New police rulling on exhausts
25 October 2002, 07:16 PM
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Police discretion depends on your face - if they don't like it, then you're not going to do too well.
What you need to do is to get the copper to put his ear right next to the exhaust and thrash the hell out of it - right in their face.
Whatever next?
What you need to do is to get the copper to put his ear right next to the exhaust and thrash the hell out of it - right in their face.
Whatever next?
25 October 2002, 09:27 PM
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Am I seriously missing something??
WHY fit a backbox that rattles your windows out at 2 miles??
WHY fit HUGE spoilers that say, 'Come nick my car'??
WHY fit Gold Wheels that say, 'Ive left my handbag at home'??
WHY drive around at 150mph and then complain that you have been booked??
WHY drive an overpriced 2-Door Saloon that is the P1??
WHY spend £1000's modifying a car to achieve an extra 30BHP which wont make one jot of difference on the road??
WHY buy a stolen mickey mouse Jap Import??
WHY WHY WHY???
Pete
WHY fit a backbox that rattles your windows out at 2 miles??
WHY fit HUGE spoilers that say, 'Come nick my car'??
WHY fit Gold Wheels that say, 'Ive left my handbag at home'??
WHY drive around at 150mph and then complain that you have been booked??
WHY drive an overpriced 2-Door Saloon that is the P1??
WHY spend £1000's modifying a car to achieve an extra 30BHP which wont make one jot of difference on the road??
WHY buy a stolen mickey mouse Jap Import??
WHY WHY WHY???
Pete
25 October 2002, 10:21 PM
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Pete,
Do you ever stop going on mate
Why why why why....
For some of us this is our bit of release yeah!!Get a life and go and put a fiver on a horse!!
No hard feelings
Regards
Andy
Do you ever stop going on mate
Why why why why....
For some of us this is our bit of release yeah!!Get a life and go and put a fiver on a horse!!
No hard feelings
Regards
Andy
25 October 2002, 10:54 PM
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I am surprised you can afford to live in ASHFORD as a painter and decorator??
I suppose you can save some money by having a Jap Import instead of a REAL Impreza??
Pete 
I suppose you can save some money by having a Jap Import instead of a REAL Impreza??
Pete
25 October 2002, 11:06 PM
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Take it you don't need your house painted! Only drove past your house a couple of days a go, could have sworn a bunch of thieving gypsy b*******s had moved in!Oops! sorry need to tout for buisness need to pay the mortgage!
26 October 2002, 01:09 AM
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Have you all kept your paperwork from the manufacturer's off your exhaust's?
If so have a read through, see if says anything about it being illegal. If it doesn't and you get pulled, sue the exhaust company for not making you fully aware of what you are doing.
Like smoking, they have to tell you it's harmful to your health. After market exhausts are harmful to your wallet!
If so have a read through, see if says anything about it being illegal. If it doesn't and you get pulled, sue the exhaust company for not making you fully aware of what you are doing.
Like smoking, they have to tell you it's harmful to your health. After market exhausts are harmful to your wallet!
26 October 2002, 10:10 AM
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They will be fitting microphones to Gastos next 
They should be out keeping the streets safe not picking on motorists again [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
We pay their wages about time someone made these jokers accountable.
They should be out keeping the streets safe not picking on motorists again [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
We pay their wages about time someone made these jokers accountable.
26 October 2002, 07:56 PM
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A few things of interest for you on the subject. I was having a chat with a policeman mate of mine about this subject. He is a Met Police trainer at Hendon, so he does know his stuff.
A police officer can use his/her discretion when deciding to stop your car to check for noise levels etc. They DO NOT have to be qualified in motor mechanics or a traffic cop or any of the other stuff posted in this thread. It is simply their opinion that counts. It is your word against theirs.
If you are stopped and they query the exhaust or any other part of the car, ask about the Vehicle Defect Rectification Form, details here. The VDRF is operated by all police forces in the UK and has been in existance for at least 15 years. The idea is to cut down on the administration associated with issuing fixed penealy, non-endorsable fines (such as those described earlier in the thread). What the VDRF gives you is 14 days to fix the problem, have it certified at an MOT testing station and then present the form back to the police station.
The VDRF should be offered, but if the policeman has already decided that the fault is too serious or he has all ready issued a ticket, then you can't do anything about it (once again it is at their discretion). So ask before they do the ticket issuing and save yourself £30!!
Cheers
Chris
A police officer can use his/her discretion when deciding to stop your car to check for noise levels etc. They DO NOT have to be qualified in motor mechanics or a traffic cop or any of the other stuff posted in this thread. It is simply their opinion that counts. It is your word against theirs.
If you are stopped and they query the exhaust or any other part of the car, ask about the Vehicle Defect Rectification Form, details here. The VDRF is operated by all police forces in the UK and has been in existance for at least 15 years. The idea is to cut down on the administration associated with issuing fixed penealy, non-endorsable fines (such as those described earlier in the thread). What the VDRF gives you is 14 days to fix the problem, have it certified at an MOT testing station and then present the form back to the police station.
The VDRF should be offered, but if the policeman has already decided that the fault is too serious or he has all ready issued a ticket, then you can't do anything about it (once again it is at their discretion). So ask before they do the ticket issuing and save yourself £30!!
Cheers
Chris
26 October 2002, 07:59 PM
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Traffic Answers gives lots of good advice on legal matters relating to the UK road and traffic laws.
Chris
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26 October 2002, 08:33 PM
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What about the PPP? It's
- certainly louder than the original exhaust,
- sold by Subaru dealers for road use,
- original equipment on the RB5 WR.
If a policeman decides he doesn't like my car's exhaust, suppose I take the car back to a Subaru dealer. How exactly would that dealer react to being asked to stamp a vehicle defect form?
Andy.
- certainly louder than the original exhaust,
- sold by Subaru dealers for road use,
- original equipment on the RB5 WR.
If a policeman decides he doesn't like my car's exhaust, suppose I take the car back to a Subaru dealer. How exactly would that dealer react to being asked to stamp a vehicle defect form?
Andy.
26 October 2002, 11:41 PM
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ok, lets get the law into this debate.
You can find the law relating to vehicles and their construction/use at http://www.hmso.gov.uk/sr/sr1999/19990454.htm#65
The relevent section refering to silencer construction and use states.
(2) Exhaust systems and silencers shall be maintained in good and efficient working order and shall not after the date of manufacture be altered so as to increase the noise made by the escape of exhaust gases.
What that law means, is that you cannot modify a silencer after it has been made, to make it louder. It does not mean you cannot replace the vehicles silencer with an aftermarket system that is louder. This law is to stop you removing the baffles and creating an overly loud system. The law is related to the silencer as an individual component on the vehicle. It is not related to the vehicle as a whole. This means that after market silencers are legitimate to use as long as you dont modify the aftermarket silencer after it has been manufactured. So for example, if you purchased a scoobysport silencer and then removed the silencer packing material, that would be illegal, however fitting a scoobysport silencer is not illegal and should you be stoped by the police and told you must reduce the noise to the level at which it was on the factory system, i would suggest to them they learned the law properly.
This is why Prodrive can sell you a PPP legally, why you are within your rights to use a scoobysport or scoobymania system etc.
Hopefully this clears up the confusion. You still have to have a silencer that complies with the maximum noise limits for a motorcar obviously. A lot of the Japanese spec systems are well over this limit.
You can find the law relating to vehicles and their construction/use at http://www.hmso.gov.uk/sr/sr1999/19990454.htm#65
The relevent section refering to silencer construction and use states.
(2) Exhaust systems and silencers shall be maintained in good and efficient working order and shall not after the date of manufacture be altered so as to increase the noise made by the escape of exhaust gases.
What that law means, is that you cannot modify a silencer after it has been made, to make it louder. It does not mean you cannot replace the vehicles silencer with an aftermarket system that is louder. This law is to stop you removing the baffles and creating an overly loud system. The law is related to the silencer as an individual component on the vehicle. It is not related to the vehicle as a whole. This means that after market silencers are legitimate to use as long as you dont modify the aftermarket silencer after it has been manufactured. So for example, if you purchased a scoobysport silencer and then removed the silencer packing material, that would be illegal, however fitting a scoobysport silencer is not illegal and should you be stoped by the police and told you must reduce the noise to the level at which it was on the factory system, i would suggest to them they learned the law properly.
This is why Prodrive can sell you a PPP legally, why you are within your rights to use a scoobysport or scoobymania system etc.
Hopefully this clears up the confusion. You still have to have a silencer that complies with the maximum noise limits for a motorcar obviously. A lot of the Japanese spec systems are well over this limit.
26 October 2002, 11:50 PM
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"So for example, if you purchased a scoobysport silencer and then removed the silencer packing material, that would be illegal"
Good grief John, so they actually have packing in them. Where?!!
Good grief John, so they actually have packing in them. Where?!!
27 October 2002, 11:19 AM
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Regarding Chris L's post a page or so back:
Surely if the police are going to issue a £30 fixed penalty, you have to accept or refuse it, i.e. accept that your exhaust is too loud or deny it and go to court? They can't just find you guilty without actual proof? Or are you saying that this is the case?
Surely if the police are going to issue a £30 fixed penalty, you have to accept or refuse it, i.e. accept that your exhaust is too loud or deny it and go to court? They can't just find you guilty without actual proof? Or are you saying that this is the case?
27 October 2002, 11:52 AM
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Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) Part II Section 41 Sub-Section 2 Paragraph C says that the Secretary of State can make regulations that may make provision with respect to noise, however, I'm buggered if I can find out where in God's name they hide those regulations [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Is the HMSO website the most annoying on the planet? I think so!
EDIT: OK, we're looking for Motor Vehicles (Construction and Use Regulations) 1986 and any amendments. I can't find any amendments from 1988 --> Present that mention noise of cars (loads of new regs for bikes ) but I can't find an on-line version of the original regs. Anyone else?
EDIT (2): I've e-mailed the DTLR's Vehicle Standards and Engineering Department for further info.
[Edited by NotoriousREV - 10/27/2002 12:23:20 PM]
Is the HMSO website the most annoying on the planet? I think so!
EDIT: OK, we're looking for Motor Vehicles (Construction and Use Regulations) 1986 and any amendments. I can't find any amendments from 1988 --> Present that mention noise of cars (loads of new regs for bikes
) but I can't find an on-line version of the original regs. Anyone else?EDIT (2): I've e-mailed the DTLR's Vehicle Standards and Engineering Department for further info.
[Edited by NotoriousREV - 10/27/2002 12:23:20 PM]
28 October 2002, 02:17 PM
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I've found this from 1996. Dunno if it's of any use?!
The current and previous noise limits for each class of vehicle are as follows:
Vehicle Category Previous limits New limits
Passenger Cars 77dB(A) 74dB(A)
Large Buses and Coaches
greater than 3.5 tonnes
- engine less than 150 kW 80dB(A) 78dB(A)
- engine 150 kW or more 83dB(A) 77dB(A)
Small buses and light
goods vehicles of 3.5
tonnes or less_
- gross vehicle weight of 2
tonnes or less 78dB(A) 76dB(A)
- gross vehicle weight
over 2 tonnes 79dB(A) 77dB(A)
Heavy goods vehicles over
3.5 tonnes
- engine less than 75 kW 81dB(A) 77dB(A)
- engine 75kW to 150 kW 83dB(A) 78dB(A)
- engine 150 kW or more 84dB(A) 80dB(A)
The current and previous noise limits for each class of vehicle are as follows:
Vehicle Category Previous limits New limits
Passenger Cars 77dB(A) 74dB(A)
Large Buses and Coaches
greater than 3.5 tonnes
- engine less than 150 kW 80dB(A) 78dB(A)
- engine 150 kW or more 83dB(A) 77dB(A)
Small buses and light
goods vehicles of 3.5
tonnes or less_
- gross vehicle weight of 2
tonnes or less 78dB(A) 76dB(A)
- gross vehicle weight
over 2 tonnes 79dB(A) 77dB(A)
Heavy goods vehicles over
3.5 tonnes
- engine less than 75 kW 81dB(A) 77dB(A)
- engine 75kW to 150 kW 83dB(A) 78dB(A)
- engine 150 kW or more 84dB(A) 80dB(A)