Nic

Don't know if these points have already been raised so sorry for repeating, if the old gimmer owned a large Japanese dog [presumably an Akita] then he wouldn't have been bothered by a shepherd. We had a client come into the Vets who had been walking her dog in the local woods....same thing happened except her dog was a whippet and the guy hit it a couple of times fracturing its skull....apparently he thought it 'looked like trouble' WTF!!!! I'm with you on this one, your dog was under control [being on a lead doesn't mean owners have control of them] as for the dog getting shot......that is only allowed on farm land if the farmer thinks his flock are threatened but I would have more than a few words to say about it if they shot my dog

puppypower

I think some of you guys are missing the point, I am more than most aware of the dog laws with regards to dangerously out of control in public place. Only BYELAWS restrict the dogs being on a lead.

This happened at least 1.5 miles from the nearest road.

Thanks for the support I've fully calmed down now, but still have visions of that cane breaking over his head.
I've told my mates what happened and them knowing me are surprised I'm not inside right now.

I had a Rottie run up to us yesterday, I didn't break a metal bar over his head just cause he was big.

PP

puppypower

Sorry just read Claudius's reply and I wouldn't advertise yourself at trackdays mate!!!!!!!!!

puppypower

Ok I'll read all the replies before posting a reply next time, sorry.

I just can't get some of you people, you make a dog more aggressive by restraining him, three factors come into play when they see another dog.

Fight
Flee
Freeze

If I had shouted at my dog he instantly thinks somethings wrong and associates that other dog with the problem. I know him very well and know how to read him. He normally wanders over, quick sniff and comes away. He has never attacked!!!

I understand that the old guy was probably a bit scared but he had a massive Japanese Akita so was well aware of how to react to a big dog.

My dog is a member of my family and to see one of your own attacked is astounding especially unprovoked. I would have had no problem with the guy hitting my dog if they were fighting, but this was before he even got to them.

Before replying put yourself in my shoes, imagine the dog as a relative, I didn't **** the guy although felt like it. He didn't give me his name, so the Police could sort it out, and he gave me the V's once inside his car.

Old are not the guy was still a pr1ck, if he had been in the same league as me I know the outcome would be very different.

Nic

Not that I need to tell you PP but your right, if he had been on a lead he would have been more inclined to protect both you and the sprog...his family

Alpine

As a dog owner I agree that if someone did this to my dog I would be very very angry. Having said that I think the problem with society is that everyone is very insular and fails to see the other person's point of view.

Our dog is a border collie and when she was 7 weeks old we introduced her to my gf's mother. She would not come near her. She was attacked by a German Shephard 40 years ago and still bears the scars. Over the last 3 years she has learned that she is safe with our dog and is prepared to be in the same room and come for walks but doesn't really like close attention. She is still totally in fear of other dogs.

You make many assumptions about the old geezer.. Maybe his situation is similar to the above, maybe he was unwillingly walking the dog of an ill neighbour.

My point is perhaps it would have been better once you'd split everything up to find out from the guy what the story was. 'What did you hit my dog for she was only being friendly?' Perhaps you could have educated him, perhaps you would have got a sincere apology for an over-reaction. Perhaps he would have been an arrogant old ****** and then you could have punched him..

I guarantee his story will be different from yours.

dsmith

Alpine, seeing it form someones else's viewpoint will never catch on

jonny gav

iTrader: (1)

if he had hit our dog over the head with a stick he would be missing an arm now!

David_Wallis

PP... Agree 100% Have two dogs.. Anybody hits / kicks my dogs then they can 100% expect worse.

David

Nic

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah he's sooooo cute!!!!

RaZe-=Buzz=-

dsmith and jjones

Sad "comedy" twosome.....and that seems to apply here as well..
Which one of you is the fatty?

Id have killed the old man, eaten his dog, and fed his rotting corpse to my piranhas .. honest..

Actually, seeing both sides and having had a german shepherd its sad that the mad old git reacted like that.

"clap clap clap" to PP for being relatively restrained, but "boo hiss" for throwing him in the bush or whatever it was you did.

puppypower

Alpine

I did exactly that mate, if he'd of said " Sorry I didn't mean it" or any excuse I would have left it, he could see my dog was bleeding. He showed no remorse at all.

PP

Nic

PP- Just a thought, did your pooch require any vet treatment?

dogmaul

to be honest 10st alsatian i would have no problem with as i have had experience of them and i have never seen an alsatin be very aggressive unless its been trained to be but an akita they are bigger than alsatians normally, also they can be very aggressive dogs

info on akita's
Physical Appearance (Also, see Breed Standard)
The Akita always makes a lasting first impression. Akitas are large, powerful dogs with substantial bone and musculature. The broad chest and neck serve as a solid base for the Akita's large head, the Akita's most distinguishing feature. The broad skull and the short muzzle form a blunt triangle when viewed from above. The massive head in combination with the small triangular shaped eyes and small erect ears give the Akita an intimidating, yet dignified, expression.
The Akita is a very balanced looking dog, being only slightly longer than it is tall. The tail is curled and carried over the back, which serves to balance with the dog's head. Typically the male Akita is substantially larger than the female. The males range in weight from about 100 to 130 pounds, while the females range from 70 to 100 pounds.
The double coat of the Akita has the appearance of the typical northern breeds. It is short to moderate in length, but very dense and consists of two layers. The undercoat is very soft and is the primary insulator, while the outer coat, or the guard hair, is slightly longer and coarser. The Akita is very well suited to the coldest of climates, and while it might not enjoy hot weather, its coat does lighten considerably in the warmer months to compensate for the heat.

Temperament
The personality of the Akita is very complex. While temperaments vary, most would agree that the Akita is very intelligent, extremely loyal, and can exhibit aggressive tendencies. The aggressive tendencies are almost exclusively towards other dogs of the same sex. Typically, Akitas are not aggressive towards people, but do have a very well developed guarding and protective instinct. Akitas also have a high and well developed prey drive. An Akita is not likely to shower affection on someone that is not a member of his family or a close friend that he sees frequently.
The loyalty and devotion displayed by an Akita is phenomenal. The typical pet Akita will follow you from room to room, yet has the uncanny ability not to be under foot. Your Akita lives his life as if his only purpose is to protect you and spend time with you. This trait is evident in the tale of Hachiko.

RaZe-=Buzz=-

so why didnt the Akita eat the alsation then?

Andrewza

I could think of a good reply, but I can't be arsed, so anyhow three points.

1. You should have consideration for others. A large dog not on a lead in an area with other people and dogs is inconsiderate imo.

2. He shouldn't have hit your dog. It was an overreaction, but perhaps he's had a problem before.

3. You shouldn't have 'chucked him in a bush'. Again overreaction, did you really expect any kind of apology after you assaulted him?

Speedy Chap

I have a "pet" tiger. Anyway we were walking along a path when a young man with a baby in pram and a 10 stone alsatian , not on a lead, was in front of us.

He stopped and my tiger ran over wagging his tail. The man pulled out a maglite that he uses when out walking and bent it over my tigers head, my boy went nuts and attacked the dog with the man still hitting him. I was in shock after seeing this action and ran over and launched the geezer into a bush, by pulling him, not punching. I then had to seperate the dog and the tiger ( Well remove the tiger from the neck of the dog)

I asked the guy what the F0ck he was doing and he said he should be under control, I told him to leave quickly before I broke his head.

I accept that if my tiger had attacked, then he was justified, but my tiger had not even reached him. And the force it took to bend a magliteon an animals head must have been massive.

What was he afraid of, didn't he realise that my tiger was only being friendly from the way he was wagging his tail.

People get scared by things they don't understand. If walking a dog/tiger/cheetah/leopard/cat/rhino or whatever, surely its prudent to control your animal. Do you know the history of the other person's pet?

Diablo

Puppypower.

Some people are simply ignorant of the facts. They are usually the same kind of people who live in there own sad little insular world and really should not leave the confines of their computer desk.

Claudius is, in my and many others opinion, a pr1ck. Sorry for the profanity, but he has given ample evidence on this board remove any trace of slander from that comment. As for his comment about being lucky your dog wasn't shot, clearly he has no knowledge of UK laws.

A few points I'd like to make.

1) I hope your dog is ok, with no lasting damage, but get it to the vet anyway.

2) I suspect jjones continual reference to us large breed owners being 4 feet tall in need of a ***** extention is a reference to himself. He appears obsessed with that view point. presumably that is why he either owns, or aspires to own a Scoob. Alternatively he is simply inherently scared of large dogs and uses insults to hide that fear, rather than just admitting it, as is quite justifiable.

3) Your reaction was, in my opinion, entirely understandable.

4) The old bloke had a large japanese type dog. Assuming this was an Akita (as Tosa's are banned, I believe) then it would be incredibly strong, certainly stronger than any GSD. Certainly too strong for someone who requires a walking stick to get about, regardless of how well trained it is. It is quite apparent that the telescopic walking stick was carried as much as a weapon as a means of assisting his getting about.

5) Anyone with a dog should know easily how to spot a dog behaving in a threatening manner. Or they are not responsible dog owners. You must, as a dog owner, expect to meet other dogs when walking about. Dogs are naturally sociable creatures and instinctively will interact.

6) It seems to me that you had the misfortune to meet some sad old git with a chip on his shoulder who believes the world owes him a favour and respect, without earning it. He is certainly not fit to own a dog of his own.

7) No one has mentioned his dog. If he is that quick to attack someone elses, then his poor dog probably gets the same treatment.

8) It really pi55es me off how some people post argumentative and inflamatory responses on this board in matters of which they have no personal experience, or indeed particular poiunt ov view, but do so "just to put the other side's point accross" Why FFS? Stop sitting on the bloody fence and think for yourselves. If you have no relevant experience or personal belief/opinion then go away and annoy someone else please.

9) If any fukcer hits my baby, then he'll have more to worry about than a few bruises. I'll have him done for aggrivated assault and cruelty.

Here she is:

dogmaul

but the thing is if he was walking the akita he cant be that scared of big dogs ?? really and if the dog wasnt worried then he shouldnt be that worried

Diablo

Exactly Dogmaul.

Andrewza

Diablo, would you let your 'baby' run round off lead in an area with other people and dogs who you don't know? I have a dog and I certainly don't.

PP, I do hope your dog is alright, I would be annoyed if someone hit my dog, but I do feel your lack of consideration (dog not on lead) precipitated the situation.

dogmaul

WOOF !!! i love big dogs and smaller ones and have never had any trouble with any dog i have ever met maybe im just lucky who knows. I would most probably wait to be attacked first b4 ever hitting a dog.

I once almost lamped someone who hit their 4 month old jack russel puppy because it p1ssed on the floor, he just picked it up by the scruff of the neck and punched it twice in the chest

dogmaul

that happens in york on a friday/saturday night

RaZe-=Buzz=-

precipitated? How do you know it was raining?

Dogmaul has sussed the problem here though - bloke with massive strong dog, scared of smaller dog. First instinct to batter smaller dog on the head ?! Fruitloop!! Should be in a home.
Big dog and big stick to scare off muggers methinks.

dogmaul

have i can i have a scooby snack hehe

jjones

thanks for you pyscological profile of me diablo

"I suspect jjones continual reference to us large breed owners being 4 feet tall in need of a ***** extention is a reference to himself. He appears obsessed with that view point. presumably that is why he either owns, or aspires to own a Scoob."

not sure that i understand this but are you saying that you need to be four foot tall and in need of a ***** extension to drive a scooby?

you have not denied either being four foot tall or having a little *****.

so my windup sweeping generislation of large dog owners has still to be proved incorrect.

Andrewza

I would quote myself saying that the old bloke overreacted, but since you won't read it the second time I type it I won't bother.

Do a lot of people walk up to you and your dog wagging and try and sniff your ****? If so please 'brain' them, thanks.

jjones

lol andrew

nail head WHAM

Diablo

For the record, I am neither 4 foot tall nor have I any concerns about the size of my *****

My reference to Scoobs was suggesting that perhaps they may be considered a ***** extention by some.

Andrew, if anyone came up to me wagging and tried to sniff me, I would know that that was not threatening behavior although somewhat strange I would not, therefore feel the need to whack them over tyhe head with a metal stick.

D

Redkop

puppypower - are you sure you have the weight right for your GSD

I had a huge GSD - the vet said he was one of the largest he had ever seen. He only weighed just under 8 stone.

But I would also launch an assault on anyone who attacked any of my animals for whatever reason [would have weigh situ up first tho - because I am female]

I used to have an Irish Setter, she had just been speyed and I took her for a slow walk round the block with my Jack Russell bitch, both were on leads, when a dog sprung from over a garden fence and attacked the Setter, needless to say I lashed out at the dog with my feet, the owner came out and just stood there laughing after he had called his dog off. I left said owner squealing on the floor, from where my foot connected good and hard between his legs