daved6

Fat Boy

I agree that sessions are a real pain, open pit lane with a sensible number of cars is the way to go in my view.

Regarding the different speeds, its not just car types, even times from drivers using the same car can be up to 10 secs a lap different, I wouldn't look at it just from your side either, believe me its just as frustrating when you carn't get a few quick laps in without tripping over slow cars, most are aware of whats going on around them which is good, but you always get a few who carn't drive for toffee's but have a quick car in a straight line and are reluctant to move off the racing line!!!!!this is a real problem, these guys cause much more fustration and danger to everyone.

I was going to enter this event in my SR3 ( I posted an enquiry to Chris when he first posted this event in the trackday section ) but was told there would be some resistance to it so I didn't bother, which seems sensible judging by all this "ho ha"

Fat Boy

DD6

I posted about cars being faster than me as I was being nice , I have had the same problem in the other direction like yourself with 911's , Skylines etc,even Radicals, believe it or not .(he was probably new to it).

Your reputation precedes you, but if you were in the evo i'd be happy to have you on track as there's not as much difference as there is with some of the real specialist stuff, even allowing for driving skills.

Chris was right to give you the steer he did IMHO for exactly the reasons we have stated - it wouldn't be that much fun for you or the others.

banshi

I've done a couple of trackdays and attended a lot more. I will never become a hard core track day enthusiast, simple case of to much work and too little money.

I've followed this thread but stayed out of the debate as I wasn't going to Bedford. But it's time to put on my SIDC badge and wade in.

With respect dba as an outsider you can read whatever level of common sense you choose. But the fact is the Committee has stated it's position and they are having to repeat themselves "over and over again" if the club MEMBERSHIP disagree it is up to them to lobby for a change.

Don't get me wrong I've thoroughly enjoyed every trackday I've attended and would like them to continue. But I fail to understand the convoluted logic displayed here:-

If SIDC are making a loss they should open up the event to other clubs

If there is so little interest from their members that trackdays are not financially viable the SIDC shouldn't risk members subscriptions organising them!
Simply establish close links with other groups who have fewer problems and minimise the risk.

dba

Banshi,

I have enjoyed the SIDC days i've attended,the drivers are extremely friendly and the days have been great fun,it would be a shame not to have anymore because they can't be filled.It seems that those with the strongest feelings have left,at a guess,so maybe it worth the committee making a policy change by themselves,without lobbying.Bloody hard job running something like that and i have a lot of sympathy,but there does seem to be a market for track day organisation that many in Scoobynet hanker for,without the restriction imposed by the SIDC.Maybe some of these guys should get off their butts and organise some themselves,in fact,i can't see why Scoobynet doesn't organise some tbh.

Fatboy,

I agree a bit re open pitlane.However,I was at Donnington with Docjock on Friday and it was sessioned event,inc novices.However they went op from the off and it was apparent from the start that 2/3s of the cars were race teams testing.It was no fun later on to be constantly looking for single seaters and Radicals,at one point that was on every corner.From my limited experience op would work at an SIDC event providing XTRs and Radicals were offered limited places,to many and its just awful.He was alright when it rained,i was nacked all day though.

[Edited by dba - 10/30/2002 7:18:40 PM]

Lee

Banshi is spot on :

> If SIDC are making a loss they should open up the
> event to other clubs

this would make the day "generic" rather than impreza-based therefore whats the point of the impreza club running it...which leads to.......

> If there is so little interest from their members that
> trackdays are not financially viable the SIDC shouldn't risk
> members subscriptions organising them!

indeed not. Hence we aren't doing any more directly (unless something radical changes, national day excepted) and instead will negotiate discounts with generic track companies for members.

One of the things I've picked up on the last couple of days is the feeling that the SIDC *should* run trackdays and *should* immediately or almost immediately open them up to other clubs. This therefore makes it a generic trackday, so we may as well save ourselves the complete and utter grief plus financial risk and put it through a generic track company.

Fat Boy

dba

We're actually agreeing

My point is I prefer open pitlane too, but not if there is a vast discrepancy in performance of weapons as then it becomes as you described, which strangely is just what I outlined in my earlier post re Silverstone

The 2 weeks exclusivity for sidc members first before throwing it open would hopefully restrict the rocketship numbers ,and over time these would probably decline anyway as if they turn up and then spend the whole day falling over scoobs/evos etc and get annoyed about it, they'll probably go looking for cheap test days elsewhere.

CraigH

Right.

Firstly, I think the postion we are in is completely the SIDC's doing.

It's almost demonstrated by a post by Lisa earlier today - not exact but "after much discussion the committee has decided...."

Err excuse me - you're not a company - it's a club - committee doesn't DECIDE things - it's decided by members. Maybe that's where you're going wrong

I think we can go on forever about this - there are people who actually see the problem - and no disrespect to SIDC, you lot don't.

Is a shame some of the questions never get answered.

Lee? Can you try and look at this from an outsiders point of view - or an SIDC member with a non Impreza - totally objective here - sod SIDC. What do you see?

sidclisa

I see a club that can do no right..

What ever SIDC say or do we will upset someone.

Phil

CraigH

I agree that its the membership's decision

AGM last week 21 people attended and with due respect to all that attended no one had any coments

How do you get the membership views if they don't turn up

There appears to be strong views on here appreciated but again probably similar numbers 20ish

so we have a club that wants to keep its current comittee but also critise them

Please how do we get the views of the membership IF only a few have comments.

CraigH

I mention to Lee earlier about if it was possible to set up a post to vote on - can be done on most BBS's.

Would be a start.

Lisa,

Don't take it to heart, but waddya expect when everything is so changeable?

Phil

Mmmmmm

Am idea has just sprung to mind

Let me email the committee members and I will be back

PHIL

Lee

From page1 of the rule book.

The authority and responsibility for the transaction of the business of the Club for its management shall be vested in a Committee, who, in addition to the powers and authorities by these rules expressly conferred on them, may exercise all powers and do all acts in furtherance of the objects for which the Club is established or done by the Club in General Meeting.

Sorry Craig but as a committee we do make decisions and we do them with the best intentions. However if the membership feel that we are not making the right decisions they have the right to ask for a resignation and appoint someone else.

Since only 21 people attended the AGM you can draw your own conclusions. Either the membership are not interested in the club, or they are happy the way it is being run.

dba

perhaps its just to difficult to attend meetings? Perhaps allow emailed opinions? or even consider views expressed here? if they do already,apologies


ok Fatboy,we agree,didn't read your earlier post properly

Lee

Yes we can do online votes and have done so in the past for various items.

The chairman would like to resign, I want to resign, Lisa wants to resign. Only thing stopping this from happening is the absence of any volunteers to take over. We also have a position for Motorsports. Anyone interested ?

CraigH

I'd do it if you paid me

Not being funny, if you all want to resign, do it. No-one is forcing you to stay on. If someone wants to come along and take over fine. If not club goes. Simple and end of story.

So Lee - setup a voting post.....

put a link here on snet

I'll put it on the other boards

Lee

> Not being funny, if you all want to resign, do it.
> No-one is forcing you to stay on. If someone wants to
> come along and take over fine. If not club goes. Simple
> and end of story.

no you're not being funny. Thats a ridiculous statement to make. Do you really think we care so little about our club as to just jack it in without doing a proper handover ?

Tell you what, we'll put you in a room with all the people who have just renewed or paid for membership and you can be blasè with them, see how far it would get you.

Phil

CraigH

Ok lets try it

I will try organise with the committee a voting sheet to go out with the next True Grip [Dec]

Asking the same questions that have been raised on here

I think we need to do it via True Grip for 3 reasons

1. Many of the members do not have PC access

2. Cost - doing a seperate mail would be very expensive

3. To ensure only Members voted

What do you think?


Phil

CraigH

Maybe I can be blase 'cos I;m not blinkered Lee.

Not my fault Chris resigned and you have to do his work. Who's fault is it? With regards to that, what is the point of keeping that position open if theres only going to be he National Day planned for next year?

And if you feel that strong about the club and don't want to resign, stop bitching that you do and get on with it. It's a simple choice Lee. You want to do it or you don't. If you want to do it get on and do it and stop moaning - if you don't don't.

Theres many more harder things in life than that decision. Stop trying to be a martyr.

"not being funny" - it's a phrase. If i want to be funny I will.

As to the rules you published - so basically the committee can do what they hell they choose. Lol That explains things very well now.

You ever seen those programs where British inventors go abroad 'cos the British poo-poo all their ideas? Hence the British never move foward till it's too late.

PS - why not read through the posts again - try and pick out the information from peoples suggestions.

dsmith

Absolutely nothing to do with fewer people willing to track days in general 'cos of the cost and IM attitudes to Trackdays and warranties then.

As lee as quoted - The committee runs the club on behalf of the members. I really dont want to have the comittee ring me up every day they need to decide to buy more stamps. If I dont like their decisions I'll go to the AGM and say so. Not sure how many "clubs" ask every memmber about every decision ?

Fact is SIDC cant fill impreza only track days. Should it allow itself to become a cheap track day club for all and the committee on a volunteer, insult generating basis - essentially run a non-profit track day company for the benefit of the track day regulars or concentrate efforts elsewhere ?

Hmmmm its tricky.....

Deano

CraigH

Deano,

You've hit the nail on the head but missed it.

I was an SIDC member till end of september. Haven't renewed yet. Have got an STI still and a Westie. Westie is track car. YOU said Impreza only on track. That's the failng. Is simple as that. And no marketing. Much as people like Stef he did bugger all for this year, bar Nat Day. . And Lee I don't think that's an inappropriate comment?

If all the SIDC members who own non Imprezas knew that they were allowed on track days again maybe it's be different.

And regarding asking about stamps - that's fair enough. But a MAJOR decision uturning their policy on trackdays? Subtle difference. Or voting a new comittee member in?

CraigH

Phil,

Regarding your vote idea - reckon email would be easier and more likely to get a good response to be honest.

dsmith

I actually do have a habit of both hitting and missing nails with the same blow - hence I have sore thumbs by the end of most weekends

Deano

CraigH

I do the same and also bang my head against a brick wall to no avail

Phil

CraigH

Ok so if I organise a postal vote in the next issue of True Grip

I have a dilema

How do I account for YOUR views

Tecnically as your membership has lapsed you SHOULD have no input into the decisions of the club

However you are obviously pashionate[spelling] about this subject so HOW do we take account of that situation?

Phil

Phil

Slow typing missed the email bit

What about the members not on email and there are a good percentage of them

I will check the database with Lee though

Phil

sidclisa

Any changes in the SIDC all members have a right to have there views only.

The SIDC have a bbs with a members only section any questions regarding how the club is run should be placed in there.

Regarding voting this will be put into the next addition of True Grip and to receive this you will need to be a SIDC member.

The results will then be put into the members only section and also in the following addition of True Grip.

Lee

We'll do a vote on some of the important issues affecting the way forward for the club. This will be done by post since there are a number not on email, and of those that have specified an email address, a fair few are wrong or are old expired accounts.

All members of the club will get a vote. Craig, if you want to vote you'd best renew your membership. Same applies for anyone else who wants a say in the way the club is run and has let their membership lapse.

I'm not posting anything more on this thread since the subject matter ie Bedford is now a closed book.

Look forward to seeing people at Bedford.

banshi

Christ! This is hard going.


Dbs, thanks for a polite and constructive response, on the basis of the debate thus far it was something of a surprise

Very pertinent, particularly if you compare the discussion in this forum to that on the Subaru Impreza Drivers Club site. 
However it is possible that there’s an intense debate underway in the members area

Phil,
Craigs views and others, however well founded, are irrelevant.

E.g. as an M&S shareholder one is entitled to attend the AGM, express an opinion and register your vote. As a disenchanted customer who doesn’t like the product range you are not afforded that privilege.

So gentlemen may I be so bold as to suggest you either pay up and effect a change, or retire to the sanctity of the plastic pigs, porkers and beamers.

CraigH

Lee,

Can you confirm or deny there will be no more SIDC trackdays bar the National Day. This is a big influence on whether I rejoin or not.

See ya at Bedford anyway

Lee

> LMAO ! ... will there be any Subaru's at this
> SIDC track day ... ?

exactly. Luckily due to perseverance its predominantly impreza.

Craig..don't know is the honest answer. bedford are changing their pricing structure, what I've been told so far makes me think a definite "yes" - who knows what other tracks will do.

this is my last (really, this time lol!) post on this thread. anyone wanting anything else can email me.