Steve Fort

Saxoboy has a point though. Only today i suffered a similar thing..........Spud surge!!!!
I was in Tescos, pushing a trolley, 20lb bag of spuds on board. Admittedly i was pushing it a bit to hard for the conditions (someone had spilt some milk in isle 4......no point in crying over it!), but as i went from a long sweeping right, past the bananas and marrows, i went into a tight left.........the back stepped right out and i went into an uncontrollable spin.
I was lucky to get away with it, the trolley come to a stop as it hit the 'fresh bread' shelves, and no-one was injured (although a french stick looked a bit worse for wear).

I know that i was lucky to walk away in one piece, and i have learnt my lesson........know your limits, especially when you have heavy spuds!!!!!

Brendan Hughes

Steve, thanks for letting us know, I was preparing to go shopping tomorrow.

Were the marrows the green ones or the orangey ones? You left out a bit of detail there which might change the entire equation. If I remember, the orangey ones reflect more light and could have distracted you at the critical moment.

sKunk

Don't let them get you down Saxo_Boy, most of them have never seen above 4000 rpm

Imprezive

Brill thread guys, can't wait for the outcome of this experiment/thread,
Saxo, give us a shout when your goin to drem, would luve
to see that surge mid bend.

Cheers
Billy.

LG John

Fine I give up. My car is more important to me than proving a point to a lot of people I don't know so don't worry John I'll not be asking you to remove a Tek'd ECU from an otherwise dead engine caused by inducing sever surge.

You lot might not believe it - and I truely don't care if you do or don't now - but I do know what messages my car was giving me when I spun it...afterall I was the only one driving it and experiencing it. For that reason I have to laugh at the peeps in the main thread that catogorically stated it was X, Y or Z I did wrong I fully believe I was going for power when it wasn't there and for that reason I was fooked. Lots of other things no doubt contributed, my driving, my lack of anticipation, the tyres - which are dangerously low on tread (new ones getting fitted tomorrow), what I'd had for breakfast and so on. I believe that if I drive well within my own limits (which I do know!) with good tyres, checked geometry and better observation/anticipation and most importantly more fuel, then I should be fine

Steve Fort

Saxo boy, don't take offence mate, i'm only pi55ing about (i actually made that whole Tesco's incident up!).
But i've had some scary moments similar to what you described (maybe not quite so bad) and it does leave you questioning everything that can go wrong, i even questioned my own ability!

.........Go forth and learneth!!!!!!(or something)

EvilBevel

>>John I'll not be asking you to remove a Tek'd ECU from an otherwise dead engine caused by inducing sever surge

That is the ultimate proof to me of how much **** you really are.

<--- Belgium for your friend, so he can go off on his nationalistic crap.

You sir, are total ****.

Mods, feel free to remove, I had my say

LG John

RIGHT!!!!!!!!!! This may well be SB's final few postings ever:

This is what Andy F said in my other thread in general technical regarding fuel surge!

Andy F's car has a self made 390 odd bhp, I say self made cause he's tinkered around so much that subaru wouldn't recognise the thing. He's an engineer, has one of the fastest impreza's in the country and I've learned to respect a lot/all of what he says regarding engineering type stuff. The only point I'm picking up from his statement is that the loss of fuel to the engine under full throttle is actually worse than lifting off

I was corning hard to the right with low fuel - FACT. I was not sliding about (remeber I was trying to take that corner smooth) but was easily cornering hard enough to produce bad surge - FACT. All four wheels were planted and gripping and I was nicely in control of the car - FACT. The rears tyres were very bald all over and particularly so on the inside edges - FACT. What happened to me is simple! I got fuel surge which caused a weight shift to the front of the car due to violent deceleration. This caused the back end, which had less grip anyway, to go lighter and due to the lateral forces come round! On good rubber it may have been manageable but not on baldies which without some decent weight over them quickly let go. Despite getting in the opposite lock, without power it was not possible (with my level of skill) to redress the imbalance created in the car and therefore it continued to spun out of control.

The above accords with everything I felt and experienced at the time and I'm as sure as sure can be that it is what actually happened. I was going fast enough that lift off would have created a very bad spin but I had no reason whatsoever to lift off and had good visibility. The bottom line is I didn't lift off - why would I, the car was half way round the bend (a very predictable bend btw) and was settled. Nevertheless, the surge created the effect of lift off and that created the spin.

I'm not blaming fuel surge as such, I shouldn't have been pushing it at all with bad tyres, I should have checked the fuel and so on but at the point the spin actually happened it was created by the surge and because of it was near impossible to recover.

This post - which I believe to be total FACT - doesn't make me a good driver, doesn't make me a god, doesn't make me fast, doesn't make me special, and doesn't mean I'll go out and drive like a mad man with my new rubber tomorrow night,......it just means that what a large percentage of you (insert bad word of your choice) have been slagging me for actually did happen!

Andy, sorry to quote you and I don't want/expect you to get involved with this but I know you know your **** and if you say that fuel surge can produce an affect as bad as or worse than lift off then thats bible enough for me.

Sorry for this mods, I know you'll be really hacked off about it but I've been under a lot of personal attack (self created admittedly) and I just couldn't leave it without making my final statement

LG John

How do you figure that statement makes me a ****!?? It just shows that I'm not willing to risk my engine to prove a point to idiots like you.

BTW I'm told your part of some EVO club called the IFG (or something similar) which stands for - no joke by the way people - I'm ******* Great Club - and your calling me a ****!!! How could any self respecting person join a club with that name??

Imprezive

Seriously Saxo, im interested as to how this pans out,
an im not pi$$ takin, just interested and on the quest
for scooby knowledge. chin up m8.

B.

LG John

It ok Imprezive I didn't get p1ssy about your post. But I agree with JB that I shouldn't be creating a lack of fuel to an already non-standard engine to try and prove a point. If I go anywhere near E Fortune airfield it'll be to have some safe fun with lost of fuel in the car and to race some of the little glider plane things

DocJock

SaxoBoy

IFG is an ironic statement.
It came about as an antidote to self-obsessed ****wits like you who really do think they are *****ing great*

I'm surprised she didn't tell you that at the same time.........actually, come to think of it, no I'm not.

EvilBevel

SB, next time I'd put together a file on someone else to shaft them for insurance purposes, you can call me a **** son.

Until then, sodd off. Ta

dsmith

ThenNow

LEE P

sB i dont know why you keep saying your under personel attack?
you came and posted and the response you got wasnt to your liking FACT.

i used to be the same with my dad when i was 15, if i didnt like the advice even if it was very true i would say what a load of crap your just getting at me.

i know andyf has given you a glimmer of hope to hold onto but i did 80 laps round donno with slicks on and created fuel surge many times and it just bogged down.

also i went for a few laps with RRH at croft in his RA and at the hairpin we got fuel surge, guess what happened it bogged down, so no need to do your science test.

you will probably end up on your roofwith abit of snap oversteer.

LG John

Oh shock DocJock the other IFG member arrives!

And just what friggin use is this file going to be??? My car isn't damaged!!! My mods are declared, my premiums are paid, I've made no false statements to them about me, my car, my named drivers and all my/there history's! I would say you need proof to get me in trouble but hello, I've not claimed for anything or even actually crashed my car so er, what problem is my insurance company going to have??

Turbo_Six

We're the ones laughing at you as you run out of excuses, though

EvilBevel

Ask AJ buddie, she'll know what I'm talking about

And next time your pal tries a trick on nationalist crap like "Duh, he's from Belgium", maybe he'll want to think again. Small world, walls have ears, some people do have a tiny drop of self respect...

Now wasn't your previous post the last one ?

SCOSaltire

ive never had fuel surge... am i doing something wrong?

usual fill up is 45 litres...

how low do u need to go?

not that i am wanting it

DocJock

You're a bit slow on the uptake son.

Nowt to do with me or Theo...go think about it.

LG John

Dsmith, what I'm getting at is that surge caused my car to unbalance! I can't blame it though because I chose to go fast enough to cause it and with crap tyres. If I'd been going slower I wouldn't have got surge or if I'd had better tyres the unbalance would probably have been felt but probably not lead to a spin.

Hope that helps your

Turbo_Six

Kingsize K2

Fuel surge or not, this makes for entertaining reading

SCOSaltire

what tyres did u have on SB?

was the road really dry, or kinda leavfy or dampish?

i aint clued up on rubber (err, did i type that?) but
ive always thought that slicks (worn tyres) on dry roads - loads of grip.
Ive thought that because of F1 slicks...

someone like to educate me on that?
my old S02s were v worn on the inside and outside edges (esp outside nearside) quickly... and kak in the wet but miracle makers in the dry.

never let the toyos get that low... coz then i got gold wheels

LG John

Just been told what you tried to do.....you evil *******!! Have you nothing better to do that to try and hurt and affect innocent peoples lives!!!! [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

LEE P

Was the road dry? if the road was dry why would bald tyres hamper your progres? less rubber to roll on, less likely to overheat, and a bigger foot print of rubber on the road.

ive tracked on new tyres in the dry and ones which were knackered, i know which ones id rather have! the bald ones on a dry track.

its like process by elimination, thats th tyres out of the way

EvilBevel

What we tried to do ???

Try again. No extra ball.

Turbo_Six

Saxo Boy - Duuuuuh, it wasn't us, mate, she suggested it one night, we laughed at the idea and left it. it was her who went around actually trying to carry itout. Not that I've any proof she had the bottle to go through with it.

I'm not ****ting you, this is how it is. Pay less attention to you - know - who, she's got the pig because we wouldn't let her join.

LG John

Road would be best described as drying but it wasn't patchy. The tyres are patchy though!!

LG John

Well who do you think I'm going to believe