W9GTR

MY01 Fugly?
I don't think so. I have the five door and in my opinion old shape 5 doors look quite bland in comparison. Biased? Probably...but I honestly think the car looks great, oh.. and I also own an R34 GTR VSPEC (in case anyone doesn't know) which looks better than any Scoob

Flames Flames Flames..............
Steve

haynesaj

I actually prefer the looks of the new car, especially from the rear quarter and sides. While the head-lights are not the best looking in the world, it does not bother me that much as I didn't buy it for its looks (until that is I read countless messages on Scoobynet..the constant hammering wears you down after a while and starts to make you doubt).

All non-Impreza owners or Scoobynet members I have spoken to have actually remarked how "good" the car looks.

Anyway, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

As for performance, well I managed to out accelerate and match the handling of a £38,000 Porsche Boxster S in it the other day!..and he was definetly trying his hardest. My only mod is the Prodrive backbox and ITG airfilter.

Personally, I'm glad I went with the MY01, rather than the last of the old models.

RobJenks

After reading another comparison in the October edition of MOTOR here in Oz - The My01 has lost out to the Nissan 200sx by a mile.
Evo vi absolutely stole it from everything else -Decision made for me !
This new WRX is a pudding -It looks crap and performance is down. You can pick them up at a discount in any colour immediately.
I waited 6 months for my MY99 and no colour choice!
I think that tells the story .

Neil Smalley

This kinda of debate reminds me of when a mate of mine joined the MR2 drivers club. It was about the same time as the Mk2 MR2 came out.

The arguments were the same, slower, less involving; but better interior and build quality etc.

Personally I remain to be 100% convinced that the performance of the new model is the same as the old. I don't particually want to spend 1600 quid on a MY01 PPP to end up with a slower car when I change mine in a year or so.

If you spend the extra on them, the MY01 can look superb and easily match a MK1 performance wise. Dave and Carolyn's TS's, and Dr Evil's MY01 look awesome for example.

The basic question I still want answered in my own mind is.

Why should I have to pay 3-4K extra on top of a car to get the same level of performance as already have, and to make it look anything like reasonable?

By the time I get to change my car, nearly new Evo 7's will be at 25-28K, Rover will have the 375Bhp 75 out, and the M3 will be around 32K(right at the limit, but not outside of) my price range.

My one hope is that in a year or so's time Subaru will fit the 250Bhp Japanese spec engine to the MY01, alter the looks of the front of the car and do something servcing of imports.

Seeing as how the MY01 has sold(I.e Not a lot ) one would hope they would listen to the people who buy them.

Don't get me wrong, the MY01 is an awesome car, just that, to me, at this moment in time it's not awesome enough unless you spend loads on extras. After all dealers get more money from extras than they do cars, and cynically thinking I suspect that was aim of the design all along.

If I had to spend 22K on a brand new 4/5 door performance car, then the MY01 is about the only choice there is, just don't expecting the supercar slaying pace and manic power of the old one. The Impreza is now a car for grown ups, not for the playstation generation.

I'll leave it up to you to decide which one you are..

[This message has been edited by Neil Smalley (edited 08 September 2001).]

chrisp

Well said Neil, I a totally agree. I had a UK 98 turbo and wanted to swop. I waited for the MY01 and wasnt keen IMHO with the looks or engine specs. If the MY01 had appeared with 240 bhp I would have signed at the motorshow and then PPP-ed to 260 .

I am sure that the chassis and handling have been improved but its a shame the engine power wasnt uprated to match the extra bodyweight. On paper power to weight it is a step backwards. I couldnt see an advantage upgrading to a UK MY00 as it wasnt much different from my MY98. So I went for a brand new import (MY00 RA) with 220+bhp per ton (MY01 158 bhp/ton). Price wasnt a factor as the import cost me more than an MY01+PPP.

It looks like most MY01s will be PPP-ed just to regain the lost power to weight of a standard MY00. This is wrong IMHO for an evolution of a performance car.

I cant remember seeing many MY01 dyno graphs compared to pre MY01 cars on the same day on the same rollers .

A lot of MY01 owners are saying, "Go and drive a MY01" sure but "MY01 owners go and drive an MY00 STi". You may understand where we are coming from .

cheers

chrisp

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Chins

Ive got my 6th Scooby sat outside and it certainly is the best so far. Like two other prominent members of this BBS I have upgraded from a P1 to a MY01.

Recently I was given a MY99 WR to have for the day. IMHO I would never want to have to drive the old model again. Its only when you step back in time do you see how poor the old car is compared to the new.

Power wise I think some people that really believe that the old shape runs rings around the new need to see a specialist. In fact my MY01 with PPP felt the equal of an old shape MY99 PPP.

What the new shape does need is more power. Where the old shape had enough for its ageing chassis the new one can cope with loads more. Its was amazing how much quicker the old shape loses composure and understeers compared to the new one. Nothing to do with me getting old, but chassis dynamics have moved on and the old shape needs consigning to the skip.

Looks wise the new shape looks a lot fresher. the people that think it doesnt probably shop at Top Man or Burtons, so their opinions are tainted by bad taste in the first place.

Jonathan

Tiggs

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
<B>Ive got my 6th Scooby sat outside and it certainly is the best so far.

I have upgraded from a P1 to a MY01.
[/quote]


is any of this sinking in to lod shape owners with a MY01 hatred???

Tiggs (MY01 ppp 7,000miles, bloody fast)

DavidBrown

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tiggs:
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is any of this sinking in to old shape owners with a MY01 hatred???

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No, but keep trying..

bob

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tiggs:
<B>Ive got my 6th Scooby sat outside and it certainly is the best so far. Like two other prominent members of this BBS I have upgraded from a P1 to a MY01.
[/quote]

P1 to a MY01 is not an upgrade I tested a MY01 not long back no comparison to P1. I am getting to like the MY01 but it do need 4-6 grand spent on it and 260-280 bhp to keep it up with the likes of the Nissan 200.



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RB5SCOTT

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
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Power wise I think some people that really believe that the old shape runs rings around the new need to see a specialist. In fact my MY01 with PPP felt the equal of an old shape MY99 PPP.

What the new shape does need is more power. Where the old shape had enough for its ageing chassis the new one can cope with loads more. Its was amazing how much quicker the old shape loses composure and understeers compared to the new one. Nothing to do with me getting old, but chassis dynamics have moved on and the old shape needs consigning to the skip.

Looks wise the new shape looks a lot fresher. the people that think it doesnt probably shop at Top Man or Burtons, so their opinions are tainted by bad taste in the first place.

Jonathan[/quote]



I could'nt agree more Jonathan

Scott

matt d

MY01 or 1 year old P1/Evo VI - lol what a tough choice.

Mike Owen

RB5...

I too tend to agree with your comments. My wish list for the MY02 would be:-

- Lower by about 30mm & slightly firmer.
- More weight through the steering. Point one might address that slightly by lowering the centre of gravity (maybe!).
- Sort headlights out, or at least offer the pod style lights as a "no cost option".
- Bigger spoiler (just have to!).
- About another 20/25 BHP.

I know that I could do all of these things "now". But as I only tend to keep cars 18 months (high miles)... I would rather it was "out of the box".

After 8 months ownership of an MY01... would I buy another Impreza turbo! The honest answer would have to be "no". Not unless some of the above points are addressed. The car is just not special enough any longer. Especialy with any number of "interesting" new cars out there (Focus RS anyone?).

O'hum... maybe Impreza no. 3 was one to many!?

Like the car... but it just aint special enough.

Have fun folks.

bug-eyed wonder

- Lower by about 30mm & slightly firmer.
- More weight through the steering. Point one might address that slightly by lowering the centre of gravity (maybe!).
- Sort headlights out, or at least offer the pod style lights as a "no cost option".
- Bigger spoiler (just have to!).
- About another 20/25 BHP.

I know that I could do all of these things "now". But as I only tend to keep cars 18 months (high miles)... I would rather it was "out of the box"

All good negative points! but IMHO better build quality and having a "new" car is better than striving to perfect a car that was about 7 year old but had gradually evolved. Definately looking forward to test driving a Focus RS, but in the meantime happy with MY01 which is about to have the few short comings sorted out.

JackClark

The MY01 5 door is the best car I have owned.

As for looks, one girlfriend thought my MY98 4 door was a Hyundai Accent.

Morettes suck!

spudgun

IMHO.....

i will wait. when the first impreza turbo was launched it had terrible seats, big laggy turbo(but fun )and a 'softer' face.
basically after a few years it got a power hike to 215bhp, was considered more responsive, better seats, and a mildly(but meaner) facelift.
the new my01 is gruesome, slow and apparently the steering's not all that.
hopefully subaru will address these niggles (in particular the looks) and in a couple of years i may buy a new shape impreza.
i am not impressed by the performance figures of the bug eye. it seems a lot of new cars are gonna give this thing a run for its money, and wont be as damn ugly.
a bog standard my01 is around 20k. i can think of a lot of cars i'd rather spend that on before i'd lumbar myself with that ugly thing.

DavidBrown

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
<B>Looks wise the new shape looks a lot fresher. the people that think it doesnt probably shop at Top Man or Burtons, so their opinions are tainted by bad taste in the first place.[/quote]

ROFL.. hahahah.. (wipes tears from eyes)

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I can see the headline now:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>MY01 owner in taste delusion shocker[/quote]

scoobynutta555

How on earth can some1 say they have "upgraded" from a P1 to a goggle eyed my01. The mind goggles

Given the choice of a nearly new p1 or a my01 who in their right mind would rather have the my01????????

Chins

Maybe Rum, Dr Evil and myself need certifiying

Have to agree that look crap.

chrisp

What I cant still understand is MY01 owners saying they are the best thing since sliced bread in one thread and then complain on another about not being able to get a PPP ( I can post links if you want ). Surely if its such a great car why do you need the PPP.

Another qustion is how come the pre 01 model use to be top of all the group tests and now the 01 seems to be at the bottom end. Perhaps the evolution wasnt good enough comapred with the competion ? It lost out to a clio on the big EVO mag test.

Also 3 owners out of 7000 members isnt a large amount .

Chins

Chrisp

I think you'll find the old model needed a PPP as well. Certainly the ones I owned felt crap without them. My std MY00 is easily the worst Impreza I have owned. Looked crap with a crap std spec and felt slower than my wifes Leon.

No PPP has ever been released at the same time as model upgrades. Remember the wait for Prodrive to PPP the MY99 after introduction of the Phase II.

Went back to back on the Rolling Road with a MY00 the other day. MY00 had ITG and SS backbox.

MY00 208bhp and 208lbft 18000 miles
MY01 PPP 238bhp and 228lbft. 3000 miles

My old P1 with exhaust mods on the same Rollers 260bhp and 236lbft.

Jonathan

chrisp

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
<B>
MY00 208bhp and 208lbft 18000 miles
MY01 PPP 238bhp and 228lbft. 3000 miles

My old P1 with exhaust mods on the same Rollers 260bhp and 236lbft.

Jonathan[/quote]

Using your figures :

MY00(non PPP) : (1018/1235)*208 = 171 bhp/ton
MY01(WITH PPP): (1018/1385)*238 = 175 bhp/ton

The MY00 seems a little down about 7 bhp on standard. So assuming the rollers are 7 bhp inaccurate or due to climate etc. and we add 7 to both :

MY00(non PPP) - (1018/1235)*215 = 177 bhp/ton
MY01(WITH PPP)- (1018/1385)*245 = 180 bhp/ton

Thats pretty close IMHO for a non PPP MY00 and a PPP MY01 which was the point we were trying to make (I think).

cheers

chrisp


PS. Just for fun I worked my MY00 RA out against a P1. From what I have read an RA is about 1200 kgs but mine has some kit put back (stereo, aircon,electric pack) in so call it 1235kgs . We will assume they both have 276 bhp as well and running SUL+OB.

MY00 RA -(1018/1235)*276 = 227 bhp/ton
MY00 P1 -(1018/1283)*276 = 219 bhp/ton

Obviously my import is not running full Japanese spec fuel but as you dyno suggests the P1 is altered and running more like 260.

Both running 260 :

MY00 RA -(1018/1235)*260 = 214 bhp/ton
MY00 P1 -(1018/1283)*260 = 206 bhp/ton

My head hurts now



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Chins

Chrisp

Nice theory, however follow the link for a std STI V on the same rollers. Tested around the same time as my P1. Infact the P1 has more torque than your std import !!

bob

Jonathan/
You are picking numbers out the air again.
You pick an underpowered MY00 car as an example. Then Floyd’s car as an example, even Floyd admits his car is the lowest powered Impreza in the world.
You may use my 307 BHP for my P1 with just exhaust mods if you want. What BHP did you get at PE?

Jza

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by chrisp:
<B>What I cant still understand is MY01 owners saying they are the best thing since sliced bread in one thread and then complain on another about not being able to get a PPP ( I can post links if you want ). Surely if its such a great car why do you need the PPP.
[/quote]

Thats a bit of a stupid argument Chris.....

I've wanted a PPP before i ordered the car - to be told at the time (October last year) it would be ready in Febuary.....

So the fact that we've all been pissed off waiting has absolutely nothing to do with how good the MY01 is.

I love my car - its great. Ive driven behind a good few STI's and modded UK's with all the trimmings, and the owners would agree that there is little difference in performance between thier cars and my TOTALY STANDARD MY01.

I'm afraid people who quote BHP and relate that to how good a car is are sadly missing the point. Its a combination of Power, handling and refinement that makes the MY01 in my opinion a better car than the old shape.

As to the mods we MY01 owners want.... surely you want the best possible for your own car dont you... I've never seen a totally standard MY0~ at any meet!!!!

The chassis of the MY01 is fantastic - if you want better handling fit 18" wheels (note we get 17" as standard!!) and get some LEDA!!! The great Pete Croney describes his MY01 as the best handling car he's driven. I value his opinion above those of the "but the old car had a better power to weight ratio" brigade.

The main issue that people have is with the looks. Fine. I prefer a boxer dog to a poodle any day. It doesnt drive any better if it looks better does it... or is your opinion of a car that it needs to "look good" to be good.

A morette and new spoiler seems to do the trick for most people... personally i dont care what it looks like, i bought it for the driving experience

Jza

scoobynutta555

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jza:
<B> The great Pete Croney describes his MY01 as the best handling car he's driven. I value his opinion above those of the "but the old car had a better power to weight ratio" brigade.


[/quote]
I hate to break up the party but I just cannot believe that quote. If it is true then this Pete cant have driven many good cars.

Even i wouldnt say that my P1 is the best handling car ive been in.( And i dont come near "great" status!!) I would say that although subarus have always been great cars, in purely handling terms they cannot compete with cars specifically designed for handling capabilities, ie lotus Elise to name just one car. The impreza has always been renouned for its grip not necessarily its handling.

And are we led to belive Petes car is standard or has he improved perfection by sticking on 18" wheels and Leda?

And exactly what sti and uk imprezas "with all the trimmings" owners will confirm that their cars are little different performance wise to a standard goggle eye! You have got to be joking!

PSI3

scoobynutta555,
Do a bit a research, Pete Croney owns ScoobySport and is Chairman of the SIDC, so he should know if a Subaru handles well or not, if you don't like the MY01 don't buy one, i did after trying other pre MY01 impreza's and love it, but i don't keep going on about how bad the interior was in the old shape or how they seem to suffer from hesitation etc.........

Tiggs

PCB,

you don't need to keep going on because, like most MY01 owners, you're content with your car.

in fact, what would happen if every time a post went up about a pre MY01 on any subject some MY01 owner jumped in and slagged the car off!

Tiggs

Jza

Scooby555Whatsaface:

Quote from Scoobysport's own website (about the WRX MY01 + leda):

"The final product creates the best handling Impreza we have ever driven. Grip is in a class unknown outside motorsport, whilst "turn in" and mid corner balance are at levels that Impreza drivers have only dreamt of."

A bit of Leda and an MY01 goes a long way....

Please feel free to pucker up those rosy lips up and kiss ma **** babeeee!!



On the subject of the "other" owners - i recommend you come to a midlands meet and i'll follow you and you can try and lose me if you like .

I didnt claim i was faster - just that power is all relative in the real world - as is handling. I can keep up with much more powerful cars!!!

So im saying to you that just because your car has x% more power and weighs x% less, you would be surprised how little difference their is on the open road. Don't believe everything you read mate

MY01 is a cracking car - made even better by similar mods to the ones MY0~ owners would naturaly have added. Shame MY0~ such as yourselves cant just let live and accept that both types of cars are crackers!!!!

You'll buy one one day and then the lord will strike you down......

Jza

[This message has been edited by Jza (edited 10 September 2001).]

Nathan L

LOL at Jza

Pete_UK99

I'm not going to put down the old Impreza because to be honest I like the look of it. And I've never owned an old shape so can't compare on performance.
I would say the old one did have a better face especially the P1. But the rear is so much better on the new shape and the wider arches are very nice. As for performance again I can't compare. But I took my 300 out yesterday just to see what it was like from 0-100. I know people said of the old shape that after 80 mph it would start to lag a bit. I really can't say this of the 300, ok it's ppp'd but after 60 that needle just kept going up very very quickly. I'm very happy and the amount of people I get commenting on how good the lights look.

As so many have already said if you don't like the car don't buy it!