IM says PPP on a Dutch MY01 Voids your warrenty and more ....
29 August 2001, 10:35 PM
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"More importantly, they need to offer their own customers a justifyable reason for their existance. i.e something that differentiates a UK car from an import which might represent value for the extra money UK customers have to pay."
I don't think any importer like me would disagree with IM providing an extra service for UK supplied cars, but its time to wake up and smell the coffee, the import cars are way better spec and cheaper than the UK couterparts. IM are not helping, they are going out of there way to obstruct the supply of parts which fit both cars. This means importers are not visiting show rooms, so unlike Mitsubishi who are converting import buyers to UK buyers, IM are starting to loose trade.
"More importantly, they need to offer their own customers a justifyable reason for their existance. i.e something that differentiates a UK car from an import which might represent value for the extra money UK customers have to pay."
I don't think any importer like me would disagree with IM providing an extra service for UK supplied cars, but its time to wake up and smell the coffee, the import cars are way better spec and cheaper than the UK couterparts. IM are not helping, they are going out of there way to obstruct the supply of parts which fit both cars. This means importers are not visiting show rooms, so unlike Mitsubishi who are converting import buyers to UK buyers, IM are starting to loose trade.
29 August 2001, 11:06 PM
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Are we missing the point here. The cars from europe are UK SPECIFICATION and conform to UK SPECIFICATION therefore are UK cars. Isn't this discrimination and wouldn't the office of fair trading have something to say about this.. just a thought....
30 August 2001, 12:11 AM
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IM Franchises provide ****-poor value.
Just look at the facts. You can but group N
parts for less than standard parts, this is not acting in the customers favour. Their labour rates are extortionate. And most of them just about know their way around a little gray Fergie, if you are lucky. (Note : A Fergie is a very olf make of tractor, a Massey Ferguson).
Don't understand whay we have to "support" IM,
they are not a football club, and nor do they need our "support". They are monoplolistic, just like Prodrive.
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30 August 2001, 12:25 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
<B>DISCOUNT UK LIST PRICE. Yes it does happen. What car even prommise in their Mag to get you a healthy discount. I stand by my £20,500 inc Metalic[/quote]
I tried 2 dealers and there was absolutely no way they would do that. List price plus free mats and that was that. Full stop.
<B>DISCOUNT UK LIST PRICE. Yes it does happen. What car even prommise in their Mag to get you a healthy discount. I stand by my £20,500 inc Metalic[/quote]
I tried 2 dealers and there was absolutely no way they would do that. List price plus free mats and that was that. Full stop.
30 August 2001, 07:34 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by BT52b:
<B> Worth £6000 is it?
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So far it is and I'm most likley going to keep the car for 3 years so plenty more to come.
You can buy many things from overseas at lower prices, software for instance. It's local service that I like to pay for.
If we all purchaced from overseas then Britain would have no shops, not something I'd like to see.
<B> Worth £6000 is it?
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So far it is and I'm most likley going to keep the car for 3 years so plenty more to come.
You can buy many things from overseas at lower prices, software for instance. It's local service that I like to pay for.
If we all purchaced from overseas then Britain would have no shops, not something I'd like to see.
30 August 2001, 08:40 AM
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Few points
£6000 saving !!. How many people on here have imported a FULL UK SPECIFICATION with 3 YEARS WARRANTY and ROADSIDE RECOVERY for £14,500 inc Metalic Paint ?. A UK WRX from your local I dealer should cost £20,500 inc Metalic.
Why do IM need to start servicing grey imports. My dealer doesnt need to, and the length of time required to book my car in would increase. Mitsubishi needs to, due to the lack of sales. My local dealer in the time they have sold 5/6 EVO VI's inc 2nd hand, will of sold 75 plus Scoobies. They are a main Mitsubishi dealer as well as Scooby. If IM change their stance I for one will not be happy, as it de values my car. I like their pro UK car stance and its nice to see Euro Imports and Grey take a back seat. As Jack says if everyone took the Import route, there would be no offical service for Euro Imports. Back street garage or ferry trip to Holland for the 1000 mile service.
I'm not anti import, but please if you import expect less as you deserve less for not supporting the UK.
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£6000 saving !!. How many people on here have imported a FULL UK SPECIFICATION with 3 YEARS WARRANTY and ROADSIDE RECOVERY for £14,500 inc Metalic Paint ?. A UK WRX from your local I dealer should cost £20,500 inc Metalic.
Why do IM need to start servicing grey imports. My dealer doesnt need to, and the length of time required to book my car in would increase. Mitsubishi needs to, due to the lack of sales. My local dealer in the time they have sold 5/6 EVO VI's inc 2nd hand, will of sold 75 plus Scoobies. They are a main Mitsubishi dealer as well as Scooby. If IM change their stance I for one will not be happy, as it de values my car. I like their pro UK car stance and its nice to see Euro Imports and Grey take a back seat. As Jack says if everyone took the Import route, there would be no offical service for Euro Imports. Back street garage or ferry trip to Holland for the 1000 mile service.
I'm not anti import, but please if you import expect less as you deserve less for not supporting the UK.
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30 August 2001, 08:54 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
<B>Few points
£6000 saving !!. How many people on here have imported a FULL UK SPECIFICATION with 3 YEARS WARRANTY and ROADSIDE RECOVERY for £14,500 inc Metalic Paint ?. A UK WRX from your local I dealer should cost £20,500 inc Metalic.
Jonathan[/quote]
Sorry It was at least £21,000. When I tried to get a discount they simply said "no chance", but they could throw in the wrx mats free!!!
Great...
My car cost just over 15,000 including the 3 year warranty and metallic.
So I would say that was £6000 more or less. And I don't imagine anyone would seriously pay £6000 for a "superior" standard of service!
<B>Few points
£6000 saving !!. How many people on here have imported a FULL UK SPECIFICATION with 3 YEARS WARRANTY and ROADSIDE RECOVERY for £14,500 inc Metalic Paint ?. A UK WRX from your local I dealer should cost £20,500 inc Metalic.
Jonathan[/quote]
Sorry It was at least £21,000. When I tried to get a discount they simply said "no chance", but they could throw in the wrx mats free!!!
Great...
My car cost just over 15,000 including the 3 year warranty and metallic.
So I would say that was £6000 more or less. And I don't imagine anyone would seriously pay £6000 for a "superior" standard of service!
30 August 2001, 09:10 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
<B>£6000 saving !!. How many people on here have imported a FULL UK SPECIFICATION with 3 YEARS WARRANTY and ROADSIDE RECOVERY for £14,500 inc Metalic Paint ?. A UK WRX from your local I dealer should cost £20,500 inc Metalic.[/quote]
ME!!!!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>Why do IM need to start servicing grey imports.[/quote]
They don't as they are Jap imports
. However, cars brought in from other EU countries should be treated equally (as EU law dictates). The law says that it shouldn't matter where you buy a product in the EU, you should be treated equally regardless 
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>If IM change their stance I for one will not be happy, as it de values my car.[/quote]
Why? I can't see how?? Your car will (presumably) be worth more (in the 1st three years at least) due to the IM backed warranty which imports won't have but after that I don't see that there will be much difference...
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>As Jack says if everyone took the Import route, there would be no official service for Euro Imports.[/quote]
Seems to me that if everybody <I>did</I> take the import route then that would force IM to start treating imports more seriously as they would not have any business otherwise.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>I'm not anti import, but please if you import expect less as you deserve less for not supporting the UK.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE></B>
You could have fooled me Why should you expect less if you buy an import - why should I support a UK company which is ripping off it's own franchised dealers with every single car they sell???? 
If IM were to reduce the ridiculous price they charge their dealers for the cars, the dealers would be able to compete with Europe and there would be no need for an anti-import stance!!! They would make more money, the dealers would make more money and people in this country would not have a reason to shop outside this country.
I always try and put my business the way of British companies but refuse to line the coffers of a company that treats it's customers with such disdain (how many threads are there on this BBS of UK customers with UK cars very angry with the way that IM have treated them? ).
Matt
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<B>£6000 saving !!. How many people on here have imported a FULL UK SPECIFICATION with 3 YEARS WARRANTY and ROADSIDE RECOVERY for £14,500 inc Metalic Paint ?. A UK WRX from your local I dealer should cost £20,500 inc Metalic.[/quote]
ME!!!!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>Why do IM need to start servicing grey imports.[/quote]
They don't as they are Jap imports
. However, cars brought in from other EU countries should be treated equally (as EU law dictates). The law says that it shouldn't matter where you buy a product in the EU, you should be treated equally regardless .<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>If IM change their stance I for one will not be happy, as it de values my car.[/quote]
Why? I can't see how?? Your car will (presumably) be worth more (in the 1st three years at least) due to the IM backed warranty which imports won't have but after that I don't see that there will be much difference...
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>As Jack says if everyone took the Import route, there would be no official service for Euro Imports.[/quote]
Seems to me that if everybody <I>did</I> take the import route then that would force IM to start treating imports more seriously as they would not have any business otherwise.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>I'm not anti import, but please if you import expect less as you deserve less for not supporting the UK.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE></B>
You could have fooled me
Why should you expect less if you buy an import - why should I support a UK company which is ripping off it's own franchised dealers with every single car they sell???? If IM were to reduce the ridiculous price they charge their dealers for the cars, the dealers would be able to compete with Europe and there would be no need for an anti-import stance!!! They would make more money, the dealers would make more money and people in this country would not have a reason to shop outside this country.I always try and put my business the way of British companies but refuse to line the coffers of a company that treats it's customers with such disdain (how many threads are there on this BBS of UK customers with UK cars very angry with the way that IM have treated them?
).Matt
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30 August 2001, 09:26 AM
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Chins,
Having just looked at the figures, i paid 17,800 for my MY01. Compared to about 23,500 (including all the options), which is just about £6K. (I can prove these figures as i have the recipt from the VAT man)
For that i got the most pleasurable buying experience i've ever had. Compared to the way that i've been treated by UK sales staff.
Personally i's happily pay more for the Dutch experience.
Why are you prepared to pay more for less ? Haven't you ever wondered why pre-Tax prices in Europe vary so much ? Is it the cost of doing business in the UK is that much higher? Possibly it is, but not that much. One day it will be cheaper here. Yes that will devalue your investment but your next car will be cheaper. And when you pay less, thank people like me for having been prepared to take a little hassle for a big reward for all.
Andy
Having just looked at the figures, i paid 17,800 for my MY01. Compared to about 23,500 (including all the options), which is just about £6K. (I can prove these figures as i have the recipt from the VAT man
)For that i got the most pleasurable buying experience i've ever had. Compared to the way that i've been treated by UK sales staff.
Personally i's happily pay more for the Dutch experience.
Why are you prepared to pay more for less ? Haven't you ever wondered why pre-Tax prices in Europe vary so much ? Is it the cost of doing business in the UK is that much higher? Possibly it is, but not that much. One day it will be cheaper here. Yes that will devalue your investment but your next car will be cheaper. And when you pay less, thank people like me for having been prepared to take a little hassle for a big reward for all.
Andy
30 August 2001, 09:49 AM
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2.0 WRX 4-dr - bucket seats
Price in Euros 20,791
Price in pounds 12,804
VAT 2,241
Delivery 395
Import agent cost 195
Registration + tax 180
Total price 15,830
UK price 21,745 + options.
Saving 5,930
Nathan..
Btw, Got mine on Tuesday. This is what I paid + Cat 1 alarm. So around 5550 saving. Very, very happy.
Edited cos I missed the saving off.
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2.0 WRX 4-dr - bucket seats
Price in Euros 20,791
Price in pounds 12,804
VAT 2,241
Delivery 395
Import agent cost 195
Registration + tax 180
Total price 15,830
UK price 21,745 + options.
Saving 5,930
Nathan..
Btw, Got mine on Tuesday. This is what I paid + Cat 1 alarm. So around 5550 saving. Very, very happy.
Edited cos I missed the saving off.
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30 August 2001, 02:08 PM
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>>So far it is and I'm most likley going to keep the car for 3 years so plenty more to come.
Well, I paid 6K less for my MY00 than the UK price (dealer wasn't offering any discounts) and I get excellent service from my dealer (Adams, Aylesbury)- the service manager even said I'd done a very sensible thing.
The margin on new cars is tiny (for the dealers) - they make the money from servicing etc, so they'll be as nice to me as they are to you.
I've decided to pay for my 2nd year's warranty - and the company is willing to discuss modifications with me to determine if they will affect the warranty.
Nick
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>>So far it is and I'm most likley going to keep the car for 3 years so plenty more to come.
Well, I paid 6K less for my MY00 than the UK price (dealer wasn't offering any discounts) and I get excellent service from my dealer (Adams, Aylesbury)- the service manager even said I'd done a very sensible thing.
The margin on new cars is tiny (for the dealers) - they make the money from servicing etc, so they'll be as nice to me as they are to you.
I've decided to pay for my 2nd year's warranty - and the company is willing to discuss modifications with me to determine if they will affect the warranty.
Nick
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30 August 2001, 06:45 PM
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Hi Nathan,
These prices have now changed - unfortunately !!
Orders placed now will be for the MY02 version which has attracted a price increase in Belgium.
The price now stands at 21,963 Euros.
On top of this, the Euro has strengthened and as of today was at 1.50 to the pound.
Also, you missed out the cost of number plates.
My figures are as follows :
Belgian Price = EUR21,963
Exchange Rate @1.59 = £13,813
VAT = £2,417
Delivery Costs £395
Reg'n Costs = £195 (Road Tax:155/First Reg:25/Plates:15)
Agency Fee = £195
Sub-Total £17,015
Cat 1 Alarm = £330
Grand Total : £17,345
UK list (2001 model) £21,745
Saving £4,400
You were lucky to get the price you got !!
Regards,
Scooby Spy
These prices have now changed - unfortunately !!
Orders placed now will be for the MY02 version which has attracted a price increase in Belgium.
The price now stands at 21,963 Euros.
On top of this, the Euro has strengthened and as of today was at 1.50 to the pound.
Also, you missed out the cost of number plates.
My figures are as follows :
Belgian Price = EUR21,963
Exchange Rate @1.59 = £13,813
VAT = £2,417
Delivery Costs £395
Reg'n Costs = £195 (Road Tax:155/First Reg:25/Plates:15)
Agency Fee = £195
Sub-Total £17,015
Cat 1 Alarm = £330
Grand Total : £17,345
UK list (2001 model) £21,745
Saving £4,400
You were lucky to get the price you got !!
Regards,
Scooby Spy
30 August 2001, 07:45 PM
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Who are ya then ? Seems like you have a lot of knowledge on the subject
Who mentioned Belgium ? Not me
Nathan
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Who are ya then ? Seems like you have a lot of knowledge on the subject
Who mentioned Belgium ? Not me
Nathan
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Hi Nathan,
I don't know who you think I am,but I'm not.
The reason I know is that I have been looking into getting one.
The quote you see is one e-mailed to me from Mark at Keyring Cars.
When I first enquired back in mid-July it was working out to about £16,100, but since then the price has gone up and the Exchange Rate has become worse.
Personally, I may wait and see if the X-rate becomes more favourable. To get back to my spending limit of approx £16,000 the rate needs to go to 1.70 Euros !!
I guess I'll have to wait.
Scooby Spy
I don't know who you think I am,but I'm not.
The reason I know is that I have been looking into getting one.
The quote you see is one e-mailed to me from Mark at Keyring Cars.
When I first enquired back in mid-July it was working out to about £16,100, but since then the price has gone up and the Exchange Rate has become worse.
Personally, I may wait and see if the X-rate becomes more favourable. To get back to my spending limit of approx £16,000 the rate needs to go to 1.70 Euros !!
I guess I'll have to wait.
Scooby Spy
30 August 2001, 10:12 PM
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I looked at the Keyring-Cars site and the figures quoted on the site would appear out of date then.
My mistake
BTW I used Keyring to get my MY01, the service was excellent.
Oh and that price doesn't include locking wheelnuts (18.50).
Regards
Nathan..
I looked at the Keyring-Cars site and the figures quoted on the site would appear out of date then.
My mistake
BTW I used Keyring to get my MY01, the service was excellent.
Oh and that price doesn't include locking wheelnuts (18.50).
Regards
Nathan..
30 August 2001, 11:21 PM
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Scooby Spy - are you in the employ of IM ?
Your posts are rabidly pro- IM.
Seems like you do not read the reports from the DTi.
You must be an IM agent, or a ****.
Take a ****ing hike *******.
The Saint
Your posts are rabidly pro- IM.
Seems like you do not read the reports from the DTi.
You must be an IM agent, or a ****.
Take a ****ing hike *******.
The Saint
30 August 2001, 11:56 PM
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Just to add my ha'porth:
Why do IM need to actively hinder service for EU import cars - if they provided a good service to UK cars then I could see a reason for paying a bit extra (well, not £4.4k!)
But actively moving PPP orders for EU imports down the list is completely out of order - they make the same profit for both (poss more if they start denying warranty claims because of it).
Aren't warranties obliged to be pan-Euro for their first year by law? IM support the 2nd & 3rd year themselves for UK cars, so with an import I'd never expect to be able to use it. But buy an indepent warranty insurance for a few £00's - still worth the import saving, and probably no more arguing over cover than with IM!
S
Why do IM need to actively hinder service for EU import cars - if they provided a good service to UK cars then I could see a reason for paying a bit extra (well, not £4.4k!)
But actively moving PPP orders for EU imports down the list is completely out of order - they make the same profit for both (poss more if they start denying warranty claims because of it).
Aren't warranties obliged to be pan-Euro for their first year by law? IM support the 2nd & 3rd year themselves for UK cars, so with an import I'd never expect to be able to use it. But buy an indepent warranty insurance for a few £00's - still worth the import saving, and probably no more arguing over cover than with IM!
S
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
<B>How do people that go to the lengths of importing a car from Europe not realise the discounts available?.[/quote]
Because £4000-£6000 is a significant saving!!!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>If your local dealer said no and you left it at that !!. Maybe the dealers read the buying signs correctly and know that whatever price they gave would not be good enough.[/quote]
Or maybe the dealer can't afford to discount it as due to the cost of the car from IM, they hardly make any money on it at full RRP anyway....
One of the dealers I spoke to became so rude when I asked if he could discount the price to get closer to the price I could get in Europe that that was effectively the end of me <I>ever</I> doing business with that dealer again!!!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>IM do not need to reduce their prices. They see to sell enough cars still. With no import restrictions more are coming in and being sold.[/quote]
Obviously they do if a large number of people are going to Europe to buy their cars. The dealer I used is a very small dealer in Rotterdam but he sells about 150 Scoobs per year into the UK. That's just one small dealer - if you think about how many big dealers there are in Holland and Belgium alone selling into this country, that has got to add up to a couple of thousand cars per year at least!!!
That's a couple of thousand cars per year that IM could be making money on if only they dropped their price a little (not 20% but perhaps 5-10% would be enough to make the gain of going to Europe not worth the bother?)???
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>The demand is not there. Sell less at a bigger profit is the way to go.[/quote]
See my above comment on that one...
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>Gone are the days when my dealer got 20 cars a year. They do that in just over a month.[/quote]
Well your dealer would appear to be either bigger or more successful than many - I know of a dealer who has been allocated only 2 Legacy H6 3.0's this year - they could sell plenty more if they had the allocation...
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>The WRX is still one of the best priced cars on the market.[/quote]
Agreed I just think that your "Imports are 2nd class" and "you turned your back on UK business" are a bit hard to swallow given the facts and evidence that people are providing.
It's a (supposedly) free market and you can't expect IM to like it - I wouldn't in their shoes - but it is the law and they should abide by that. The way it's going, it seems to me that soon there will be very little advantage to having the "full UK support" that IM are supposed to offer (look at all the other anti-IM threads on this BBS!!)
Matt
<B>How do people that go to the lengths of importing a car from Europe not realise the discounts available?.[/quote]
Because £4000-£6000 is a significant saving!!!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>If your local dealer said no and you left it at that !!. Maybe the dealers read the buying signs correctly and know that whatever price they gave would not be good enough.[/quote]
Or maybe the dealer can't afford to discount it as due to the cost of the car from IM, they hardly make any money on it at full RRP anyway....
One of the dealers I spoke to became so rude when I asked if he could discount the price to get closer to the price I could get in Europe that that was effectively the end of me <I>ever</I> doing business with that dealer again!!! <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>IM do not need to reduce their prices. They see to sell enough cars still. With no import restrictions more are coming in and being sold.[/quote]
Obviously they do if a large number of people are going to Europe to buy their cars. The dealer I used is a very small dealer in Rotterdam but he sells about 150 Scoobs per year into the UK. That's just one small dealer - if you think about how many big dealers there are in Holland and Belgium alone selling into this country, that has got to add up to a couple of thousand cars per year at least!!!
That's a couple of thousand cars per year that IM could be making money on if only they dropped their price a little (not 20% but perhaps 5-10% would be enough to make the gain of going to Europe not worth the bother?)???
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>The demand is not there. Sell less at a bigger profit is the way to go.[/quote]
See my above comment on that one...
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>Gone are the days when my dealer got 20 cars a year. They do that in just over a month.[/quote]
Well your dealer would appear to be either bigger or more successful than many - I know of a dealer who has been allocated only 2 Legacy H6 3.0's this year
- they could sell plenty more if they had the allocation... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>The WRX is still one of the best priced cars on the market.[/quote]
Agreed
I just think that your "Imports are 2nd class" and "you turned your back on UK business" are a bit hard to swallow given the facts and evidence that people are providing.It's a (supposedly) free market and you can't expect IM to like it - I wouldn't in their shoes - but it is the law and they should abide by that. The way it's going, it seems to me that soon there will be very little advantage to having the "full UK support" that IM are supposed to offer (look at all the other anti-IM threads on this BBS!!)
Matt
15 October 2001, 05:22 PM
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I have just got my MY01 from belgium. What's the position with IM because there is a lot of "i'm wating to here" but no defininative answer. By the way how easy is it for someone to fit link and set it up etc... and what does this lambda and knock bit do?
15 October 2001, 06:50 PM
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Good point Fizz,
Orbv you must be close to taking delivery of your MY02, what a month or so to go, did you get something in writing from IM on the PPP or did they just forget about you. Did you have sucess with your dealer?
Orbv you must be close to taking delivery of your MY02, what a month or so to go, did you get something in writing from IM on the PPP or did they just forget about you. Did you have sucess with your dealer?
16 October 2001, 07:27 AM
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Has anyone managed to find a way round this PPP situation? Other than to buy a U.K car.
I dont want to risk losing my warranty within the first year. Knowing my luck if I did the car would die on me and cost a fortune.
Nathan..
I dont want to risk losing my warranty within the first year. Knowing my luck if I did the car would die on me and cost a fortune.
Nathan..
16 October 2001, 08:52 AM
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IM/Prodrive cannot refuse to fit PPP to a Euro import or put them to the back of the queue behind all UK cars. Tnis would go against European law under unfair trradung practices and would eventually land them with juge fines.
If Prodrive treat you unfairly, report them to the DOT. They will make enquiries and if theu agree will take action.
The warrentu situation however is perfectly reasonable. PPP will invalidate your engine cover on Euro imports.
If Prodrive treat you unfairly, report them to the DOT. They will make enquiries and if theu agree will take action.
The warrentu situation however is perfectly reasonable. PPP will invalidate your engine cover on Euro imports.
16 October 2001, 09:19 AM
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Orwella
I dont really want to take this thread down a "is it right or wrong" route again but would you not agree that the following would go against European law under unfair trading practices
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UK car : PPP will not invalidate your engine cover.
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EURO car : PPP will invalidate your engine cover.
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The warranty for both is pan european.
I dont really want to take this thread down a "is it right or wrong" route again but would you not agree that the following would go against European law under unfair trading practices
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UK car : PPP will not invalidate your engine cover.
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EURO car : PPP will invalidate your engine cover.
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The warranty for both is pan european.
16 October 2001, 09:54 AM
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Hmmm....
Im gonna have to stick my neck out here and point out that all the people who imported cars were very pleased to point out how much money they saved (over people like me), and are now bitching that they are loosing warrenties / struggling to get a PPP etc .
Well im sorry import car owners, but TOUGH. Thats the price YOU pay for getting your cars so cheap.. so stop bitchin!!!
If you want a hassle free warrenty buy in the UK and place the vaseline up your botty ready for the sting when you realise how f**ked over you get by buying at a premium for the privelage
Jza
Im gonna have to stick my neck out here and point out that all the people who imported cars were very pleased to point out how much money they saved (over people like me), and are now bitching that they are loosing warrenties / struggling to get a PPP etc .
Well im sorry import car owners, but TOUGH. Thats the price YOU pay for getting your cars so cheap.. so stop bitchin!!!
If you want a hassle free warrenty buy in the UK and place the vaseline up your botty ready for the sting when you realise how f**ked over you get by buying at a premium for the privelage
Jza
16 October 2001, 10:06 AM
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boultsy,
It is up to the Dutch and Belgium importers to decide what is covered under their warrenty - I doubt very much they will accept PPP as they will see it as just another mod. If you read any Suabura owners manual it will state that modifications will invalidate your warrenty.
The one year warrenty yuu get with all Scoobs is a basic Subaru manufacturers cover. The extra bits you get from place to place are country specific.
IM have an agreement with Prodrive to cover parts for UK PPP'd cars. This is specific to the UK in the same way UK cars get 3 years roadside assistance.
My advice to import owners would be to wait until your car is 1 year old and then PPP it. As I have said before Prodrive cannot refuse to sell it to you and they cannot let UK owners jump the queue infront of you.
It is up to the Dutch and Belgium importers to decide what is covered under their warrenty - I doubt very much they will accept PPP as they will see it as just another mod. If you read any Suabura owners manual it will state that modifications will invalidate your warrenty.
The one year warrenty yuu get with all Scoobs is a basic Subaru manufacturers cover. The extra bits you get from place to place are country specific.
IM have an agreement with Prodrive to cover parts for UK PPP'd cars. This is specific to the UK in the same way UK cars get 3 years roadside assistance.
My advice to import owners would be to wait until your car is 1 year old and then PPP it. As I have said before Prodrive cannot refuse to sell it to you and they cannot let UK owners jump the queue infront of you.
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