RB5 or Escort Cossie
13 August 2001 | 10:43 PM
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Gordon,know the car you mean, imho,not worth the money just to change from one scoob to another. with that one you are paying 5k more than a standard "t" plate for nice paint and tacky stickers.
dont buy a modded cossie with millions of horses,buy as standard as possible for £13/14 k,check motoring news out they always have some.
id go along with the majority,get a good standard my00 and do the 17" ppp and still have change from £20k
regards
Dave
dont buy a modded cossie with millions of horses,buy as standard as possible for £13/14 k,check motoring news out they always have some.
id go along with the majority,get a good standard my00 and do the 17" ppp and still have change from £20k
regards
Dave
14 August 2001 | 01:32 AM
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Gordon
Have you had a chance of getting a good drive in both of these cars? I have not driven a WR version of the RB5, but have driven the Escort Cossie and a standard RB5 extensively. IMHO, they are very different cars.
The Escort is an old design, but takes very well to tuning. Once tuned, whilst they tend to be fairly rough in terms of NVH, they are much quicker than a standard Scooby. If tuned properly, they can stand 350 + BHP and remain reliable. They tend to handle more like a rear wheel drive car, with a tendancy towards oversteer when provoked. However, they are relatively easy to control.
The Scooby would be my choice - a more modern design that is less harsh, although I'm not keen on the amount of understeer. Having said that, changing the suspension to "prodrive settings" and the bumpsteer mod are supposed to help it.
What do I have - an MY01, so I guess that I cannot comment on style.
Duncan
Have you had a chance of getting a good drive in both of these cars? I have not driven a WR version of the RB5, but have driven the Escort Cossie and a standard RB5 extensively. IMHO, they are very different cars.
The Escort is an old design, but takes very well to tuning. Once tuned, whilst they tend to be fairly rough in terms of NVH, they are much quicker than a standard Scooby. If tuned properly, they can stand 350 + BHP and remain reliable. They tend to handle more like a rear wheel drive car, with a tendancy towards oversteer when provoked. However, they are relatively easy to control.
The Scooby would be my choice - a more modern design that is less harsh, although I'm not keen on the amount of understeer. Having said that, changing the suspension to "prodrive settings" and the bumpsteer mod are supposed to help it.
What do I have - an MY01, so I guess that I cannot comment on style.
Duncan
14 August 2001 | 07:46 AM
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Shaun
You're the man I want to speak to!
What I want to know is, "Why did you sell the Cossie to get a WRX and then back to a Cossie?"
Also what differences/advantages/disadvantages of owning such a car. I've heard horror stories about trying to maintain a Cossie (I've had a Sapphire and it costed me Millions!
) Is there much difference between a Escort and a Sapphire Cossie (4x4)?
Look forward to your answers!
Gordon
You're the man I want to speak to!
What I want to know is, "Why did you sell the Cossie to get a WRX and then back to a Cossie?"
Also what differences/advantages/disadvantages of owning such a car. I've heard horror stories about trying to maintain a Cossie (I've had a Sapphire and it costed me Millions!
) Is there much difference between a Escort and a Sapphire Cossie (4x4)?Look forward to your answers!
Gordon
14 August 2001 | 11:37 AM
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A bit off the subject but if you were to change you current terzo how much would you be wanting for it. I'm looking to get a scoob in the next month. Thanks
PS I'd go for an EVO. Dont Mitsubishi offer full dealer backup now or is that just on the latest Evo's
PS I'd go for an EVO. Dont Mitsubishi offer full dealer backup now or is that just on the latest Evo's
14 August 2001 | 12:56 PM
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Gordon,
You need a sense of humour when running these cars else you'd cry every time you got your wallet out
It depends what you want to do with your car at the end of the day i.e: just use it, modify it etc.
Jim.
You need a sense of humour when running these cars else you'd cry every time you got your wallet out
It depends what you want to do with your car at the end of the day i.e: just use it, modify it etc.
Jim.
14 August 2001 | 02:25 PM
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Sti wanna Subaru
You have mail.
Dragon
I'm not sure what I'm really after. A change I suppose. Just something different. What really annoys me is that every second car on the road is a Subaru - How many Escort Cosworths have you seen lately?
Duncan
I'm off to see the Subaru dealer later on and hopefully, I'll get a test drive then. But I'll need to travel into another country (England) to test drive the Escort Cossie - think I'll need a passport?
You have mail.
Dragon
I'm not sure what I'm really after. A change I suppose. Just something different. What really annoys me is that every second car on the road is a Subaru - How many Escort Cosworths have you seen lately?
Duncan
I'm off to see the Subaru dealer later on and hopefully, I'll get a test drive then.
But I'll need to travel into another country (England) to test drive the Escort Cossie - think I'll need a passport?
14 August 2001 | 02:59 PM
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Hi Gordon
I own both an 1997 Impreza Turbo (Catalunya) and a 1991 Sapphire Cossie 4x4.
I've had my cossie 4 years and it has cost me an arm and leg to run it because they are not know for reliablity (is any Ford car ??).
The impreza and cossie are two different cars completely and both have there good and bad points. But when my Cossie runs right it is a fantastic car. It's beats my impreza for top end grunt and pulls like a train.
I love my impreza because it's more reliable and I don't have to buy some new part every week like I do on my cossie !!
Anyway I like both cars !!
I don't think there is much difference between the Escort Cossie and Sapphire 4x4 cossie engine apart from different turbos and ECU's. The Sapphire cossie comes in Red top or Green top depending if it's fitted with a Cat converter. The Escort has a quicker 0-60 time and a slower top speed.
The Escort is a nicer looking a more modern car overall than the Sapphire.
hope this helps
Gary
I own both an 1997 Impreza Turbo (Catalunya) and a 1991 Sapphire Cossie 4x4.
I've had my cossie 4 years and it has cost me an arm and leg to run it because they are not know for reliablity (is any Ford car ??).
The impreza and cossie are two different cars completely and both have there good and bad points. But when my Cossie runs right it is a fantastic car. It's beats my impreza for top end grunt and pulls like a train.
I love my impreza because it's more reliable and I don't have to buy some new part every week like I do on my cossie !!
Anyway I like both cars !!
I don't think there is much difference between the Escort Cossie and Sapphire 4x4 cossie engine apart from different turbos and ECU's. The Sapphire cossie comes in Red top or Green top depending if it's fitted with a Cat converter. The Escort has a quicker 0-60 time and a slower top speed.
The Escort is a nicer looking a more modern car overall than the Sapphire.
hope this helps
Gary
14 August 2001 | 03:43 PM
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Gordon,
Have a good look and spend some time in both cars is all I can suggest - make your mind up after that
Gary,
Did you own both these cars from new?? Have you had the Subaru for four years??
I don't think your comparison is necessarily a fair one.
Have a good look and spend some time in both cars is all I can suggest - make your mind up after that
Gary,
Did you own both these cars from new?? Have you had the Subaru for four years??
I don't think your comparison is necessarily a fair one.
14 August 2001 | 03:45 PM
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Gary
Sorry to hear that you have problems with you Sapphire. The Escort Cossie is normally more reliable, as the mechanicals were still being sorted when the Sapphire 4x4 was in production.
Gordon
I gather you don't need a passport to get into England - most people use the underside of a train. However, you probably need the passport to get back.
On a different note, you should find that the cam cover for the Escort is Green, as were later Sapphires. The YBG/H engine used in the Escort is very strong, and most of the problems had been removed by the time that the Sapphire left production to be replaced by the Escort.
Duncan
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Sorry to hear that you have problems with you Sapphire. The Escort Cossie is normally more reliable, as the mechanicals were still being sorted when the Sapphire 4x4 was in production.
Gordon
I gather you don't need a passport to get into England - most people use the underside of a train.
However, you probably need the passport to get back.On a different note, you should find that the cam cover for the Escort is Green, as were later Sapphires. The YBG/H engine used in the Escort is very strong, and most of the problems had been removed by the time that the Sapphire left production to be replaced by the Escort.
Duncan
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14 August 2001 | 03:58 PM
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Thanks for all the advice.
I think all the fingers are pointing towards the Cossie. I've had 2 Scoobys before (including my Terzo) and I think it's time for something different.
Ultimately I would have loved a Evo 5 in yellow but it's the thought of it as a grey import. As I said before, my brother didn't have much luck with imports and had strongly advised against it, no matter how cheap or how good it is.
I think I'll go for a wee trip to England and try a few cossies out.
I'll keep you guys updated.
I think all the fingers are pointing towards the Cossie. I've had 2 Scoobys before (including my Terzo) and I think it's time for something different.
Ultimately I would have loved a Evo 5 in yellow but it's the thought of it as a grey import. As I said before, my brother didn't have much luck with imports and had strongly advised against it, no matter how cheap or how good it is.
I think I'll go for a wee trip to England and try a few cossies out.
I'll keep you guys updated.
14 August 2001 | 04:05 PM
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Hi Dragon
I've only had the impreza a couple of months. I know it's early days yet, but I am confident it will be more reliable then my Cossie. I still enjoy my Cossie because there are not that many of them left but there seems to be hundreds of scoobies around. I agree the cossie is cheaper to run in the long term if it goes wrong than the impreza. Parts are much cheaper as you say.
I enjoy the cossie even if I sound like I am saying it keeps breaking down which is not true.
Do you have a cossie ??
Cheers
Gary
I've only had the impreza a couple of months. I know it's early days yet, but I am confident it will be more reliable then my Cossie. I still enjoy my Cossie because there are not that many of them left but there seems to be hundreds of scoobies around. I agree the cossie is cheaper to run in the long term if it goes wrong than the impreza. Parts are much cheaper as you say.
I enjoy the cossie even if I sound like I am saying it keeps breaking down which is not true.
Do you have a cossie ??
Cheers
Gary
15 August 2001 | 12:10 AM
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I love it when people talk about specifics on cars when they obviously know naff all about what they are talking about!!!!! 
Gordon,
I'll see if I can answer your questions.
"Why did you sell the Cossie to get a WRX and then back to a Cossie?"
Quite a number of reasons really.
I had to sell the Escort back in 1998 due to personal reasons (divorce). After some time I chose to buy an Escort RS Turbo (just as a toy really). After owning that for 6 months a absolute MINT WRX came up at a price I couldn't refuse, and as these were beginning to become very desirable I bought it. The car was a MY94 240ps version and after mods (exhaust, filter and Unichip) it was pushing out 280bhp (on Powerstations rollers). After owning the Cossie, I missed the immense torque (it had 330 ftlb) and sudden surge that the 24psi of boost gave me. Even though the WRX was powerful, it didn't give me the same grin factor as the cossie, even though it was a smoother car to drive. The handling also was different to the cossie. Where the Cossie felt like it was on rails (because of the wide track), the WRX was a much easier car to break away. The Cossie just felt more stable on the road. I personally felt more comfortable driving it fast. Because of these concerns and reasons I chose to chop in the WRX and I bought another Escort Cossie last April.
Escort Cossie Advantages
------------------------
Many low mileage examples available
Very good road handling (comparison of a standard Escort Cossie)
Very strong engines and tranny (if maintained)
Very reliable if the right car is bought
They look the bolloxs IMHO
Cheap parts
Cheap servicing
Easy to work on
Limited numbers
Holding there value
Easy/cheap to tune for big power
A lot of proven experience/help/guidance available
Rock solid on the road
Easy to drive
Modded Cossies will give the driver a big grin factor
They are ALL 3 doors
Escort Cossie Disadvantages
---------------------------
Can be a problem to insure (not so much now)
Be careful what you buy, there are some right snotters
Reliability can be an issue if a rogue car is bought
Can be a bit to raw for some peoples driving tastes
Large turbo models have immense lag
Once that back end goes.....kiss your a s s goodbye
Cars are getting on a bit now
Old, if reliable technology
Can be expensive to buy (for the age)
Subaru Advantages
-----------------
STi's V/VI 3drs look the bolloxs
Excellent road handling (comparison of a standard Subaru)
Very fast cars
The in thing to have
They are still in production
Easy to drive
Plenty to choose from
Relatively easy to insure (UK models)
Getting cheaper to buy
Subaru Disadvantages
--------------------
Worrying reliability issues
Expensive to maintain
Expensive to service
The theifs love 'em
Limited mods available at resonable cost
Every Tom, Dick and Harry has them
Not a great deal of expertise available (too many conflicting stories)
Differences
-----------
Driving style is very different.
Power delivery is very different.
Without a doubt a standard Scooby will outperform a standard Escort Cossie. Modify the Escort Cossie (suspension, brakes, bushes and engine) and the story is very much different.
If you want a family car that is both easy/forgiving/fast and smooth buy a Scooby. If you want something that gives you a rush/fast and is a bit on the raucous side buy an Escort.
The Escort Cossie was based on the Sapphire 4x4 as it utilises the same base engine and transmission. The floorplan is longer than a standard Escort but shorter then a Sapphire. The top speed (on a standard one anyhow) is not as good as either the Sapphire or Scooby because of the rear fin. This enables the car to have immense down force at the rear which gives it immense grip and what aides to make it feel so firm and squat on the road. But of course there is one side effect of the wing, increased drag hence the lower top speed. Unlike the Scooby the power is biased to the rear (I think it's 66% rear to 34% front), hence the difference in driving style.
The reason why cossies have a bad rep for reliability, is because of the simple facts of age coupled with poor maintenance doesnt bode well!!!! This isn't so much of a problem with Escorts because they are newer, but is still a consideration when buying....another words buy the right car and you won't get any problems (My first Escort did over 10k with no major probs (on a 330bhp conversion), and my present one has done over 6k on the same conversion).
Two powerplant types of Escorts exist.
From J reg to L reg - Large turbo.
Identified by a BLUE rocker cover.
Immense lag from the T34 turbo, but endless tuning abilitys.
From M reg to N reg - Small turbo.
Identified by a BLACK/SILVER rocker cover
Better driveability at lower speeds, limited tuning abilitys (circa 300bhp).
Quite a number of trim models are available, together with a special edition Monte Carlo version.
What to buy (for resale value)
Large Turbo LUX
**Which includes electric windows/sunroof/door mirrors/central locking/heated front screen
Air-con
Leather
Low mileage around 40k
Typical price between £14500-£15500
My present car is as the above spec and had 34k miles on it when I bought it. It cost me £16k over a year ago. It has done 40k now, and is still worth around the same money.
Anymore questions...fire away!!!
Regards,
Shaun.
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Gordon,
I'll see if I can answer your questions.
"Why did you sell the Cossie to get a WRX and then back to a Cossie?"
Quite a number of reasons really.
I had to sell the Escort back in 1998 due to personal reasons (divorce). After some time I chose to buy an Escort RS Turbo (just as a toy really). After owning that for 6 months a absolute MINT WRX came up at a price I couldn't refuse, and as these were beginning to become very desirable I bought it. The car was a MY94 240ps version and after mods (exhaust, filter and Unichip) it was pushing out 280bhp (on Powerstations rollers
). After owning the Cossie, I missed the immense torque (it had 330 ftlb) and sudden surge that the 24psi of boost gave me. Even though the WRX was powerful, it didn't give me the same grin factor as the cossie, even though it was a smoother car to drive. The handling also was different to the cossie. Where the Cossie felt like it was on rails (because of the wide track), the WRX was a much easier car to break away. The Cossie just felt more stable on the road. I personally felt more comfortable driving it fast. Because of these concerns and reasons I chose to chop in the WRX and I bought another Escort Cossie last April.Escort Cossie Advantages
------------------------
Many low mileage examples available
Very good road handling (comparison of a standard Escort Cossie)
Very strong engines and tranny (if maintained)
Very reliable if the right car is bought
They look the bolloxs IMHO
Cheap parts
Cheap servicing
Easy to work on
Limited numbers
Holding there value
Easy/cheap to tune for big power
A lot of proven experience/help/guidance available
Rock solid on the road
Easy to drive
Modded Cossies will give the driver a big grin factor
They are ALL 3 doors
Escort Cossie Disadvantages
---------------------------
Can be a problem to insure (not so much now)
Be careful what you buy, there are some right snotters
Reliability can be an issue if a rogue car is bought
Can be a bit to raw for some peoples driving tastes
Large turbo models have immense lag
Once that back end goes.....kiss your a s s goodbye
Cars are getting on a bit now
Old, if reliable technology
Can be expensive to buy (for the age)
Subaru Advantages
-----------------
STi's V/VI 3drs look the bolloxs
Excellent road handling (comparison of a standard Subaru)
Very fast cars
The in thing to have
They are still in production
Easy to drive
Plenty to choose from
Relatively easy to insure (UK models)
Getting cheaper to buy
Subaru Disadvantages
--------------------
Worrying reliability issues
Expensive to maintain
Expensive to service
The theifs love 'em
Limited mods available at resonable cost
Every Tom, Dick and Harry has them
Not a great deal of expertise available (too many conflicting stories)
Differences
-----------
Driving style is very different.
Power delivery is very different.
Without a doubt a standard Scooby will outperform a standard Escort Cossie. Modify the Escort Cossie (suspension, brakes, bushes and engine) and the story is very much different.
If you want a family car that is both easy/forgiving/fast and smooth buy a Scooby. If you want something that gives you a rush/fast and is a bit on the raucous side buy an Escort.
The Escort Cossie was based on the Sapphire 4x4 as it utilises the same base engine and transmission. The floorplan is longer than a standard Escort but shorter then a Sapphire. The top speed (on a standard one anyhow) is not as good as either the Sapphire or Scooby because of the rear fin. This enables the car to have immense down force at the rear which gives it immense grip and what aides to make it feel so firm and squat on the road. But of course there is one side effect of the wing, increased drag hence the lower top speed. Unlike the Scooby the power is biased to the rear (I think it's 66% rear to 34% front), hence the difference in driving style.
The reason why cossies have a bad rep for reliability, is because of the simple facts of age coupled with poor maintenance doesnt bode well!!!! This isn't so much of a problem with Escorts because they are newer, but is still a consideration when buying....another words buy the right car and you won't get any problems (My first Escort did over 10k with no major probs (on a 330bhp conversion), and my present one has done over 6k on the same conversion).
Two powerplant types of Escorts exist.
From J reg to L reg - Large turbo.
Identified by a BLUE rocker cover.
Immense lag from the T34 turbo, but endless tuning abilitys.
From M reg to N reg - Small turbo.
Identified by a BLACK/SILVER rocker cover
Better driveability at lower speeds, limited tuning abilitys (circa 300bhp).
Quite a number of trim models are available, together with a special edition Monte Carlo version.
What to buy (for resale value)
Large Turbo LUX
**Which includes electric windows/sunroof/door mirrors/central locking/heated front screen
Air-con
Leather
Low mileage around 40k
Typical price between £14500-£15500
My present car is as the above spec and had 34k miles on it when I bought it. It cost me £16k over a year ago. It has done 40k now, and is still worth around the same money.
Anymore questions...fire away!!!
Regards,
Shaun.
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15 August 2001 | 01:45 AM
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Dragon,
Did I mention your name matey?????
It wasn't directed at you.
Just so many people blatently give incorrect infomation and views that bear no relevance on topics like this......that's all.
Regards,
Shaun.
Did I mention your name matey?????
It wasn't directed at you.
Just so many people blatently give incorrect infomation and views that bear no relevance on topics like this......that's all.
Regards,
Shaun.
16 August 2001 | 08:35 AM
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Jeez Shaun, did you stop for breath?
I like the Cossys for the sheer grunt they produce and for little money you can have a 330bhp conversion, which will give you the big cheesy grin factor.
In my opinion no other car can do the same for the kind of money they go sell for.
Gordon, if you've already got a Scooby now, then a Cossy is a must. 24psi is very addictive
Nath
I like the Cossys for the sheer grunt they produce and for little money you can have a 330bhp conversion, which will give you the big cheesy grin factor.
In my opinion no other car can do the same for the kind of money they go sell for.
Gordon, if you've already got a Scooby now, then a Cossy is a must. 24psi is very addictive
Nath
16 August 2001 | 11:55 AM
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Gordon,
I think you're making a big mistake to write of the EVO V just because it's an import. Why not find one at a reputable dealer like Warrender, Park Lane etc. and buy it with a full warrenty. If you have to, get it checked out by a UK Mitsubishi dealer before purchase. You may even find one for sale at a Mitsubishi dealer because unless they've recently u-turned, Mitsubishi now service and sell import EVO's, so where's the risk?
I'm sorry your brother had problems with his imports (what cars? what problems?) but it really shouldn't put you off buying such an excellent and reliable car.
Escort Cosworths are obviously vey good cars as well, but they are not as good an all rounder as the EVO V. Why not drive one and see for yourself? It would be foolish to deprive yourself of the best choice just because of an ill judged misconception about all imports. Alternatively, stretch a little bit further and buy a UK non import EVO VI...
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I think you're making a big mistake to write of the EVO V just because it's an import. Why not find one at a reputable dealer like Warrender, Park Lane etc. and buy it with a full warrenty. If you have to, get it checked out by a UK Mitsubishi dealer before purchase. You may even find one for sale at a Mitsubishi dealer because unless they've recently u-turned, Mitsubishi now service and sell import EVO's, so where's the risk?
I'm sorry your brother had problems with his imports (what cars? what problems?) but it really shouldn't put you off buying such an excellent and reliable car.
Escort Cosworths are obviously vey good cars as well, but they are not as good an all rounder as the EVO V. Why not drive one and see for yourself? It would be foolish to deprive yourself of the best choice just because of an ill judged misconception about all imports. Alternatively, stretch a little bit further and buy a UK non import EVO VI...
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16 August 2001 | 12:03 PM
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Gordon,
You won't get anything with a larger 'big grin' factor this side of £20k than a big BHP cossie; the punch you get from runnning large boost is second to none
If you want a more comfy, less rustic, slightly better handling car then the scoob is nice buy - I have only ever driven a 'R plate Terzo III personally and thought it was very good.
Jim.
You won't get anything with a larger 'big grin' factor this side of £20k than a big BHP cossie; the punch you get from runnning large boost is second to none
If you want a more comfy, less rustic, slightly better handling car then the scoob is nice buy - I have only ever driven a 'R plate Terzo III personally and thought it was very good.
Jim.
17 August 2001 | 08:22 AM
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Lol @ Sean
Whoops, I forgot to mention that my Cossy is also a '92 4x4 Sapphire...with the big grin 24psi!
Gordon, try and find someone who has a 330 conversion near to you and jump in the passenger seat. You can always put out a shout on the rsoc bb (when its working )...Or I can always do it for you
Nath
Whoops, I forgot to mention that my Cossy is also a '92 4x4 Sapphire...with the big grin 24psi
!Gordon, try and find someone who has a 330 conversion near to you and jump in the passenger seat. You can always put out a shout on the rsoc bb (when its working
)...Or I can always do it for you Nath
17 August 2001 | 12:03 PM
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Gordon,
I assume that because of the colour, the Escort you looking at is a small turbo model. In view of this, it is EXTREMELY unlikely to have the quoted 320bhp (typically exagerated figures), as this would only be achievable with the Webber Marrelli set up (big turbo model). The later Escorts have the crappy Ford's own EECIV ECU, as seen on Sapphire 2.0 GLSi's, which is useless and should be thrown in the skip!
When you view the car, check out the colour of the injectors. They should be dark blue. If they are, this will mean the car will not physically be able to have more than 280bhp, as the injectors will not flow any more fuel than for that. However, if they are a dark green colour, this will mean that someone has gone to the expense of converting the car over to Webber injection, and it is then likely that the 320bhp figure is believable.
Best thing to do is find out how the alleged 320bhp was achieved. I imagine that it is the GGR305 conversion (which actually makes 267bhp according to an engine dyno) and the owner has added 15bhp to the claimed figure due to an exhaust and filter....
Regards
Mike R
Norfolk Group RSOC Chairman / 500bhp+ Cossie Owner
Only one of us made it to the magic figure, and I'll give you a clue - it had more than two wheels! (180.9mph at Brunters (with air temps of 30°C I might add - 2nd time around...) - current Sapphire record holder)
RSOC No: 20307
I assume that because of the colour, the Escort you looking at is a small turbo model. In view of this, it is EXTREMELY unlikely to have the quoted 320bhp (typically exagerated figures), as this would only be achievable with the Webber Marrelli set up (big turbo model). The later Escorts have the crappy Ford's own EECIV ECU, as seen on Sapphire 2.0 GLSi's, which is useless and should be thrown in the skip!
When you view the car, check out the colour of the injectors. They should be dark blue. If they are, this will mean the car will not physically be able to have more than 280bhp, as the injectors will not flow any more fuel than for that. However, if they are a dark green colour, this will mean that someone has gone to the expense of converting the car over to Webber injection, and it is then likely that the 320bhp figure is believable.
Best thing to do is find out how the alleged 320bhp was achieved. I imagine that it is the GGR305 conversion (which actually makes 267bhp according to an engine dyno) and the owner has added 15bhp to the claimed figure due to an exhaust and filter....
Regards
Mike R
Norfolk Group RSOC Chairman / 500bhp+ Cossie Owner
Only one of us made it to the magic figure, and I'll give you a clue - it had more than two wheels! (180.9mph at Brunters (with air temps of 30°C I might add - 2nd time around...) - current Sapphire record holder)
RSOC No: 20307