.
Mine is a MK II which cost 1/6 th of yours, yet its faster...
Brakes in 2 weeks so bends won't be an issue.
God your are a TW@T.
[This message has been edited by dingy (edited 11 July 2001).]
Arron Bird you bore me.... same as yer car.
When you pass me on track i will change my mine, unless getting whooped like last time.
Mine is a MK II which cost 1/6 th of yours, yet its faster...
Brakes in 2 weeks so bends won't be an issue.
God your are a TW@T.
[This message has been edited by dingy (edited 11 July 2001).]
11 July 2001, 04:57 PM
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The reason I dont come on here MUCH any more has an awfull lot to do with posts like this??
Whats it all about??
What does it ACTUALLY achieve??
In the old days when the average IQ and age was higher than 18 on here we used to have good informative posts...now look at it...utter tosh.
Whats it all about??
What does it ACTUALLY achieve??
In the old days when the average IQ and age was higher than 18 on here we used to have good informative posts...now look at it...utter tosh.
11 July 2001, 05:00 PM
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Erm.. the thing is Aaron.. I know you (vaguely) and I know you're a bit of a kidder.. but other people necessarily don't.
Now if I'd not known you, I'd have thought your posting to be really rude (the very thing you're accusing everyone else of)
I guess if we were all nice to other people, they'd be nice back
(I'll got and get my flower power outfit on)
PEACE !
Now if I'd not known you, I'd have thought your posting to be really rude (the very thing you're accusing everyone else of)
I guess if we were all nice to other people, they'd be nice back
(I'll got and get my flower power outfit on)
PEACE !
11 July 2001, 05:10 PM
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Dingy
when are u gonna re-sit your English GCSE (or is it next year that u'll fail your exams and leave school )
How many more times!!! The car is MINE not Arrons, and it was me that u passed at Donington not Arron! not rocket science really M8, see if it sinks in this time.
And befre u sart recounting your famous caught him thru craner..... bollox etc. remeber I dont care, cos I know I'm a **** driver. I am just loaded and have 5 cars and a motor bike to while away my lazy days living off the interest I earn
Yours sincerely
Lord Steve of Huntingdonshire
hehehe Reeel em in
when are u gonna re-sit your English GCSE (or is it next year that u'll fail your exams and leave school
)How many more times!!! The car is MINE not Arrons, and it was me that u passed at Donington not Arron! not rocket science really M8, see if it sinks in this time.
And befre u sart recounting your famous caught him thru craner..... bollox etc. remeber I dont care, cos I know I'm a **** driver. I am just loaded and have 5 cars and a motor bike to while away my lazy days living off the interest I earn
Yours sincerely
Lord Steve of Huntingdonshire
hehehe Reeel em in
11 July 2001, 05:19 PM
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David you do indeed know me but only a bit
The reason this stuff gets my goat up is that all this my car is better than yours is all dependent on the driver.
Lets face it there arnt many cars Mk2 Escorts included that will keep up with your hairdressers car now are there especially round a firkin track but he actually believes he has got it licked???
The reason this stuff gets my goat up is that all this my car is better than yours is all dependent on the driver.
Lets face it there arnt many cars Mk2 Escorts included that will keep up with your hairdressers car now are there especially round a firkin track but he actually believes he has got it licked???
11 July 2001, 05:25 PM
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Somebody please let me know when the next track day is on.
Donington or otherwise and we`ll see just how fast some of these cars really are.
Not racing I might add cos thats naughty innit.
We`ll use our on-board lap timer
Donington or otherwise and we`ll see just how fast some of these cars really are.
Not racing I might add cos thats naughty innit.
We`ll use our on-board lap timer
11 July 2001, 05:38 PM
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Arron,
I think the thing is, you are so far up your own backside you can't comprehend anyone elses information, because all you can see is your own ****. (and probably the tip of W9's tongue :eek
I wait in anticipation of your "well the Skyline is a race car for the road, blah blah blah blah"
With regards to the type of posting on here, now that you've found your dummy again I'm sure the quality and intelligence of posts will go thru the roof........
Unless you carry on talking to Steve W9 of course.....
Just like to point out that that is all in jest and I couldn't be 4rsed to use smileys
I think the thing is, you are so far up your own backside you can't comprehend anyone elses information, because all you can see is your own ****. (and probably the tip of W9's tongue :eek
I wait in anticipation of your "well the Skyline is a race car for the road, blah blah blah blah"
With regards to the type of posting on here, now that you've found your dummy again I'm sure the quality and intelligence of posts will go thru the roof........
Unless you carry on talking to Steve W9 of course.....
Just like to point out that that is all in jest and I couldn't be 4rsed to use smileys