uncle buck

Yes, she plays the pink oboe rather well too I heard.

JackClark

Those pictures are not nice at all Anyone have the video?

Tiggs

on the subject (of cover versions, not ms shaws bits) why are they remaking manhunter with anthony hopkins? now that is a stpid idea.

T

MarkO

What a load of claptrap. For punters, it's about music we like. I actually liked the first Hear'say album, and am not ashamed to admit it.

As far as I'm concerned, I like who I like. Whether it's somebody like Blur, who worked their way up through the gig scene in to the bigtime, or somebody like Aqualung, who got lucky by being recognised by VW, or somebody like Sarah Whatmore, who was projected to fame by a TV show. Fact is, I like 'em all, and none of 'em can claim to be any better than the other on the grounds of how long they struggled for before they got famous.

In fact, Aqualung is a good example - them, Royksopp and so on were all nobodies before their song made it to an ad. Then they were projected to worldwide fame and fortune. Why are they any more deserving of praise than Will Young, Darius et al??!

Tiggs

music comes and music goes, we are moving into a new era. the music from before doesnt get lost, i still listen to some bruce and the e street boys but i dont expect there like to land a major record deal nowadays anymore than i expect to see mozart on top of the pops.

times change.

T

jasonwrxowner

Well you feckin well should be. When are you expecting some pubic hair!

Bet you can't wait for the new S-Club Juniors album.

Gridlock Mikey

Rock is where it is at

You can keep ya boy bands etc and shove 'em Especially when they try and rip off rock music (Five, i love rock and roll [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] )

I am VERY opinionated about music, i don't sit on the wall about it. If I don't like it, it is CRAP!! Simple

Techno, Max Power Nova Beat Box fodder type music Sucks, Always has always will. Dead clever looping the same old sample together and then talking Trash over the top and THEN sampling ya own voice to make it sound more bloody interesting

There's a song in the charts at the moment that starts with the opening chords of Deep Purples "Smoke on the water" except its only the first three notes...yes you've guessed it.....LOOPED.

I play a guitar in a rock band and i love it, I can feel free to improvise, it is forgiving if i get it wrong and i can control tempo's etc during songs. You try and change anything about a techno song and if it doesn't fit into a 4/4 beat frame then that's it party's over, song's crap!!

Rant Off

Mikey

jasonwrxowner

Mikey....I totaly agree.

I am also in a band and play Guitar. Our drummer would do his feckin nut if I started trying to hurry him up.

Gridlock Mikey

OOps

Got carried away there

Tiggs, things do change but surely they should change how you want them to not because big brother can't be arsed to make the effort to change things for the better.

Mikey

Gridlock Mikey

Jason,

or slow him down

Mikey

MarkO

Have you actually heard it? Or are you, like most people, condemning all of these new bands on the basis of what you've read in the Guardian?

Hear'say produced some rather good pop music. It may not be to your tastes (I absolutely hate rock, but I'm not going to slate Led Zeppelin just because I happen to believe they're a pile of steaming horse-sh*t.

Perhaps if you people learned that it takes different strokes for different folks, you might chill out a bit and enjoy life more. Just because you don't think that pop music/dance/trance/drum'n'base/jazz/rock/hip-hop/rnb/soul/whatever isn't your cup of tea, doesn't make it rubbish. It just means it's not your thing.

What you're preaching is basically artistic or musical facism. [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

brickboy

Pure & Simple -- great single. It'll keep Betty Boo off the dole for a while at least.

Think about this: when Max Martin wrote and made a demo of "Hit Me Baby One More Time", he did it in a Rainbow / Whitesnake style, thinking it would make a big Aerosmith-type ballad.

The song's the thing

jasonwrxowner

I read Q and generally agree with all of their reviews. They are after all in the business or music review.

Their review of the Hearsay album was something like.

"would make a great a great placemat to protect your coffee table"

MarkO

So I was right, you haven't actually heard it.

Q are the same as all the other music biz people - they only think a band deserves to make it if they've been on the dole for at least 48 months, and if the make-up of the band involves at least one guy with long hair, and at least 2 heavy guitar riffs in every song.

Perhaps instead of spouting all this unfounded opinionated bull****, you ought to actually take a listen to what you criticise before you slate it. Otherwise you're heading dangerously close to the Mary Whitehouse "I've not watched it, but it's obviously offensive" attitude.

jasonwrxowner

Brickboy......Have you not heard the Travis version........Much better. (In my opinion only)

As stated by MarkO it's a matter of taste.

Gary simply put after.

GaryK

cheers jason!

jasonwrxowner

MarkO......I don't completly disagree with you. You have some valid points. You should however follow your own advise and read Q magazine before making an assumption like you did as it is blatently obvious that have not read this publication if you have reached this conclusion.

Glimpsing it on WH Smith does not count.

Good points though. I would have to buy the album to listen to it. By reading Q and trusting their judgment I can save money to spend on albums that I know I will like as I have liked their previous recommendations.

I do agree though that if we all liked the same thing then there would only be the need for one type of music. How dull would that be?

Tiggs

why cant you like what you like and leave what you dont alone?

i like some dire straights but not twisting by the pool! doesnt mean i lob the album out!

i like arnold but you'll not find me watching kindergarden cop anymore than you'll find me telling anyone that doesnt like predator they are stupid.

liberty x's recent cover is cool, but i'll not buy the album.

big macs are ok but im not a fan of there nugets.

calm down people!

T

MarkO

Exactly my point. Thanks for taking this exactly where I wanted it to go. Fair enough. But that makes the assumption that you like everything Q likes, and everything they don't like, you won't either. I'm sure there's plenty of Smash Hits readers who would suggest that the recommendations made by Q are absurd, and that they rely on their mag to decide what to buy.

Personally, I don't bother with others' opinions like that. The internet means I can hear a track or an album whenever I want, and if I like it I'll go and buy it. If I don't, I've not lost out. About as dull as rock music.

MarkO

<pipe>Jaguar owners don't do that sort of thing, dontchaknow.</and slipppers>
Yeah could do. Anything here you like?

astraboy

You want to get away from commercial pap? then keep it underground people. I did and I've never been happier.
www.your-names-not-down.com
astraboy.

mattstant

claptrap how exactly ??????

you still dont understand
My protest is about the way the industry has changed for the worse

pre 90s

record company A+R man gets off his **** tours around gigs looking for interesting new and popular acts who dont necessarily have to have suffered for the art just have a modicom of talent and originality take your time to nurture the talent and help with a decent producer who will be sympathetic to the direction they are going.
Risky

post 1990

A+R man probably no longer exists as advertising/company exec decides its time for a new act as the pimply faced one he already is past its shelf life or is starting to realise how much they are being ripped off
so he looks through a model agency catalogue or comissions a new "star search" with which he ties in lucrative product placements and sponsorship and drags the nations youth through a humilitating televised selection process and ends up with half a dozen jason donovan /kylie minogue clones
then he proceeds to dress them give them elecution lessons selects an ancient 60s/70s record so it sounds new to the prepubescents which is also preferably out of copyright or already in the companies backlist.
and in two years time repeat the process
piece of **** and fat bonus cheques all round


Now by which process do you think we are going to get decent original music

cookiemonster

mattstant - dunno where you used to live pre '90's

remember these talented souls in the 80's such as Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, the whole stock AW catelogue ?

If you want to go right back, then Motown were the original manufactured pop. Get a good looking singer give them a song from professional writers and use the house backing band, churn out as much as you can, then move on.

Pop music has always been this way, its just as you grow up you forget how crap 99% of the music was.

drumsterphil

iTrader: (1)

Do not despair for today's youth. If we stick to rock then the kids are getting to listen to some great stuff at the moment - that is above all played by REAL musicians. You may knock the music, but the likes of Slipknot can really play and kids into metal/rock have a way of gravitating towards learning an instrument.

Having played drums for a number of years I've despaired of the throw-away pop assembly line that rules the british music scene and all the **** that you see on TOTP every week.

People moan about british bands not making it in USA, well FFS what do you expect when a lot of live music venues have changed cos it's more profitable to get a pool table in and the main stream just appears to be made up of pretty girl/boy bands ruining classics.

Music should be kept real!

DP.

Mark Jackson

I think they were made on a simliar line to the Chicken Nuggets only with less nice Emulsified Chicken by-products

Gridlock Mikey

MarkO,

Totally Disagree with everything that you have said

Live and let live just because it ain't your cup of tea that doesn't mean it's crap. Absolute Bollox!! It's called having an opinion and i value mine.

If i was saying that all music apart from rock is crap AND anyone who disagrees is a plonker, then your points are valid.

I don't like pop music that has been manufactured and presented to me in a style that record companies think i will like, I don't like hip hop/rap etc with "Attitude" lyrics because 9 times out of 10 it's not their attitude and to listen to them you would think that they are the only/first artist to shoot someone/throw summat outta a window/steal a girlfriend/loose a best mate/ yawn,yawn,yawn.

As i have said before, because i am not conforming with "society's" guidelines on what constitutes good music, doesn't make me a music fascist or racist as someone posted earlier, it's my opinion!

Far more insulting and "racist" was the "stick a long haired bloke into the band and have a couple of heavy guitar riffs" comment from earlier, what's that all about?

I voice my opinion, because i have the strength of character to do so, as they say.........in this world, there are Followers and Leaders.....which one are you?.........Honestly?

Mikey

MarkO

LOL. How amusing and patronising.

So you think that the music you like is the best, and if - horror of horrors - somebody should deign to not like what you do, or worse still should they have the audacity to like something that you don't, then clearly they're just being a sheep.

I take great offence at your comments about "are you a leader or follower" and so on. [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] Whether I like Led Zepplin, the Beatles, Paul Oakenfold, Fats Domino or Take That is about personal taste. You imply that because I hear something I like, and don't judge it purely on it's 'coolness' in society, that I'm somehow being a sheep, or only going with the trends.

Well, my friend, the opposite is clearly true. I don't like Hear'say above and to the exclusion of all else, but I do like them. I like all sorts of stuff, be it cheesey commercial manufactured pap, or classic 'quality' (in your terms) music. However, unlike you, who clearly doesn't have the ***** to say what you like, I don't feel I have to comply with the superiorist snideness of people like you when deciding what I will or won't enjoy.

I think you're getting confused between music "being crap" and music "being crap, in your opinion". Whilst your opinion of a band/album/track might be that it's crap, that doesn't mean it's actually crap. It just means you don't like it.

You go ahead and conform to your peer group's guidelines - personally, I'd rather choose what I like, and if somebody thinks my taste is good, bad or indifferent, I really couldn't give a toss.

Oh, and nobody mentioned racism - only facism.

Gridlock Mikey

Absolute twaddle

I used to "bimble" through life doing the cool thing, wearing the latest whatever, listening to "manufactured" junk just so that i could talk about it in the playground or down the youth club (How long ago was that ) It worked for me then, suddenly Spandau Ballet, Culture Club, Aha, Soft Cell etc appeared. OK the music wasn't brilliant but it was different for the day. That wasn't a problem to me in it's self, the problem came when my mates started going all "New romantic" and wearing bloody make up, pointy boots with buckles, silk scarves etc in order to stay "cool"

Most of them look back at those days and cringe when they see the photo's of them looking like transvestites and agree with me, they did it because of "The crowd" .....Sheep!!

What happens now a days is the same only alot more conservative, i.e Boy bands now dress "casually" as opposed to say East 17 when they came out it was all puffer jackets and tall baseball caps on backwards with loads of jewelry hanging off all over the place (Admit it, their "manufactured" image was rubbish) I don't live and let live when i see people walking around with puffer jackets and stuff on, I have an opinion which is...That person looks a right puddin'

I'm sure people look at me when i am out and about and think the same thing about me. It doesn't bother me, but if you are sat in your ivory tower, thinking that everyone shares your "rosy" beliefs that everyone will tolerate everyone else because it "takes all sorts" or "live and let live" or other such liberal bunkum, then you are clearly living in a cardboard box (Another bizzare pop song)

People might be a bit more diplomatic about it outwardly but in their heads they are thinking all those politically incorrect things.....Bloody hell she's fat.....That blokes breath stinks......He's got a funny walk.........You wouldn't catch me in the queue in Sainsbury's with me cycling shorts and helmet on....etc.

I have voiced a belief, most people are happy with it because they can see where i'm coming from, you on the other hand are having a spot of bother with my outspoken stance on this issue, which happens to be about music, because in your "rosy" world people like me are frowned upon, YOU are the leader in your world, and woe betide anyone who dare rock the rosy boat.

Anyway's In MY world, once i have tried three times to communicate with someone and they don't get me, I move on. Thanks for the stimulus, i'm glad people like you exist, you make people like me shine

By the way, i comment freely about other makes of car, money, race, religion, sexuality and war and still my friends talk to me about very personal issues. Is it because they know where they stand with me........in my world

Mikey

MarkO

All of that implies that you clearly haven't understood where I'm coming from at all. You seem to think that I'm saying it's okay to like pop music because other people like it (or something). I'm not. If you don't like pop, that's cool. But I do - and there's no reason I should be slated for it. I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan, but there are also times when, out of choice, I'll stick the LibertyX album on and tap my feet to that. What you're effectively saying is that by doing the latter, I'm somehow being a sheep!??!

You also seem to think that because I listen to Hear'say (or whoever) that I'm some sort of fashion victim. Erm, no.... I'm sure there were/are plenty of people (such as myself) who listen to the Cure without using white face powder, excessive eye-shadow and having black fuzzy hair. As I've said - I like the music for what it is, not because other people think it may or may not be 'kewl'.

I'm not asking you to like all types of music, nor suggesting that you should. Likewise, I'm sure you don't give a rat's **** whether or not I like your favourite bands. All I'm saying, though, is that whilst you may not personally like Hear'say, et al, that doesn't by default make them crap. Similarly, I know and respect Led Zeppelin's music, but I don't enjoy listening to it.

The only spot of bother I've had with your outspoken belief is that you're dismissive of music other than that which conforms to your personal tastes. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's crap.

And, for the record, I've regularly mentally condemned smelly fat people for having a silly walk, but I've also stood in the queue in Sainsburys wearing lycra shorts, SPDs and a cycling helmet (much to the horror of others in the store).

jasonwrxowner

This should settle it.

Anti