LG John

Will people lose this hangup about the track being the true test of a car!!!! FFS I promise you my standard MKII Saxo VTS (about £10k new with haggling and you've got free insurance on top of that) would happily whip the bugeye round most tracks!! Provided the suspension wasn't being upset the VTS had unbelieveable grip and was very nimble. Tracks are smooth and wide and if they had ruts and potholes nobody would use them!!!

Stick the VTS on a normal scottish b-road and even the lowly wrx would waste it. Please go and learn what the scooby is able to do and what it was designed to do. If your not cursing the lack of traction in a scooby your not driving it right!!!!!

Scoobys are boring on tracks, they just don't suit those kind of surfaces IMO.

SiPie

Look at all the fun I've been missing.....

Saxo...

Is that you volunteering my services for the Scoob Focus Challenge

Ok ... so with modern technology the newer car is always going to be better than the old one ..... so if that stands true then why would a (near) standard MY99 whip it's little Dagenham ***

Oh no I've fallen into boy racer territory

Bring them on

chrisp

Thats exactly why I moved from FWD, its not the South of France in the UK we tend to get rain, ice, snow, hail etc etc. I guess the weather is worse in Scotland. I hated torquesteer and wheelspin from a high powered FWD car and have no intention in going back to FWD, RWD for the summer well ....... .

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Wilster at Work

Guess what I was following this morning out of Brum on the way to work.......Civic Type R! Guess what CTR was following when we hit the M42.......

LG John

Yup

I really do respect these high powered fwd cars (RS, type-R, 172, etc) and I know they can be great fun to drive (I loved the type-R) but fwd has its limitations. You just can't knock rwd or 4wd IMO. 4wd is great where traction is needed and in dodgy conditions, rwd is great for fun and for true sports car like progress. Fwd just isn't able IMO to be used in the same way. We have many high powered 4wd and rwd supercars but I can't think of any fwd Ferrari's/Lambo's.

fubar

Is this programme repeated on BBC Choice or BBC2 again??

Edited to say I called the Beeb and it isn't repeated.



[Edited by fubar - 10/28/2002 2:03:44 PM]

johnfelstead

There is only one place on earth that we could settle this debate properly. The Nurburgring. The ring is fast, slow, bumpy, smooth, uphill, downhill, off camber, on camber, slippy, grippy, flat, hilly, narrow, wide, wet, dry..........

This is why the manufacturers test their cars here in private sessions.

If any Focus RS owner and WRX owner wants to give me their car for the day at the ring, i'll tell you which is the best alrounder.

Until then, to me, it's all Blah Blah Blah Blah. LOL

Puff, your a nutter taking a mini down that track! I doubt you had much to spare in terms of traction. (and you sure didnt exit there doing 60 in 4.1 seconds LOL). Did you notice that all the dumped, burnt out cars on that track were Fords? LOL

co55ie

LOL did you see Clarksons face when he experienced a bit of Cosworth YB power in the RS200 and then stacked it LOL he couldn't handle it. ROFLMAO. This is how all road cars should deliver power.

dsmith

No Diff Bloody clever chaps those japanese

Deano

RSOCBB

Get close to this and perhaps the RS boys will believe your mythical horsepower claims.
http://www.dazclayton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/therapid1.mpg

shunty

was that a 3 or an 8...couldn't quite make it out
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if that time is true, then it can't be far off the world record, I thought that was 3.08 set by the RS200

shunty

Caronte

FORD PAYS FOR THIS TEST.

shunty

just watched that again, sounded too slow through the rev range to run 3.16 (I spose I will be wrong though:rolleyes), I went in RichW's evo running 360 bhp & that tore through the revs much faster than that.
??????????????

shunty

EvilBevel

I'd say pslewis still has a golden (sorry) spoon

RSOCBB

The time was set a TRAX 2002.
His best is 2.99 secs to 60 mph.
The best a souped Skyline could manage on the day was 3.7 secs.
Cool.

chrisp

Must admit I would love a Skyline G meter how fast was that one on the 200 day, didnt it do nearly 200mph. Guess 0-60 is immaterial and doesnt register on the speedo if the car can do in excess of 200mph . Also anyone seen the Tuscan video 110-180mph floating around. Maybe I should start saving for a factory prepared 960bhp MG SV .

turbo2000

this is getting boring now this is scoobynet not rsnet
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

well hung

Realistically no one leaves this type of car as standard so lets see what happens to the rs in the next 12 months, its only a zetec(i think) with a turbo! I cant see it being tunable like the cossies or even like the current scoob. Not sounding biased but just changed from a 250ish brake scoob to a 400+ monster of an escort and no scoob delivers power like it.

Sprint Chief

Some questions posted about top gear/fifth gear CTR vs. Focus RS (I'm not going to bring the scoob into it )

Fifth gear reckoned the focus was just 0.3 secs faster than the CTR around Anglesey circuit.

Then we can look at the top gear times, which had the CTR around 1'38, the focus at 1'33, and the Lambo the previous week at... 1'29?!!?! Are we really saying the focus RS is that close to a top Italian supercar?

I have to admit fifth gear report sounds more convincing. It will be interesting to see if the customer cars reach their semi supercar potential or end up more with Tiffs results (and judging from the footage, I reckon he was trying in both cars!)

PS. I know guy with a red RS1800. It is the dog's danglies, and I would swap my scoob for it any day of the week. Mmmm BDA mmmmm....

Arron

What you want is a 300BHP 4 w/d focus, now that would be worth p/x ing a scoob for.

R BURNS

**ck the focus and the scoob i want that new MG (900) BHP

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Well hung,
I believe that the engine in question isnt a zetec its a duratec
I may be wrong though so ill look it up but its definately different to the 2ltr zetec spec.

Tony

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Yup its a Duratec engine

Tony

MJW

.. but it is a bird's shopping car at the end of the day

Scooby Dooby Blue

You'd think it would be perfect, they postponed release of the car for long enough

Scoob99

iTrader: (1)

Is it true that the new Fiesta is going to become an RS too??
Cheers
Colin

Marco Polo

Ha ha

all the slagging you lot give the Fords ......and sevre you right ..and your engilsh scoob got panned/blasted by a FWD car cooking model Focus.."****" that you lot call them !!! well serve you right....and yes the twisties..... my ball bag..... what do you think a track is all straights...lol....

All i can say is Wait untill the Main Beast "Daddie Cossie Focus"comes out you lot will be shaking in your boots!!! and yes it will have the power to take out your imports Sti's/wrx's with no problem.... 310 bhp/4wd as standard, 97 ron fuel not 102 ron like some

P.s cossie's don't handle .....i wonder who won the ten of the best on the handling course a cossie come to mind old tecno

pslewis

As I started this thread over 7000 views ago I have come to the conclusion that the FORD will have lost most of its trim in 6 months, been in the garage for 6 weeks out of the past 10, being nicked instead of Scoobs!! Yippeee and basically has a lower class image - so, at the end of the day, The Scooby Impreza is STILL king!

All IMHO of course

Pete

pslewis

As I started this thread over 7000 views ago I have come to the conclusion that the FORD will have lost most of its trim in 6 months, been in the garage for 6 weeks out of the past 10, being nicked instead of Scoobs!! Yippeee and basically has a lower class image - so, at the end of the day, The Scooby Impreza is STILL king!

All IMHO of course

Pete

johnfelstead

LOL

And i know Gareth Lloyd and his car pretty well, he would be the first to say it's not exactly a production car built for the road.

The damn thing has close on 600BHP, one of only 2 FFD 7 speed gearboxes built with a 64/36 torque split. Years worth of development by himself, his brother and Ahmed. It's won god knows how many Formula Saloon and GT races.

Get back to the real world, some of us know the diference between cars like Gareths and the Focus RS production car.