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That doesnt help me! I just don't understand this townie thing, I don't regard myself as a townie.
But does living in a village make you more aware of countryside issue more than living in a town?
As far as fox's being cue and cuddly, no I don't think that. My 2 cats now live with my parents and they have a large population of foxes in and around their property. I have seen cat vs fox in the garden and neither are cute and cuddly
more like viscious little b@astards when showing their true colours but I simply don't agree with killing any animal in the name of fun and making it suffer. I don't agree with stag hunting either and thats not orange soft and cuddly as someone put it!
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That doesnt help me! I just don't understand this townie thing, I don't regard myself as a townie.
But does living in a village make you more aware of countryside issue more than living in a town?
As far as fox's being cue and cuddly, no I don't think that. My 2 cats now live with my parents and they have a large population of foxes in and around their property. I have seen cat vs fox in the garden and neither are cute and cuddly
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Interesting view, Marko. But I put it to you that you KNOW whenever you get behind the wheel of your car that you WILL kill insects on your windscreen, yet you still do it. Just as culpable, IMHO. You don't need a gun (or a fox) to kill.
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Funny how some of those who have a full understanding and experience of country life appear not to live in the same democratic society as the rest of the population...
This, of course, qualifies them to be masters of their own destiny regardless of public needs and wants.
You are custodians of the land for the future, nothing more nothing less. Don't **** it all up for the next generations.
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This, of course, qualifies them to be masters of their own destiny regardless of public needs and wants.
You are custodians of the land for the future, nothing more nothing less. Don't **** it all up for the next generations.
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No fox hunting, no foxes. They'll just be exterminated with cheaper more efficient means, ie just be gassed. Take yer pick, I know I'd prefer to have foxes in the enviroment.
Going back a few pages, there was mention of the overwhelming support for the ban in Scotland. This overwhelming support wasn't particularly obvious.
Going back a few pages, there was mention of the overwhelming support for the ban in Scotland. This overwhelming support wasn't particularly obvious.
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Interesting view, Marko. But I put it to you that you KNOW whenever you get behind the wheel of your car that you WILL kill insects on your windscreen, yet you still do it. Just as culpable, IMHO. You don't need a gun (or a fox) to kill.
For a start, you imply that I'm against killing foxes which, per se, I'm not. I've only discussed hunting with dogs - and I've openly advocated the population control of foxes using other more humane (and efficient) methods.
But to claim that by driving my car I'm intentially killing anything is just plain daft, and is simply an attempt to get away from the truth. By the same argument, if I drive down a town high street then I'm a murderer, as I intended to drive there, and I could kill somebody if they stepped out in front of me. Which, clearly, is absolute rubbish.
If that's the best and most coherent argument you can make, I suggest you leave the discussion, 'cos you aint doing either side any good by making such dumb and ill-considered statements.
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Good point B2z,
There are around 8 urban foxes around where I live. Annoy the dog something terrible when we are out walking. See them most nights.
Would happily see them exterminated by humane means, but certainly not by a hunt riding down my street.
So I guess I probably have more experience of foxes than a few pro hunt that have posted on this thread..LOL...
Miles, there was overwhelming parliamentry support in favour of the ban, based on the opinions of the electorate canvassed by those politicians, petitions signed and presented to the committees, support from all the animal support organisations, etc, etc...need I go on?
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There are around 8 urban foxes around where I live. Annoy the dog something terrible when we are out walking. See them most nights.
Would happily see them exterminated by humane means, but certainly not by a hunt riding down my street.
So I guess I probably have more experience of foxes than a few pro hunt that have posted on this thread..LOL...
Miles, there was overwhelming parliamentry support in favour of the ban, based on the opinions of the electorate canvassed by those politicians, petitions signed and presented to the committees, support from all the animal support organisations, etc, etc...need I go on?
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Going back a few pages, there was mention of the overwhelming support for the ban in Scotland. This overwhelming support wasn't particularly obvious.
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Miles, Gasing is not always an easy way to destroy foxes, other factors come into play. My prefered way is to sit in a landrover with a 1m candlepower light, and a .243, trust me that's humane.
Problem is if there was no foxing hunt, the farmers arn't going to bother buying the proper equipment, they will just blast them with whatever they have laying around the farm! That would then see injured foxes running about in agony![Frown](images/smilies/frown.gif)
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Problem is if there was no foxing hunt, the farmers arn't going to bother buying the proper equipment, they will just blast them with whatever they have laying around the farm! That would then see injured foxes running about in agony
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Silly argument. Bills for tax increases get passed by Parliament too, and I don't see much overwhelming support for them.
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Mind you, I'm assuming that democracy works as it should, which is a fatal mistake.
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What will **** it up is the clueless idiots who, for instance, jump on the "cruelty" bandwagon and want us all to live in some overly-sanitised police state.
I just want to live somewhere where it is not deemed acceptable to rip an animal to pieces in the name of "sport".
Oh, hell, since 1 August 2002 I do
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But that doesn't stop me being sickened by the actions of those who hunt with dogs and try and justify it.
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I can only presume that all those so vehmently against death of animals for fun are also vehmently opposed to the continued existence of the domestic cat ?
if not - why not ?
if not - why not ?
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FFS have you read any of the previous 8 pages or are you just dim?
The issue is about the method of killing, not the fact we don't want them killed. CRUELTY IS THE ISSUE PHIL! If a farmer shoots a fox because it has just killed one of his lambs then I wouldn't even batter an eyelid.
The issue is about the method of killing, not the fact we don't want them killed. CRUELTY IS THE ISSUE PHIL! If a farmer shoots a fox because it has just killed one of his lambs then I wouldn't even batter an eyelid.
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Foxes are vermin.
Hunting is an effective way to control the fox population.
Where's the issue?
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The hunt do ignore pivate property and people refusing them access.
When I lived in Scotland a hunt was carried out accross a friend of the families land. He had told them several times that they couldn't come on to the land as the had previously destroyed three dry stone walls and upset and injured the beasts (bullocks) he had.
With Scotland having no trespass laws he couldn't get help from the local Police.
A pump action shotgun with rock salt cartridges apparently is all you need to stop people smashing walls up and scaring livestock!
Just a note he never fired at anyone, he fired to rounds in the air. Horses can stop quite quickly!
I have lived and worked in the countryside. I have yet to see how the hunt actually helps control the number of foxes in this country.
They can go out all day and not kill the fox (horses get iunjured, other animals can get trampled), yet two guys with shotguns can come home with a load of rabbits!
There are far more efficient and humane ways to control numbers, if have to.
The countryside does need to be protected but to say that banning fox hunting will destroy that have of life is bunk. The same argument could be used for bringing back strip farming and mna powered plays.
After all the modern mass farming is destroying hedgerows and habitats of many creatures, surely that is the countryside we should be protecting?
Also I am curious the people sticking up all the Green Unions on the road signs, are they going to be prosecuted for that?
When I lived in Scotland a hunt was carried out accross a friend of the families land. He had told them several times that they couldn't come on to the land as the had previously destroyed three dry stone walls and upset and injured the beasts (bullocks) he had.
With Scotland having no trespass laws he couldn't get help from the local Police.
A pump action shotgun with rock salt cartridges apparently is all you need to stop people smashing walls up and scaring livestock!
Just a note he never fired at anyone, he fired to rounds in the air. Horses can stop quite quickly!
I have lived and worked in the countryside. I have yet to see how the hunt actually helps control the number of foxes in this country.
They can go out all day and not kill the fox (horses get iunjured, other animals can get trampled), yet two guys with shotguns can come home with a load of rabbits!
There are far more efficient and humane ways to control numbers, if have to.
The countryside does need to be protected but to say that banning fox hunting will destroy that have of life is bunk. The same argument could be used for bringing back strip farming and mna powered plays.
After all the modern mass farming is destroying hedgerows and habitats of many creatures, surely that is the countryside we should be protecting?
Also I am curious the people sticking up all the Green Unions on the road signs, are they going to be prosecuted for that?
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Deano,
We (humans) are supposed to be civilised. We have a conscious choice.
Domestic cats are not and do not. Its in their genetic makeup.
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We (humans) are supposed to be civilised. We have a conscious choice.
Domestic cats are not and do not. Its in their genetic makeup.
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I'm assuming you happily eat meat. I can assure that the process by which the cow gets from the field to your table generally causes that animal great suffering and stress as well. Why is that not viewed by you in the same light? How about poisoning rats? Do they have a pleasant death?
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vehmently opposed to the continued existence of the domestic cat ? if not - why not ?
The fact is that a cat, a fox or any other non-human mammal does not have a conscience. True, cats play with their prey, but it's training for hunting which they would do if they lived in the wild. Foxes kill too, but that's no justification for us killing them cruelly.
We're supposed to know better, due to a few million years of evolution, a well-developed society and a whole host of other stuff which is unique to humans.
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I'm assuming you happily eat meat. I can assure that the process by which the cow gets from the field to your table generally causes that animal great suffering and stress as well. Why is that not viewed by you in the same light? How about poisoning rats? Do they have a pleasant death?
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Hang on perhaps we havent evolved? We must still be going and getting our women and dragging them back to the cave by their hair!
That was once acceptable! Is it now?![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
Still can't believe people are saying its always happened thereforeit should continue to happen. Society changes and life has to change with it.
That was once acceptable! Is it now?
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Still can't believe people are saying its always happened thereforeit should continue to happen. Society changes and life has to change with it.
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Miles ffs!
I just answered Bravo2Zero's question!
After all, its not like the side of the argument I support has not been made clear over the past 9 pages![Stick Out Tongue](images/smilies/tongue.gif)
Not a personal attack, just a frustrated observation. No need to get all [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] about it![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif)
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I just answered Bravo2Zero's question!
After all, its not like the side of the argument I support has not been made clear over the past 9 pages
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Not a personal attack, just a frustrated observation. No need to get all [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] about it
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We must still be going and getting our women and dragging them back to the cave by their hair! That was once acceptable! Is it now?
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