scoobynutta555

If peops on here are going to go around like lynch mobs pushing blame on others i just wish they got facts right. I see too many posts on here with peops blaming police for things they have limited control over, or perhaps Blair because their cornflakes were soggy that morning.

Quite willing to listen/partake in intelligent or "informed" discussion with peops who dont stare trance like at page 3 and read only "comment" columns in downmarket rags.

BTW i believe new labour are all aliens and are slowly killing us off to take over the world.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Well here's my two euro's worth.
When I was younger, you could trust the police to do the "right" thing. Crimes were prosecuted to the best of their ability, and it didn't matter whether they would receive any revenue from it, or any kudos, come to that. They just followed the law, and everyone knew where they stood.
Now we have political correctness, targets, graft, corruption etc, and OBVIOUS crimes don't get prosecuted, while easy targets are PERSECUTED!!
I have had two very scary run-ins with the police over the last two or three years. I was lied to, treated as a criminal BEFORE I was even charged, let alone found guilty, left to sweat on being charged even when the b*stards KNEW they weren't going to, and given a thoroughly bad time.
This is not something I read in the Sun, or anywhere else. It's real, it happened to me, it still gives me nightmares, and I'm still very bitter about my treatment. And when it was over, no-one was interested in my complaints. I was told to "get over it"!
I don't know, or care who is responsible for this change, but I do know that I believe, and I'm training my lads to believe, that you trust the police about as far as you could chuck a car full of 'em.
Anyone who finds me sad/wrong/naive/lefty can take a flying f*ck at a rolling polo. It didn't happen to you, it did happen to me!!
Alcazar[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

Katana

Why yes..

scoobynutta555

alcazar

Ahh yes the good old days. Silly me for not putting my rose tinted glasses on before looking at this thread.

At the end of the day the police force is made up of human beings, people who live down the same road, eat the same food and is some cases drive the same cars. In essence they are no different to many other members of society, therefore, its reasonable to assume that "bad apples" will be present in the police force, as there are in general society.

Quite simply, there has been crime, there is crime, and in all likleyhood there will be crime. The days when your local bobby was a one man band who could deal with everything are long gone im afraid, even if they were ever here. I frequently hear people saying what a bad society we live in, how much better it was in the "good old days". One good example would be paedophiles(or similarly disturbed) abducting and murdering kids. If you look at it closely, theres on average, no change in such cases. But with todays media coverage as it is (yes i know such crimes are very very sick) these things get all blown out of proportion, resulting in peops paranoid that their child will be the next victim. The media is a business, it wants to sell you news. It does this by cranking up stories, and delivering stories most likely to grab you and shake you. After all two very high profile examples of 30/40 years ago are still in jail, Hindley and Brady.

And lets not forget appeals for crimes 20/30 years ago that were seen by judges in the 90's, high profile case after high profile case of judges throwing out convictions as unsafe, mostly upset at the police corruption they saw in each case.

I fear there were never any good old days, and as far as trusting anybody police or not, it should be done on an individual basis all the time.

BTW didnt you ever see the Sweeney?

[Edited by scoobynutta555 - 10/25/2002 9:59:00 PM]

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Yes.
And I suppose you have a point. Unsafe convictions abound, and do no-one any favours.
My own lack of trust is down to a feeling of betrayal, and a residing bitterness at the way I was treated, esp when I read/see/hear about lowlifes who get away with stuff because there's insufficient evidence/they're too young/there was a technicality in court etc etc.
Alcazar

[Edited by alcazar - 10/25/2002 10:24:30 PM]

BOB.T

LOL

It's allright, I've got mi coat on, the taxi is here.....

Bob

andy oakes

Pete you dont swing to the left living in sussex do you!!!!!

Sue Sidal

Alcazar, why would you want to prosecute someone for grafting?

CooperS

Nice one Bob, kinda walked into that one didn't I....

rallycol

iTrader: (4)

The point about this happening on private land ,the law changed about 10 years ago and people are resposible for their actions whilst driving a vehicle on private land,thats why you have to apply for an exemtion for motorsport activities.

Pauleds

Ok i'm ready for all the adverse comments and abuse but i'm a serving Traffic Bobby and a modified scooby owner.On Thursday we picked up a tracker activation on a stolen WRX which had been stolen with keys in a house burglary.The tracker was activated at 1500hours and by 1515hours the vehicle had been located in a lock up garage ten miles away from the scene of the offence.It was returned undamaged to it's owner who was rather relieved.At one point during the search for the vehicle there were 10 marked traffic units looking for it from all over the Leeds and Bradford area.
I fully accept everyones right to free speech and to voice their own opinion about the Police but events like the above happen EVERY day and it's only the adverse publicity we get from a very small minority of officers that tars everybody with the same brush.Most Bobbies are hard working and want to do the right thing for the public.

Fuzz

Well said Paul,
I have had *cough* a number of run ins with the force *cough* and only ever found them to be " doing their job to the best of their ability".
never had a problem with them, I knew I was in the wrong.
I can't understand these idiots who start mouthing of at them, it's just going to make things worse !!

anyway waffle over

edit to add: glad to see you recovered scooby, shame NEWS does not include the good things that happen in life and a little less of the bad, ho hum, can but dream

Andy

[Edited by Fuzz - 10/26/2002 12:47:02 PM]

tiktok

My turn to get my pennies worth in. I work for Sussex Police, and have been pulled several times for various things (speeding? Never! Slanderous ) anyway, as I deal with them all day everyday, 99% of them are totally nice guys, be they old blokes or new recruites. Okay, so there are some power hungry ones, and? I treat them the same way they treat me, which in general is "wanna cuppa?" when I walk in there office. Like someone said, you get good & bad in every walk of life, there is no way to stop this. So, to all the coppers on here - thankyou for your hard work, I think you are a bunch of decent blokes all in all.

Just one thing, a traffic guy I know is a year younger than me (i'm 27) and he pays around 600 quid fully comp insurance which is half mine! - GIT! But apart from that he's a nice guy.

And yes, i have been arrested in the past, and i've been treated like sh*t, its a shame, but it happens, especially as I have earings, tattoos and a pony tail, so most people (not just police) judge me & find me guilty all in one look.

King RA

not surprised, you sound like a criminal and I can't even see you .

Katana

Wait 500 quid fully comp for a WRX at only 26 years old? Where have I been going wrong (clean license)?

Hoppy

Yes, well said Paul. It's good to hear the other side sometimes. Well, everytime, actually, then we'd get more balanced views on here.

I'd also like to hear that, in the near future, the thieving b@st@rds got appropriately punished. But I ain't holding my breathe and when they get off with a slapped wrist I dare say you'll get the public blame for that even though you've done your utmost.

I don't envy you guys, usually between a rock and a hard place, nor have I got any bright ideas to make things better, because there are no easy, quick or cheap fixes. Society needs to look at itself a bit more, methinks, instead of blaming the government, police, local council or whoever.

Please keep up the posting (and take it steady on that Fireblade, sonny, speed kills, y'know!).

BTW, what brand of tracking device is most effective in your experience? YHM

Cheers,

Richard.


Police ScoobyNetters on here do the force a great deal of credit - guys like BuRR

tiktok

Oops, i forgot to mention, I work for the police but i'm support staff, not a copper. I even admit I work in I.T. (arrrrr! not another I.T. scooby owner!)

King RA - !!!! How dare you! Deeply offended I am hehehehehe

Pauleds

Richard/Hoppy,
Your views are appreciated.I only revealed my profession to try and balance out some of the arguments i was reading on this thread so i'm glad to hear not everyone is anti.
The most advanced tracking device i have had experience with is the RAC Navtrak.It can pinpoint the position of a stolen motor to within a couple of feet but it is mega expensive.By far the most effective is the Tracker Monitor.All the Police forces in this country have traffic cars fitted with the Tracker equipment and i have NEVER heard of a vehicle fitted with it not getting recovered within a very short space of time.Usually with the scumbags still inside.

Fuzz

Paul,
Intrigued to know,
You say RAC Navtrak is the most advanced yet you then say the Tacker Monitor is the most effective, In what way?
If the Navtrak one can pinpoint to within a few feet then surely this should be "more effective". Have I missed something

Mail me if you feel it's something that should not be "public"

I had the Navtrak fitted last month for £599 + £120 annual membership.


Andy

Pauleds

Fuzz,
Sorry,i didn't make myself very clear.The Navtrak is the most advanced system available as far as i can see alongside the Tracker Horizon GPS.The Tracker Monitor is in my opinion the most effective because it is accurate to around 10 metres and every Police force in the country has traffic cars fitted with the Tracker equipment.Each car has a small monitor which displays the activated Tracker code and the direction the signal is coming from and operates on a bar system ie.the stronger the signal the closer the stolen car is.Each traffic car can search for the stolen vehicle independently rather than having to rely on the Navtrack company operator telephoning the Police control room and the radio operator passing directions of travel etc to the officers on the ground over the radio.Tracker is instant and the other more advanced systems rely on telephone calls being made and the officers receiving potentially old information.The GPS systems ARE more accurate but the Tracker is more effective practically speaking from our point of view.Please note that the above is only my personal opinion speaking from experience.

wrxmark

To back up what Pauleds has said. All traffic and divisional area cars, ie Vectras BMW etc in the Met(London) are fitted with tracker receivers. Each car has four ariels fitted to the roof in a square shape just before the bar lights.
You need three cars fitted with such equipment to triangulate the transmitting source and then it is follow your nose to find the vehicle.
The other systems info is usaully given to officers via a phone link through the control room with the operator giving real time insructions on the vehicles position. I believe that the helicopter may have a tracker reciever fitted but to be honest I would assume a birds eye view is a lot more of a benifit.
Both systems work very well.
Never had an arrest through tracker though due to the time lapse in finding the car, but the motor recovery rate is excellent.


[Edited by wrxmark - 10/27/2002 12:07:33 PM]

Pauleds

Thanks Mark.
The tracker monitor is so good because you don't have to find that your car has been stolen and report it(unlike tracker retrieve).potentially losing valuable time in catching the thieves.If your car moves without the keys Tracker ring you to clarify if you know where your car is.If you dont then they activate the unit.We have caught a number of offenders red handed within minutes of the car going walkies driving round oblivious to the fact that every man and his dog(literally) is looking for them in high powered Police cars.Interested to know if these are fitted as standard to any Scoods yet?

Diesel

I just dont recognise these bad cop 'types' that are being slagged off here.

I must have been stopped about 30 times since I was 17 - ALL WHO STOPPED ME HAVE BEEN DECENT, STRAIGHT and GREAT- whether they booked me or not.

Got stopped by Blackfriars bridge recently - two cop cars and a bike. I got a full going over (VIN and everything) as I'd squeaked the tyres a little further up the road. It ended with a chat about popstars, 'I love these Scoobys' and an 'on yer way'...

I'm not demeaning the tales here of lazy cops, but to say all copper are 'wan***s' is moronic, simplistic, and maybe more of a comment on how you behave with the police...

D

Fuzz

A proper bit of info,

Thanks Mark and paul.

Andy.

Pauleds

No problem Andy.If you want any more information give me a shout.Always keen to pass on information which may help people hang onto their beloved cars.
Paul.