Fat Boy

Why are we all going on about the SIDC days? I suspect it's because the old SIDC trackdays were good fun,well populated, well organised and a good bunch of people and we all miss that , but times have changed, I know only too well writing as a newly redundant bloke, and we have to move on.Anyway nostalgia isn't as good as it used to be....

Craig, the power to weight ratio thing would catch all that (400bhp Skylines are not quick),Norris Designs Evo etc are well known and such cars could be headed off at the pass, ie if someone unknown turns up in a Qcar and drives like a loon then they get a quiet word in their ear and they're not allowed next time. Oh and I still want a go in the Westie, pretty please

I've driven an FPA and it was fun,I would love to have a Radical or caterfield loony tunes whatever, I'm certainly not against those cars, but if I had one I wouldn't want to spend the whole day being held up by Stis and evos etc, and I would be.

Who knows , roll on the vote & bedford.

CraigH

But Fatty

If you drive properly you won't be getting held up, scaring people etc.

Power to weight doesn't mean a lot above 80mph if the actual power you've got is quite low - brute power is what's need for that.

Above 100mph, I doubt the Westie will be as fast as a good scoob/EVO/skyline etc.

You can't have a ride unless you change your view and agree with me - that's politics I'm afraid

DavidLewis

Bit of Devils Advocate for Dingy.
What if I owned a Mclaren F1 and fancied some cheap track time, so joined the RSOC. Don't own an RS, neither would I dream of owning one as they are just a slow pile of ****e compared to my F1 I'm just after cheap track time.
There I am, at the next RS Owners Club day, blatting about, every car getting in my way, so I aggressively push my way past, would you be happy about it?
Would you be curtious and pull over and let me through every time I loomed in your mirrors. Would you complain to the stewards every time I got fed up of waiting for slower cars to pull over and over took on whatever line I fancied?

I dont fully agree with the line that the SIDC have taken but can envisage the result if no line is drawn. Unfortunately, when a line is drawn, some people remain inside the line, some people get excluded for being boarderline. "Move the line" I hear you cry.....then someone else becomes boarderline. Move the line again and before you know it, Minardi see an oppotunity for cheap testing time and start attending SIDC track days

On a personal note, I never had a problem with any of the non-scoobs that I encountered on track. Your Escort wasn't THAT fast and Cem and Aaron never drove their Skyline's to full potential. In truth, I got passed by more scoobs that other 'exotica'

I don't think that the SIDC is faced with a problem of faster cars on track, its faced with being overrun by individuals looking for cheap tracktime (compared to bookatrack et al) to the detrement of the 'real' member its trying to serve.

MarkO

LOL - they'd probably still be slower than most of the cars.

Can I just point out here that I didn't notice anyone (least of all Pete) complaining when his slick-shod, rally-prepared RA was lapping significantly quicker than all of the other cars at the Brands SIDC track day that I attended.

gregh

So let's let the SIDC do their stuff, let Chris continue to find other track days outside SIDC (as he did this year) and all have some FUN!

There are enough companies out there doing trackdays for anyone that I find it hard to understand the pressure on SIDC. If the SIDC makes a decision and sticks by it, fine. If my westfield isn't welcome then the Westfield trackdays, the TVR ones etc etc are just as much fun and as well priced, IMHO. For example I paid £100 for Cadwell thru the Westfield Sports Car Club.

Regards,

Greg

banshi

20 or 2. Members. Their opinion should they choose to express it, has more validity than 350 posts on Scoobynet by malcontents that are in the main neither owners of a Subaru or members of the club.

Craig it's the same old argumet with a different slant m8.

Last years discussion was about the influx of members that had no interest in the marque or club and joined simply to benifit from cheap trackdays.

This year it's about risking club funds to provide the same facility to group that don't even need to be members.


Another red herring Mark.
Whether Donno or Brands. Petes car was a Scoob driven courteously & safely by an SIDC member and fully complied with the clubs requirements at that time.

Dream Weaver

FPA???

Jeff Wiltshire

Formula Palmer Audi......single seat race car with 250BHP

MarkO

Yeah, I know. I pax'd in it, and was suitably impressed with both the speed and Pete's driving skills.

I was just making the point that differentiating because a car might or might not be faster than the 'usual' Imprezas on the track is not relevant to the decision as to whether it should be allowed to take part.

T5NYW

iTrader: (4)

FPA I was passenger in Mellows car behind Fat boy when he overtook on the wrong side and in a corner he was lucky the newby didn't pull quickly over and wipe eveeryone out


I have just rebooked Woodlands for Friday

CraigH

Jason,

Yes I know I need my eyes tested, sorry lol

Edited now

DavidLewis

I'm curious, why do non Subaru Impreza owners want to be a member of a Subaru Impreza owners club. I wouldn't want to join the RSOC or the Westfield owners club because I own a Saab. I'm even no longer a member of the SIDC (as I no longer own one)

CraigH

Just because you no longer own a particular doesn't mean you stop having an interest does it?

Am also a member of RSOC as a lot of their cars interest me and of course WSCC. Will also shortly be joining MLR.

If you're no longer a member of SIDC why get involved in a discussion about it (says me with my biggest hypocritcial hat on )

Phil

David

Question why are you reading Scoobynet Then? [not meant to be sarcastic its a retorical question]

I suppose the reason is that the comunity whilst very vocal is a tight knit one and we enjoy each others company

The SIDC members need to decide what they want from the club
hence the questionaire that will be going out
which should settle matters once and for all

Members not agreeing with the majority then can choose not to renew
NON members once seeing the result can choose to join or not

Sounds simple


Phil

CraigH

Jason,

I drive an impreza and track car is a westfield.

Others like Cem used to own and drive Imprezas - now he has a Skyline - should he have his membership cancelled? Would be quite interesting to see how many non impreza owning members there are still.

RSOC - RS Owners Club - no discrimination on what you own
MLR - no discrimination on what you own

You know the only thing that would happen if it was 100% Impreza owning drivers? Inbreeding.

MarkO

I have to say, I didn't find that many reasons to be a member of the SIDC whilst I did own an Impreza. Having said that, if I'd been able to actually do some of the trackdays it would have been a different story.

I no longer own my Scoob, and stopped renewing my SIDC membership a year before I sold it. I still hang around here because I'm still interested in the performance car scene, and the Impreza community is the one I know. I also have made a good number of very good friends through Impreza ownership and the community involvement - although most of them no longer own Imprezas either. It's nice to keep up with the gossip and the 'scene' - particularly as it's not inconceivable that I will buy another Scoob at some point in the future.

However, I have no idea why anyone would continue to pay for SIDC membership when they aren't actually an Impreza owner. I have even more trouble understanding why anyone would do it if they've never owned an Impreza, and don't ever intend to.

Other than using it as a cheap means to access (usually) well run and low-cost trackdays, there can't be any other real incentive. And of course if non-Impreza owners are joining just for this reason, then it strikes me that the club is at best misdirected, and at worst being manipulated against the interests of the 'real' (i.e., Impreza-owning) members.

The problem is that if the track provides a way of getting low-cost track time (subsidised by membership) then those members who don't do trackdays are being ripped off. If, however, the club's raison d'etre isn't to get low-cost track time, then can somebody explain to me why an owner of another marque would actually go to the expense of joining?!?

ChrisB

My point of view...

I've got just rid of my Scooby yet I've renewed for another year. Whilst I've never driven on a true track day (but passengered lots), I'd like to continue supporting the SIDC as I've enjoyed some of the other events that I have taken part in. For example, last year's Tour d'Ecosse, Kames spring day, go karting etc.

To see my membership not wanted is utterly wrong IMO. Hopefully I'll return to the marque at some point in the future but for now circumstances mean I need to run a different car.

Lee

Nah thats cobblers ChrisB just emailed me and asked if chipped TDi's were OK on track He's only remaining a member to get our trackdays lol

Does anyone feel that they have read this thread a million times ? It seems to popup just before and after a trackday.

Someone up there in the previous x pages pointed out FUN (greg?) my god exactly. All of this crap is just that, crap.

ChrisB

Shush! I was hoping the TDi badge will put people off how quick it will be

Lee

Take out one of the seats..I've heard single seaters are well quick !

CraigH

But this cr4p got me to rejoin didn't it?

£30 to have a b1tch - tell ya what I'm gonna get my moneys worth

MarkO

SN's the place to be - you can bitch for free.

Group Bitch anyone?

Lee

If we buy a group bitch, can we all share her ?

Need to get a rota system in position.

DavidLewis

Forgive me if I sounded as though non-scooby owners should not be members, just wondered why they would want to be. I can understand ex-owners remaining loyal to the club (my membership lapsed through me being a lazy bugger ) but can't understand those that have never owned a scoob, nor ever intend to.

Why do I still read Scoobynet........well Scoobynet has moved on a bit since I first registered, what you drive is immaterial and the vast range of personalities on here makes it all the more interesting.

EvilBevel

Urrghhh... probably depends on how big & fast your ... erm... member is

carl

Lee, it's no good trying to get this thread muppetized to move it out of the public eye

Lee

LOL - yeah cos that would make it go away

No mate its just that this goes round n round n round n round.

As phil has stated, all the questions concerning the future of the club and also trackdays etc will be put to the members via a questionnaire. So any discussions here will have zero affect other than to let people get it off their chests. If you wish to have input to the questions that are put to the membership then this thread can rightly be found in the members section of the SIDC bbs.

The "public eye" is irrelevant. Its the "membership eye" that counts.

johnfelstead

So based on the response above, NO ONE wants to take me up on my offer of sitting down with a group of experienced trackday drivers/organisors, the people who actually attend these events, the people who have driven HIGH BHP/tonne and LOW bhp/tonne cars in all circumstances, the people who remember what it's like to be a newbie and the nervousness of that, the people who have strived to make trackdays SAFE and FUN, the people who know what is required to make the car ready for a day on track without it blowing up, the people who would happily give their time to instruct a newbie for an hour........... I could go on but i wont.

Really disapointed in this thread and really disapointed that even now people are not being open minded and ready to listen to experienced track enthusiasts.

We must not forget, SIDC events in future will incorporate other marques clubs and their members, you cannot control what runs on these events without discusing this as a group, the SIDC alone cannot dictate this policy.

To say the SIDC is dead without trackdays is bogus too, 99% of the members dont do trackdays, this is just one facet of the clubs role. But thats not realy what this discusion is about.

Like i said earlier, if anyone wants to sit down with me and actually work out a system that makes everyone comfortable and caters for all, i will hapily spend the time required to do that. But it needs the relevent parties to attend to actually formulate something that is used by all the groups combining their efforts on the days in question. People like Rob Mak should be consulted and included too.

And as to supercars being an issue, utter bollox, i havent seen a supercar driven quickly ever on a trackday and i have been doing this thing since 1993. It's all about the nut behind the wheel and having systems in place to make the newbies feel comfortable and not overwhelmed. It's a very rare thing to see a quick westie/caterham too, most of them are incredibly slow, they just feel quick because its such a raw driving experience. This is not rocket science, it needs proper debate and that isnt going to happen on a BBS.

john b

SCOOBYNET ,it seems to me there are certain people on here that don't even own a subaru , (perhaps it should be renamed ANYTHINGNET) and could not give a toss about the SIDC and They want to muscle in on our track days. perhaps its because they cant get in anywhere else .Bitching about the club makes us commitiee members well pissed off, after all the club is about getting like minded people together to have some fun!! thats all, nothing else.

i wonder if the MLR have to put up with this S**T ?

CraigH

So Scoobynet is supposed to be Subaru only now as well? LOL. Yeah that'd work