bug-eyed wonder

Why does it matter how many times the **** was stabbed?
The burglar took the decision to invade this family's home,the house owner had this situation forced upon him. IIRC I saw a program in the past were a person who was in the process of commiting a crime was no longer entitled to the same rights as the rest of us, ie in this situation no charges would have been brought.

I seriously cannot believe that anyone can possibly consider the houseowner in the wrong. How many of you have been a victim of a violent crime? I found it hard enough to deal with a carjacking but TBH I'd loose it completely if anyone ever invaded my home! [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

One less burglar,fewer families will suffer the humiliation of his actions,let the ****** rot in hell!

King RA

Percentage wise burglaries are much less common in the states. This is because many people own a gun and you seriously run the risk of being killed. I also believe in the states if you shoot a burglar in your own house it's a shut case and you'll get off in most circumstances.

Maddriver

IMHO his real mistake was picking up the knife. If he'd picked up, say a rolling pin or simular heavyish item, he'd have been able to disable the guy without nessecarily killing him. The scumbag would have been able to stand trial and be judged by the procedures set out in the law of the land.

The fact the the guy was facing away from him probably worked against him - killing a guy is fair enough if you have reason to belive your life is in danger, but the guy isn't even facing towards you. How the heck do you know if the guy is actually holdingh a weapons or if he's likely to respond to reason rather than face an angry, armed home-owner whose just found him in his wifes bedroom.

ktm1974

It should be made law that if someone is robbing your house etc, then they are fair game, u can do what u like. It may make the scum sucking c**ts think twice. The moment they enter someone’s property with the intention of stealing they give up all human rights and do not deserve any sympathy.

This country is going down the pan because of all the do-gooders and p/c crap and the legal system that protects the criminals

Si James

He should have stabbed him twelve times in the chest.
That way he could have watched him die and enjoy.

Good on him, he deserves a medal not a prison sentance.


Si

Pavlo

In the US, advice for any victims of burglery is to make sure the intruder in your house when you shoot him.

Or at least when the police find the body.....

"honest guvnor, he came back in for more, so I shot him again"

Question is, does my right to protect life, outway someones right to live?

Paul

imatrukahs

Some of the views on here frighten me..they really do...god damn 12 times...

puppypower

Yeah come on guys, there's self defence and outright murder.

Estranged wife!!!!!!!!!! me thinks he may have thought the guy was her new lover.

Burglar or not, twelve times, I can see how you get carried away and red mist etc but still!

Still, I can see he was justified if it was is own house and he lived there, I mean what was he doing there in the first place.

Still in my opinion that's two people I don't have to worry about off the face of the earth.

PP

ian/555

Paul, the scars have healed long since thanks, as it happened 16 years ago. It was the longest walk of my life to the Hospital and luckily the stab wound was not deep.
So having been stabbed, even now in the kitchen at home when my wife picks up a big knife to cut something I back off as the memory of the shock of seeing my blood drain out of me is still there and has made me very cautious around someone carrying a knife of any kind, as accidents can and do happen.

If I was confronted by an intruder carrying a knife in my home I am not sure that I would be able to just stop after one blow. As I know that once may not be enough to stop them and when you are filled with adrenalin and that fight or flight instinct kicks in and you have no choice but to stay and fight to protect your family then I would do everything to make sure that nothing happened to them, even if that meant stabbing someone 12 times. Harsh that may be but by breaking into another persons home you should realise that you are entering into the unknown and as such should even expect the ultimate price to be paid.
imatrukahs why do the views scare you? Is it because you are in the habit of doing break ins?
Estranged wife or not, they are still his kids. He obviously found that the house had been broken into and finds a guy with what he thought was a Machete roaming about, not knowing if there was more intruders or not or if they are still alive he takes him out before the whole family is wiped out.


ian

Beastie

iTrader: (2)

Instead of a knife he should have hit him with a bicycle then it would definitely have been the burglars fault that he was killed.

Tracey

Wurzel,

Yes stabbing 12 times maybe was a bit excessive, but that man thought his family was in the house being threatened and I can imagine his adrenalin taking over to protect them though. You do anything to protect your own, and don't think about the consequences.

Cheers.

Tracey

MarkO

Out of interest, what would people think if their own son had 'gone off the rails' and had broken into somebody's house to nick a telly or whatever - getting stabbed 12 times and killed in the process?

I'm not advocating theft or criminality at all, but people do stupid things (I've certainly done a few in the past) for which getting stabbed 12 times and dying is not necessarily 'fair'.

Pavlo

life isn't fair, so I don't suppose death is much different.

Paul

Jolly Green Monster 2

I'd feel gutted at losing my son, and think that he was bl00dy stupid for doing a burgulry and think that getting stabbed 12times was excessive force and that the guy should not get off scott free.

Which was my view already..

JGM

puppypower

Are you guys missing the point or is it just me?

The person that did the stabbing, what was he doing at his ex's house, at night?

He wasn't there to see his kids, " He thought they were in bed"

He's split with his Mrs, he doesn't live there.

Alright I agree that any person caught in another persons property should be slotted, but it wasn't his current residence.

Protecting his family? More like protecting his pride!

PP

puppypower

Sorry just read article again and it doesn't mention night or beds, before I get slated.

But you get my point

PP

Jolly Green Monster 2

I am not saying he was not protecting his family but some of it does sound very much like it could easily be made up afterwards when he had recovered from his red misted rage...

Heard voices, thought the crowbar was a machete, thought the kids were being held in the bedroom etc..

who knows... but still feel that 12times is excessive..

JGM

imatrukahs

LOL

"Imatrukahs why are you frightened,obviously you do a lot of break-ins"

Jesus Christ...i aint no tea leaf!..It frightens me because some are saying stabbing someone 12 times is totally ok!!I fear for the sanity of these people..as in my view they are all potential time bombs waiting to go off....i take it if you mean what you say and it aint internet talk....that if you got into a fight say in a pub that you would quite happily beat the person to a pulp even though the bloke is bleedin on the ground unable to defend himself.....Thank the lord that my training says disable the attacker then run away as first as you can!...I think alot would benefit from the discipline taught in martial arts!!!!

Jolly Green Monster 2

Oh no...

either imatrukahs has mellowed or some strange transformation has gone on because I agree with you mate.

JGM :scary:

imatrukahs

JGM.......I think we should both keep this very quiet...

Jolly Green Monster 2

I won't tell anyone if you don't

JGM

TAZMAN

t is easy to judge, and in th cold light of day 12 times seems excessive..however the problem with the modern justice system is that it does not put the event into context...

what if the guy had been 5'4 and the burglar 6'6, wht if the burglar was high on angel dust and did not go down after the first 4 stabs...what if the guy was in you childs bredroom...

is is always easy to judge after the event but in the heat of the moment who knows what excatly happened. The law is an ****...
If you are on my property uninvited and for no legal reason, easpecially in the middle of the night why should he have the defense of the law...he is clearly breaking the law and has an intention to steal, wound or who knows what else....
The problem is that the rights go to the criminal not the victim...

Soap box mode off

ian/555

As found in your post above
"Imatrukahs why are you frightened,obviously you do a lot of break-ins"

imatrukahs is that the best you can do? LOL
Misquoting me to try and incite an argument. YAWN!

I will even put a link to the page so you can actually see what I posted http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/threa...=130386&Page=2

As for you feebly trying to twist what I have posted to suit your own argument about a fictitious pub fight. YAWN again LOL

Let me guess you are a master of Origami LOL
I shall not bother replying to anymore misquoted and twisted drivel that you come out with.

ian

Shark

I haven't read the whole thread, but as far as I'm concerned thats one less thieving scum b@stard out the way for good.

David

imatrukahs

imatrukahs why do the views scare you? Is it because you are in the habit of doing break ins?

That to me looked like you were accusing me off being a tea leaf!

Apologies if you wernt..but to be fair most comments about me are hostile..

I dont know you and had no intensions of starting a row with you!!!

Yes i am a brown belt at oregami....the thinkg i can do with paper are nothing short of amazing..if i do say so myself...

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

You are all questioning why the ex husband was there in the house but none of you have mentioned the fact that he went round to see his family and found the door was busted open and he saw a bloke in the upstairs bedroom window, so he went in and got a knife from the kitchen and confronted the burgelar(sp). I agree well done to him as there is now one less known scumbag in the country that won't be getting a slapped wrist and a diving holiday in Mauricias. courtesy of your taxes !!!!!!

Fatman

I'm sorry, but if you break into someone's house, and conciously break the law then you forfeit your right to be protected by that same law. I can't say the robber deserved to die, but I regard his behaviour as 'outlaw' at the time. A man has the right to protect his home and his family.

There are side-line implications to that statement. i.e. we all pick and choose the laws we choose to obey (e.g. motorway speed limits). However - I think you'll agree it's not quite the same thing.

Huxley

I say stab the barstards,as the ******* as don't know any better you should have the right to protect yourself, property and family buy what ever means you should chose in your own home if the ******* want to take the risk by doing what they do then so be it they’ve chosen to break in.

The law is a load of boll***s when it come to the victims rights
as you don’t have any the thieving feckwits have more rights than you have if you give a good smacking then they can sue your *** so where the justice in that they have broke into you home and it's your fault boll***s the judges should have their nuts tied to the ceiling then leave them to dangle for a few days second thoughts they would like all that!! i recon that all the feckwits should break into the judges houses then lets see what happens to them it would be a different matter then, not in normal situations when Joe feckwit is told not to do it again as you’ve had a bad upbringing and let off for the 10th time.

And I don’t want to here all the **** from the do gooder people that you shouldn't do this you shouldn't do that bla bla bla, BOG off and get a life because I don’t give a stuff all i wont to do is protect whatever i have by whatever means available.

Huxley

scrappydoo

At the end of the day guys its all about Fight or Flight, like someone has already mentioned. Unless you have already been in that situation dont comment on it. I have a few times, only once i was faced with 5 men with their getaway car in my drive, they were attempting a breakin and my mother was still up. I few weeks prior i had death threats off some jealous srcots so i was on guard bigtime. I feared for my parents saftey and went for all 5 round the back with a baseball bat. Actually it was 4 cos one was in the car waiting. Lets just say no one had the chance to get in that car.They fled in all directions very very quickly. :-) I then proceeded to smash the back end on the car in before the driver managed to start it and drive off. But i can tell you that if i had managed to catch one of those scum i would have put that bat through his head at that time. All im trying to say is that when that adrenaline is pumping, strange things happen in the body. You hear of stories of time slowing down, time speeding up, red mist, and people gaining in strength. Therefore i can honestly believe that someone can stab another given the right circumstances 12 times. We are all capable of murder or manslaughter quite easily given the right timing and situation.

puppypower

Respect to scrappy

Lot of brave people on hear, I would like to see what they do in a real life situation. You would think that instinct takes over and the Mel Gibson in you comes out, this aint always the case. I served in Africa in the Army 8 years ago and when the **** is hitting the fan it's amazing how many "Hard" blokes curl up, and sack it.

On the other hand you find that the weakest ( Size/strenth )guys are the most willing to have a go, they don't have a hang up about their size so just go for it.

I'm 6'2" 14 stone but if someone breaks into my house I will let my GSD dog do the talking first and then take it from there.

I still think the guys defence was an afterthought!

pp