Pectel Engine Management system
28 October 2002, 01:22 PM
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Dark Blue Mark,
some people want to stick with the impreza/evo because it has advantages that a skyline will be hard pressed to match, namely weight.
I love the RB26 as an engine, but it is a rev monster, aimed at high power, and best suited to high speed circuits and drag racing.
beauty of impreza and evo is the torque they can produce, which is more suited for rally car type purposes.
Skyline is an A road car, not a B road.
Have to decide what kind of roads you live near/enjoy the most, before moving on to a different car. Its quite a drastic jump.
Its however upsetting, how easy it is to get 450+bhp from a skyline compared with an evo/impreza.
but then 450+bhp in an impreza would be very very entertaining, by comparison.
John, no offence but I would not trust an off the shelf map for anything, imprezas vary far too much one people put different mods on.
nor would I suggest that people would get mapping done at power engineering unless merv is doing it. Not a fan of the phase one. No problem with the teks though!
cant remember what car and hence turbo r.b.5 has, and cant be bothered to scroll back and look.
If you want an uprated turbo for handling your increased power, speak with mark aigin a la lateral performance. if you want a fuel pump (you do) speak to lateral performance.
btw. david wallis, heard about your power figure, and more importantly your torque. nice one! damned impressive!
some people want to stick with the impreza/evo because it has advantages that a skyline will be hard pressed to match, namely weight.
I love the RB26 as an engine, but it is a rev monster, aimed at high power, and best suited to high speed circuits and drag racing.
beauty of impreza and evo is the torque they can produce, which is more suited for rally car type purposes.
Skyline is an A road car, not a B road.
Have to decide what kind of roads you live near/enjoy the most, before moving on to a different car. Its quite a drastic jump.
Its however upsetting, how easy it is to get 450+bhp from a skyline compared with an evo/impreza.
but then 450+bhp in an impreza would be very very entertaining, by comparison.
John, no offence but I would not trust an off the shelf map for anything, imprezas vary far too much one people put different mods on.
nor would I suggest that people would get mapping done at power engineering unless merv is doing it. Not a fan of the phase one. No problem with the teks though!
cant remember what car and hence turbo r.b.5 has, and cant be bothered to scroll back and look.
If you want an uprated turbo for handling your increased power, speak with mark aigin a la lateral performance. if you want a fuel pump (you do) speak to lateral performance.
btw. david wallis, heard about your power figure, and more importantly your torque. nice one! damned impressive!
28 October 2002, 01:52 PM
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Adam, PE are not custom mapping MY99/00 presently. Merv does the mapping of the MY01/02.
Off the shelf map - understand your point, the map I am offering is a variation on a Tek 2 with fuel maps as MY99/00 pretty much (except for more fuel during spool up) and more retarded timing to run about 17 PSI and has huge margins of safety. Pretty conservative really, runs less timing than a PPP or a Tek 2 with a little more boost. You will note I am recommending installation with Delta Dash or a knocklink and boost gauge - this is primarily to point out faults on the cars sensor/control rather than an issue with the map. There is a market for it and I am offering a product as safe as possible to fit in it. I would contend that it is even safer than just putting a Dawes on a MY99/00 car since the timing is more appropriate than the standard ECU for running higher boost. However, I am aware that you are not a fan of either off the shelf maps or Dawes, but for some users they do have a place and are a welcome option. That is why I offer them. No offence take I just have a different view
[Edited by john banks - 10/28/2002 1:58:59 PM]
Off the shelf map - understand your point, the map I am offering is a variation on a Tek 2 with fuel maps as MY99/00 pretty much (except for more fuel during spool up) and more retarded timing to run about 17 PSI and has huge margins of safety. Pretty conservative really, runs less timing than a PPP or a Tek 2 with a little more boost. You will note I am recommending installation with Delta Dash or a knocklink and boost gauge - this is primarily to point out faults on the cars sensor/control rather than an issue with the map. There is a market for it and I am offering a product as safe as possible to fit in it. I would contend that it is even safer than just putting a Dawes on a MY99/00 car since the timing is more appropriate than the standard ECU for running higher boost. However, I am aware that you are not a fan of either off the shelf maps or Dawes, but for some users they do have a place and are a welcome option. That is why I offer them. No offence take I just have a different view
[Edited by john banks - 10/28/2002 1:58:59 PM]
28 October 2002, 01:59 PM
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Thanks Adam.. Means a lot when someone like yourself says impressive.. (also when mark and trout said the same)
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28 October 2002, 02:08 PM
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Link or Gems??
Hope your not talking to me...
As theres nothing wrong with the std ecu's until you want antilag.. launch control, 8 injectors and fancy data logging.
Tim.. More to come... slight timing issue to sort..
David
Hope your not talking to me...
As theres nothing wrong with the std ecu's until you want antilag.. launch control, 8 injectors and fancy data logging.
Tim.. More to come... slight timing issue to sort..
David
28 October 2002, 02:49 PM
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So just to re-cap on the topic. Most of you think that with the Pectel system the car would gain a little bhp/torque but really isn't worth me shelling out for it as its over complicated for what i want initially. The end product is a long long way off so for the time being 300hp would be very very nice.
If i can get the majic 300hp then i will be happy, so the question i need to ask you all is what exactly do i need to do to the engine and in what order do i need to do it in?
In stages if you like:
1. Centre Section
2. Air filter
3. ECU+Map
etc. What would be the better ECU/CHIP to go for thinking i want 300hp. I'm now thinking of moving so need to make this money i throw at the scooby worth the while. Who do i use to map the car? Do i get a custom map and if so where do i go? Where do i get the parts at reasonable prices?
what would i do without scoobynet eh?
Ta very much lads
Gavin
(now itching for power)
If i can get the majic 300hp then i will be happy, so the question i need to ask you all is what exactly do i need to do to the engine and in what order do i need to do it in?
In stages if you like:
1. Centre Section
2. Air filter
3. ECU+Map
etc. What would be the better ECU/CHIP to go for thinking i want 300hp. I'm now thinking of moving so need to make this money i throw at the scooby worth the while. Who do i use to map the car? Do i get a custom map and if so where do i go? Where do i get the parts at reasonable prices?
what would i do without scoobynet eh?
Ta very much lads
Gavin
(now itching for power)
28 October 2002, 03:32 PM
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gavin, one sec, just need to sort something out with john,
john, no offence intended or taken, different views, both perfectly valid. I am just v wary, as have seen standard cars doing dodgy thing things and detting like buggery and without monitoring equipment most owners would have no idea. I do appreciate the timing issues, and as you say if more conservative than a PPP, sure it will be fine. Hope I didnt scare any of your potential customers.
Gavin, back to you.
kinda already answered your questions but will make it clearer anyway.
sure most on here would agree with me (perhaps not john)
Nothing wrong with pectel at all. depending on which one it will give you major grief, and regardless of which one will be expensive. Doesnt stop it from being great, I have one so would be a hypocrit to suggest it isnt a great ecu, after all thats why I bought one.
In your case, it is without doubt a sledgehammer to crack a wallnut, for the reasons stated above. a tek 3 can suit you fine and hgas major advantages, not sure I'd be keen on trying to find a decent maf sensor though.
In short a gems, link or motec can do the job you want done with no problems whatsoever, even up to 400+bhp.
a motec m800 featureswise is on a par with a T6, but when specced up to similar spec (odd sentence - that one) they cost similar amounts.
what year and model is your car?
assuming it doesnt have a TD05,vf23 or vf22 you will need a turbo.
a front mount will help, a fuel pump, an a free flow exhaust.
witha remap and some *****, this should be able to see you to 350bhpish.
you can do this remap via a tek3, or by link, gems or motec (or pectel if really keen). these options range from £750 to £1500 ish I think (pectel doesnt).
Best thing to do is get all the hardware on there first and drive it carefully until the new ecu is in, as it will be flowing so much more air, your fuelling will be far enough out to destroy your engine if not careful (depending on your standard map).
john, no offence intended or taken, different views, both perfectly valid. I am just v wary, as have seen standard cars doing dodgy thing things and detting like buggery and without monitoring equipment most owners would have no idea. I do appreciate the timing issues, and as you say if more conservative than a PPP, sure it will be fine. Hope I didnt scare any of your potential customers.
Gavin, back to you.
kinda already answered your questions but will make it clearer anyway.
sure most on here would agree with me (perhaps not john
)Nothing wrong with pectel at all. depending on which one it will give you major grief, and regardless of which one will be expensive. Doesnt stop it from being great, I have one so would be a hypocrit to suggest it isnt a great ecu, after all thats why I bought one.
In your case, it is without doubt a sledgehammer to crack a wallnut, for the reasons stated above. a tek 3 can suit you fine and hgas major advantages, not sure I'd be keen on trying to find a decent maf sensor though.
In short a gems, link or motec can do the job you want done with no problems whatsoever, even up to 400+bhp.
a motec m800 featureswise is on a par with a T6, but when specced up to similar spec (odd sentence - that one) they cost similar amounts.
what year and model is your car?
assuming it doesnt have a TD05,vf23 or vf22 you will need a turbo.
a front mount will help, a fuel pump, an a free flow exhaust.
witha remap and some *****, this should be able to see you to 350bhpish.
you can do this remap via a tek3, or by link, gems or motec (or pectel if really keen). these options range from £750 to £1500 ish I think (pectel doesnt).
Best thing to do is get all the hardware on there first and drive it carefully until the new ecu is in, as it will be flowing so much more air, your fuelling will be far enough out to destroy your engine if not careful (depending on your standard map).
28 October 2002, 06:17 PM
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Adam,
"RB5" I'm guessing an RB5 is what Gavin has.
Gavin, For a realistic 300bhp,
1) Sort your exhaust, turbo back, and ideally ported headers, and a decent up pipe.
2) Ditch the intake pipe for something like the MRT silicon pipe (NOT the Samco version) or make the intake up out of Samco off the shelf bends/reducers. K&N induction filter.
3) as John suggested, a larger turbo.
4) Up rated fuel pump.
5) Get it all re-mapped by one of the recommended tuners.
I reckon, that if you're careful, you'd get most, if not all of this for within your budget.
After this, I'd look at a FMIC.
Mark.
"RB5" I'm guessing an RB5 is what Gavin has.
Gavin, For a realistic 300bhp,
1) Sort your exhaust, turbo back, and ideally ported headers, and a decent up pipe.
2) Ditch the intake pipe for something like the MRT silicon pipe (NOT the Samco version) or make the intake up out of Samco off the shelf bends/reducers. K&N induction filter.
3) as John suggested, a larger turbo.
4) Up rated fuel pump.
5) Get it all re-mapped by one of the recommended tuners.
I reckon, that if you're careful, you'd get most, if not all of this for within your budget.
After this, I'd look at a FMIC.
Mark.
28 October 2002, 06:24 PM
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Gavin,
To get where my car is today I went this route:
ITG panel Air filter
Miltek Backbox
Scoobysport Centre section
Scoobysport Downpipe
ECU (6 row Link in my case)
Induction kit replacing std air box (advantage with the Link, MAF sensor not used so bypassed with a stainless pipe to a big cone filter, the Gems and Tek need a MAF sensor)
Bigger bore HKS Hiper exhaust system from the downpipe back (for better breathing at the top end)
Hybrid Turbo VF22, through what is now Lateral Performance, sometimes called a BT270 or MD304 (quite possibly the most well matched turbo for a 2 litre UK spec car comes in low down - 1 bar at 3k rpm, 1.25 from 3.3k to the red line whilest flowing really well)
HKS Front Mount Intercooler
HKS Exhaust Manifold and Custom Up-pipe
440cc injectors
Uprated Fuel pump (Lateral Performance)
Water Injection
Oil catch tank
Uprated Organic Clutch and lightened flywheel (Lateral Performance strikes again!)
and that's where it's at for now...
My suggestion to you is:
Full Exhaust (3" bore)
Airfilter (Induction kit retaining MAF)
Uprated Fuel pump
Remap or remapable ECU
Oil catch tank
Hybrid Turbo
Bigger Injectors
Front Mount Intercooler
Water Injection
Flywheel and clutch
Exhasut manifold (either port and polish or tubular)
Oh and you'll need to do something with the brakes and the suspension as well!
To get where my car is today I went this route:
ITG panel Air filter
Miltek Backbox
Scoobysport Centre section
Scoobysport Downpipe
ECU (6 row Link in my case)
Induction kit replacing std air box (advantage with the Link, MAF sensor not used so bypassed with a stainless pipe to a big cone filter, the Gems and Tek need a MAF sensor)
Bigger bore HKS Hiper exhaust system from the downpipe back (for better breathing at the top end)
Hybrid Turbo VF22, through what is now Lateral Performance, sometimes called a BT270 or MD304 (quite possibly the most well matched turbo for a 2 litre UK spec car comes in low down - 1 bar at 3k rpm, 1.25 from 3.3k to the red line whilest flowing really well)
HKS Front Mount Intercooler
HKS Exhaust Manifold and Custom Up-pipe
440cc injectors
Uprated Fuel pump (Lateral Performance)
Water Injection
Oil catch tank
Uprated Organic Clutch and lightened flywheel (Lateral Performance strikes again!)
and that's where it's at for now...
My suggestion to you is:
Full Exhaust (3" bore)
Airfilter (Induction kit retaining MAF)
Uprated Fuel pump
Remap or remapable ECU
Oil catch tank
Hybrid Turbo
Bigger Injectors
Front Mount Intercooler
Water Injection
Flywheel and clutch
Exhasut manifold (either port and polish or tubular)
Oh and you'll need to do something with the brakes and the suspension as well!
29 October 2002, 09:01 AM
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you may not need a new ecu, ut it sounds like you have taken the right advice.
Best thing as said before is to speak on the phone to someone like Mark @ lateral performance (posted on this thread as R19KET).
020 8420 5444
nice guy, wont bite.
Best thing as said before is to speak on the phone to someone like Mark @ lateral performance (posted on this thread as R19KET).
020 8420 5444
nice guy, wont bite.
29 October 2002, 01:14 PM
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I agree with Tim's comments about the exquisite matching of the MD304 to the 2.0 litre Impreza engine. It is a stunning combination and highly recommended with the appropriate supporting components - lots of choice - do your homework.
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