still waiting to hear what a stock Scoob can do at Pod...

another point is that the STI type R appears to be having a problem with 97ron fuel, shame that, as the Supras retune themselves depending on the fuel so they dont have that problem.

and if we are talking about handling I suppose we should mention the fact that only 2 Supras on our list have met a sticky end, but the Scoobs just lost another one last night, and one the week before.

 

I don't know what a stock Scooby does the 1/4 mile in. I reckon about 14 secs wouldn't be far out, and I reckon it'd beat a Supra.
The only pedigree I've ever heard of for Supras, are the highly tuned 1/4 mile or promotional vehicles. Is there a multi-make event anywhere that Supras rule? I've never heard of one.
As I said, it may require greater skill to get the most out of a Supra, but that goes against the Supra being a better car than the Scoob. One of the main benefits of the Impreza is that it IS so easy to get into and drive fast and safe.
They are two different cars with two different objectives, but it is my opinion that in stock form or mildy-modded form (exhaust/filter), the Scoob would win almost any challenge laid down by the Supra, bar perhaps top speed.
Arguing about which is best is pointless, but if you can think of anything that a Supra does better than a Scoob, except perhaps long powerslides, I'd like to hear about it.

Stef.

 

did a search for toyota supra racing and one of the first sites I found was this

 

I've seen a totally stock '99 Impreza WRX run the quarter in 13.5 seconds. I don't know what a MKIV Supra would do it in.I think that from a rolling start the Supra would demolish an Impreza even in the 1/4 mile. I've run against a few in my Evo and have lost each time.

 

Ah, the age old debate... which is best?

As always, it depends on what you want. The Supra is a nice car, and probably very adept at eating motorway miles. Despite its weight it is surprisingly nimble and the steering is quick and precise. The engine is very smoothe; but then a straight six ought to be!
Unfortunately it has no boot (well, OK, there IS some area there, but you'de be hard pushed to fit an A4 notepad in there :-). The rear seats might as well not be there for all the good they're going to do (like *NO* legroom in the back). The RZ definitely *feels* slower than the STi, but that could be down to a more progressive shove.

The Scoob is, IMHO, the best compromise. It can accomodate four adults, has enough boot space for a few suitcases and best of all, is probably the fastest point to point car you can buy for sensible money [along with the EVO I suppose]. It doesn't have a great top end. It doesn't pull that well over 100MPH (but then you can't go that fast legally on the roads anyway).

The 200SX.... nice car, shame about the handling. Probably perfect as a motorway cruiser, but under power has a tendency to fish-tail :-( Nowhere near as fast as a Scoob in standard trim, but then at least you get a decent interior :-)

The MR2 Turbo is great in a straight line, but it takes commitment when cornering fast. If someone pulls out in front of you, you're pretty much stuffed. Most 4WD cars are somewhat more forgiving. But of the lot I'de say it has the best looks (MkII, second revision) but the boot is a bit of a joke and there's no chance of getting in more than 2 bods.

In the end it all boils down to what you want to do... no car is perfect; each has strenghts and weaknesses.... you just have to match them to your requirements :-) 

Cheers,

Pat.

 

This slagging off each others personal views is rather like being back at school!!!!!!!. Take a step back and listen to yourselves,come on guys lighten up.

1:Pure power aside,(which for straight line drags usually determines the victor)the determining factor in races won or lost has to be how good or stupid the driver is,only if you have two drivers of equal ability will you find out how two totally different cars compete.

2:Horses for Courses!-different cars built for different purposes,yes the scoob is a great allrounder excelling in the handling dept but not too bad in a straight line either,and if it's wet then even better.
The supra lots of potential power quick in a straight line but equally quick round the twisties in the right hands,a handfull in the wet.

Both of these cars are devastating in the right hands.

Ok you've passed a supra/scoob on the twisties/dual carriageway it doesn't mean that he was initially trying to beat you anyway,he might just value his licence more than you.

The point is whether you have a Ferrari,McLaren,supra,scoob,peugoet,renault,mini,o r whatever stop this car snobbery they all have different purposes,enjoy them for what they do and respect each others abilities.

Anyway i'm sure we can find something less destructive to discuss?

 

Stefan, you seem to disbelieve the fact tha the supra is a much better car than u think, In the japan GT racing series the supra regularly beat the skylines, and u are talking about you scooby??...man a scooby is not even as good as the skylike which has an awesome 4wd system far superior. You say that
that your sti stock does 14 sec 1/4, I bet u a stock supra can do the same, or better, infact a stock supra has been tested between 13.4-13.9

U say that u can whip a supra on a track? ok organise a track day, and i`m sure we`ll show u how its done!

 

yunus if we are on the subject of car stereotypes (your post about scoobys being REP cars)does the words medalion man mean anything to you!!!:-)

 

All this argument! Yunus a Uk impreza would beat a Supra at sprinting. No need to go overboard and embarrass it with an STi. Perhaps we could do Impreza V Supra at Santa Pod. I did try hard last time to race a Supra but you only seemed to like playing with yourselves I will take on all Supra challenges in February! Any of you man enough to step up to the plate?

 

bajie, I`m glad tha u are man enough to admit a defeat to a supra, i`m sure many scooby owners have had this unpleasant experience, but dont want to admit to it, after all it is a scooby bbs.

The skyline is does take some feel from the driver, but on the limit the old R32 is just awesome! so very well balanced, and you can even get onto a controlled power oversteer.

 

Maybe those Supras aren't so fast. I just reeled one in tonight on my way home and he was going for it. Feeling pretty good right now

Please note that this particular post is just a bit of fun and I know it does not prove any way that a Scooby (or an Evo actually) is faster than a Supra.

 

This thread is dragging on a bit....but anyway.

A friend has a 97 SupraTT
My car is 98 WRX STi4
Both have aftermarket exhaust & cat removed

From standing start, the scoob has advantage (read: traction).

Once up to cruising speed, there's sod all in it. Up to the 180km/h limiter on both cars. I suspect a UK spec Impreza turbo (not Sti) might not keep up.

Round the corners, I'd prefer to be in the scoob.

Supra wins in the looks dept, but leave it at home in the wet.

Andy

 

I accept your challenge mr leigh, let the weather get a little better( I dont want a frosted drag strip!) and well see what does what!

 

24th December I went past two Supra's, one BMW M5, an STi and an Evo VI.
Next time I'm in the NCP Car Park I'll do it again!
I guess I'm the only guy here to have lost to a MkIV Supra so if it goes off at the pod I'm coming.
And a Skyline is not more rewarding than an Impreza.
It is neither rear wheel drive or all wheel drive. It is I WILL DRIVE.
The driver is too detatched to enjoy the experience. Honest!

 

Yunus.

I'm afraid your butt's going to get kicked if you come to the pod in a stock Supra...period.
There's no point going on about how Supras beat Skylines and whatever else in Japanese racing, 'cos we don't drive Skylines!!!!!
My UK car does the 1/4 in 13.5 so an STi would probably be nearer 13 secs.
No way in a million years would a stock Supra touch it, and that's that!
Feel free to come and have a go if you're still confident.
Once again, this is only jovial banter, so nobody please reply with any serious pants!:0
A Supra may be quicker from a rolling start, but I don't think that's allowed on a drag-strip!!!

Stef.

 

Well said Stef But I have decided its not fair on these Supra boys. So at the weekend I am going to get a secret mod done. It will allow me to tow a caravan down the strip. HA HA HA HA

 

Stefan, I have great pleasure in meeting you on the drag strip in the coming months, just to show u that the supra can post decent 1/4 times.I know at the moment you think its only good for a 14-15 second run, you`ll be suprised to see decent 13 sec runs.

what ever secret mods u can come up with, I can do just the same..so let it rip!

 

Aaaah!
The Supra was rolling when it beat me!
I haven't given it large at the pod but if I think I'll go and give it a try.
Or maybe I'll get scared and watch!
What prizes for a 20sec 1/4 mile?
And are there any WRXs going. I'd like to do a 1/4 next to one of those to dispel a ghost!

 

Just to settle it now......

....on Gran Turismo 2, I can do the 1/4 in an STi in about 13.5 secs, but can't get a stock Supra below 14.7secs.

Sorted then!

Stef.

 

Hi guys,

Just a few points

why do people who dont drive or own imprezas come to this bb,surely they are just sad wannabe impreza owners-get a grip boys.i think i'll start posting to the crapri owners bb


the guy who wants to race his mates 200sx dont bother if it's boosted up,it'll blow you away no problems,i swapped a 220 bhp 200sx for a brand new scoob and the 200sx is by far a quicker car especially in the midrange and it doesn't run out of steam up the range like the scoob.

imprezas aren't the best car around like alot of people think,sure if your 22 and been you've been driving a 1.1 pop then you'll probably be blown away by it but there are several machines out there to match it at alot less money.

as for supras check out the 'take note!thread and remember accidents do happen,this guy and family were lucky

be quick and carefull.

 

well said paul, Imprezzas arnt the best cars around, and yes they can be blown away by a 200sx and the scoob runs out of steam!

Stef, and now you`re turning to a game for proof??, even if the supra beats the scoob you will not admit defeat. I think I shall go and try the sti v supra test on GT2 righ away!!

PS, u probably tried the N/A supra v the sti!;-)

 

point taken, I shall remain quite!

 

PaulW

Thanks for those friendly comments.

I don't own an Impreza. I am, however, considering one as a company car. What I wanted to know was whether people like them as much after a few weeks/months/years as they did when they first got one. Whether the car is reliable/rattles in a really annoying manner. If the dealers are great, or completely crap. Whether you can live with one as a family car. You know, all the stuff you DON'T get on a test drive.

Or maybe I'm just a sad wannabe?

 

The Impreza IS the best car around. IMHO. Simply because it's fast, safe, predictable, RELIABLE, practical, great drivers club, great delaers/specialists and blends in quite well with all the other cars on the street. It's on it's own there I think..

Gethin.

 

God this is dragging on. This is a Subaru bulletin board so obviously the people on it are going to be biased. Going on and on about how a Lada Samara is a good car blah blah blah is never going to get you anywhere.

Supra's are obviously good cars but aren't designed with the same requirements in mind as an Impreza. Yunus you really need to appreciate that most of the people are winding you up here. It's pretty plain that over distance (in a straight line) you'd have the edge because you've got a 3 litre engine so more torque and 6 gears (you have got a manual haven't you?) but not if its a short distance or if there's loads of corners. That's what Imprezas are all about - handling and acceleration; kinda what you need in a rally car really...

 

Sorry, I'm not letting you off that lightly - do you have the man's 6 speed box or the big pansie's auto?

Although I have been told that auto's are actually quicker in the 1/4 mile times - any ideas?

 

The auto Mk IV Supra IS quick.
Though in standard guise the dump valve sounds more like a hamster farting!

 

Yunus, please dont shut up I think it is good that people who own vehicles other than the Impreza post. When you run out of tech related questions its this fun banter that keeps you coming back. Oh and a 200sx, dont make me laugh

 

Bajie,

Another comment like that and I'll go round your house and give your wife something to hang her towels on!

You're right though and that's what hurts!
Fitting a SQV to a stock Supra is a very silly thing to do as they only run 11psi. Oh the joys of hindsight....

Oh and as for the rolling start I'm not having that! I had your mate in the car and he's NO lightweight. You also failed to mention the cement in the boot and the Juggernaut I was towing at the time...

I'm off now to do some realistic testing of quarter mile times on Gran Turismo 2


Nick

 

Sorry bruv, couldn't resist.