Pavlo

Stan has got some "bigger" injectors & is getting a re-map done

 

John,

Very nice words, and I'm sure you'll look back on them with fondness one day.

But.

We all know your going to go internal anyway, so why be shy?

And if you really get to the bottom of EVO tuning costs, you'll see it's just as expensive as the scoob to get over the 350hp sort of mark. The EVO boys are still looking at rods, pistons, better FMIC, bigger turbo, clutch, non-exploding diffs etc etc.

If you want to make the jump to 400hp you're just going to have to accept the cost in terms of time or money or both.

My personal opinion is that many scoob failures are related to long term detonation. The loads put on the bearings, pistons etc is not good, but how many of the people with chips, remaps etc run with a knocklink all the time and make efforts to get rid of detonation? But that's my personal opinion, and it would be nice if it were true, as it would mean that being careful is a solution.

I think it's no coincidence that Andy's car has stayed together, and he has gone to great lengths to avoid det, one way or another, on his quest for power. Perhaps ultimately the engine design and it's draw backs (limited crank web thickness and alloy block being 2 notable ones) mean that 700hp rallycross engines are not ideal, Per Ecklands car being an example.

Rambling now so must stop.

Paul

 

Well I've gone and done everything else I said I wouldn't and now consider a standard Scooby a bit slow and boring when only a few years back I thought they were rocket ships

 

Dont want to say anything until its RR'd. Seems like even RR results are treated as apocryphal - so all in all its not really worth saying anything is it ? !!!

Will let you know how my modest excursion into achieving what the engine builder refers to as a "reliable BASIC" () engine/transmission achieves. No doubt if its high, no one will believe it. If it isn't, everyone will feel smug cos they didn't spend the £10K++ . I just hope the reliable bit is true !

All I know is that on std fuel boost and "undersize" injectors it goes much better than the previous engine, (which was RR'd at 10 BHP behind the P1 which followed (it had exhaust/air fliter mods)- 278BHP and 2656Ft-lbs) until about 4.8krpm when boost rises to 1.8bar to the self imposed 7k-ish rev limit. Keeping it between 4.5-7k ish it goes well.

When the bigger injectors are fitted and the remap is done I've been told it should in theory achieve iro 400 BHP (if calculations are to be believed !). Then, I will enjoy the drive and plan the next mod ! - not worry if certain people on Scoobynet will believe me or not! DRIVER enjoyment is the name of the game - NOT getting a certain round figure power/torque number !!!!

There are many more mods to do - but at present a temporary lack of cash and time to have the car off the road is a problem .

Until the next time, there is not a lot to say - even though I seem to have said it - doh !

Stan

[Edited by StanS - 10/31/2002 8:16:54 PM]

 

I agree Stan and John, once you go into the 300 plus terrortory, especially torque, i think all sorts will happen on the standard uk car.

to quote david, after fitting my turbo,
well he was right on the 1st one.

Yet i am running less torque than him, but then again since my turbo and remap i must have done 2000 miles in 2 weeks, where as Davids (no offence) has probably done 150 since the RR day at Well Lane.

I think if he were to drive it everyday, in the manner i picture he drives, then i do not think the drivetrain would last long. I think he agrees aswell, and does not care, because as John put it, he has the ability to do it himself, which helps immensely(sp?).

I am willing to have ago at anything, within reason, but when David is there helping, i feel pretty confident tinkering with the car.

Anyway, rambling now, WAGONS RULE

 

Yep Wagons do Rule,

But your'e right the Std. Clutch ain't designed to handle that much torque - & if you up-grade that to an AP or Mark R19JKet special or equivilant etc all those forces will be transferred to the next weakest link - gearbox - and then what?

You are the weakest link - Goodbye!

 

Two comments

WAGONS RULE

&

Power is nothing without handling

 

David,

If I drop my new engine into a UK wagon, can I play this game ?

It's a little unrealistic to quote the cost of your mods as costing £1500, because you have done so much of the work yourself, and most don't have your facilities, or abilities !

If you want to make it more realistic, try this.

Work out how many man hours have been spent to achieve your results. The cost them at say, £35 per hour (cheap garage rate) then see how much it would cost for most to just copy your spec' !!!

Mark. Looking for a cheap Wagon

 

**** off mark ... not a chance are you dropping your new engine into a wagon.. unless its mine

I wasted a lot of the time with my car... I reckon I could now fabricated an fmic, pipework and front entry manifold (92 - 96) for £1000. and turn around in a weekend.

David

 

Funny, I was offered a wagon on Tues'

Ok, so that's £1000 for that, and what about the rest ???

Go on, work it out, it will be interesting

Mark.

 

go on mark, drop it in a wagon

 

Wagon for a grand? was it a turbo, if so Ill have it for that price

Wagon £1000
Brakes £1900
Suspension £2500
Block £100
Rods £800
Pistons £800
Crank £800
Bearings £100
Oil Pump £?
Pectel T6 £2500
Braided Lines etc £1000 - Southen Prices
Injectors Rails etc £800
Custom Headers / Up-pipe / Downpipe £500
Garrett GT Series Turbo £3000 Guess??
Cams £400
Headwork £500
Cambelt £60
Engineering work £1000
HKS Hiper £700
Fuel Pumps + Filters + Pressure regs £800
WaterInjection £600
Intercooler £1000
Airfilter £100
Samco Hosing Various £100
Group A Radiator £800?
Dyno Time ??
Mapping ??

What have I forgotten ?

You dont want to see my budget for above

Total £18760 Give or Take..

Then Double the above.

 

clutch,box,diffs and stronger drive shafts????????

 

My red wagon was 278bhp, 272lbft, nothing more than re-map, exhaust and filter.

Getting all nostalgic now..........anyone wanna sell me a cheap wagon?

 

Pricing labour hours....hmmmmmm well if you include the 'thinking' time then my car mods could have cost £10k + parts (£1K)

ps...I'm a slow thinker