pslewis

I have just watched and witnessed what you get when you mix a FEW (and I mean a few!!) brain cells with a Dyke!!

Truly unbelievable - I am amazed you are allowed to vote!!

I see the Army, after a couple of weeks training are all up and running - managing with a THIRD of the numbers of Firemen - talk about overmanning!!!!

Offer the jobs to the squaddies - they will LOVE it - £21k for a part-time job!! AND not getting shot at!! In fact I may just take one also!! Why not?? ANYONE can do it!!

You will be glad of our nuclear capability when some terrorist state takes a fancy to attack us!! He may, just may, think twice if he KNOWS he and his homeland will also be obliterated!! Its also got to have a Union Jack on it!!

Pete

GirlyTrailerTrash

Charlie Whiskey

Too true!

Pete to be quite honest, Im bored with you, You cant come up with a well reasoned argument so I will either gently patronise you deary, like most people on here do Im afraid Or ignore you....bless!

[Edited by GirlyTrailerTrash - 11/25/2002 11:38:33 PM]

GirlyTrailerTrash

LOL @ Bravo....hehe, they dont want to waste precious drugs on him

banshi

GTT I am delighted that I’ve managed to exert some influence, but remain a little confused

Were you agreeing that I wasn’t patronising, I was older than Mr Lewis, that Bravo and I had reached a consensus view, the firefighters didn’t warrant £30k. my logic was irrefutable, many other people risk their lives, many hard working professionals are exposed to emotional trauma or that we should argue about a potential war with Iraq


BTW The station that watched as the army struggled to control the fireworks factory blaze last week. Proudly proclaim that they answered almost 4,000 calls in 1999, given the collective intellect displayed I'm sure you are able to do the arithmetic.

Don't forget to allow for hoax calls, stranded cats & little boys with their heads stuck in railings will you.



[Edited by banshi - 11/25/2002 11:44:10 PM]

pslewis

TrailerTrash .......... Deary??????????????????????????

Surely to god you dont REALLY talk like that?? You do?? Sorry can't help, suggest you find a CND peacewoman to play with - they will, however, stretch your intellect!! They are however all dykes so you will be well away with the fairies!!

Bravo2Zero - what a name, dreaming of being an Action Man are we?? Bless him - he is a geek in IT and wants to play soldiers

Pete

[Edited by pslewis - 11/25/2002 11:49:08 PM]

steve G MAN

i hear people going on about how firemen cut them out of there cars and so on ok fair point thats there job thats what they do but there are people out there who risk there lifes for much less and there are people out there who may be asked to give there life not risk it actualy give it and they are on less pay so come on now look at it from a different angle if they get it then every body who risks all should. at the end of the day there wage is bloody fine id be over the moon if i was geting 20000 a year

banshi

Pete

It's past your bedtime m8.

Whats happened?

Nurses adopted the F/f work ethic and started sleeping on duty?

SCOSaltire

Great job the Forces... I am thankful for your efforts.

The interviews with the forces guys and the interviews with the strikers shows a stark contrast.

Well done the Government for sticking to their guns.

To the Firemen:
Get back to work and stop being childish and greedy. imho 4% is a good rise when you could all slowly be replaced.

As for danger... ha!
Try doing my m8's job... having to earth a 200 kV line so that other people can work on it... if its not isolated then BANG!
Or wind blowing the earthing pole onto a live high voltage line.

If you try to bully the government to give more money, we will ALL end up paying for it.. job loses, economic problems, higher taxes. I am NOT prepared to settle for that.

This is the wrong time completely to be doing this, it shows how far away from reality some people are.
I do not know if I will have my job in 2 years time... not much security to put down roots, but you do... surely thats a big advantage.
As for pension... more folk would kill for the deal your given... I HAVE TO put MUCH more than 200 quid away a month to have a decent pension.

So what if you cant afford a house in the South East... neither can most people.

Finally, I dont appreciate my life being at risk.

Thank you the Forces... we can ALWAYS count on YOU!

rallycol

iTrader: (4)

Just for your information I went to a picket line today ,aprove or not ,I was shown a wage slip from last month , a firefighter after 18 years service ( which is the maximum /top line pay after 15 years ) net pay is £1100 is this ,too much ,too less,or who cares?

GirlyTrailerTrash

Dont worry Bravo, I am ignoring him from now on. To be quite honest I am bored with him, not enough challenge for me

I like my men intellegent like you

My mail server is down, email soon, honest

pslewis

Bravo2Zero - I have my name for a very good reason??
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You are NOT suggesting for one moment that you have 'BEEN' someone in your life?? Do me a favour - the way you talk on this BBS shows that you aint been diddly, EVER!!

You CERTAINLY would NOT slag-off the fantastic job the lads are doing because the Firemen are a greedy buch of mis-led mis-fits!!

Pete

GirlyTrailerTrash

In fact I am bored with most men on here, they dont stretch me enough

steve G MAN

mm what can i say rally thats a little more than mine and ive just got back from afganistan and ill probably be in some other ****hole in the new year while he is shagin his wife at home lol

GirlyTrailerTrash

Rallycol

Bad news...too little.

fatherpierre

How does £1100 per month equate to £21k per year?

It's a **** wage, though.

steve G MAN

and also rally i was thinkin the firemen got 20000 a year now ive never been good at maths myself but even with tax of that dont add up and i wached the fire strike program tonight and they want it up to 30000 so were 1100 a month came from i dont know i rekon hes been on paint and knocked it up lol

pslewis

And there is 40 people willing to do his job on his money - whats wrong with £1100 a month net for doing bu99er all??

Sounds too much to me!!

Why should they be paid ANYWHERE near skilled engineers or scientists?? They SHOULDN'T!!

Pete

fatherpierre

Such a balanced, reasoned man. NOT.

They do nothing when there's nothing to do - they risk their lives to save you, me, your/my kids, etc. when called upon.

steve G MAN

why has noone come up with the anser to my question why do they desurve it more than the forces we get payed less and like i said we may be asked to give our life not risk it maybe the anser to this one is the anser to the whole thing

SCOSaltire

if they dont like the structure of pay.. then talk about it

but no.. they want 40% for everyone... so it seems

even if it was structured on service, we could not support, or require, lots of very experienced firemen on high pay.
The Team would require a mix of abilities and experience.
That means job losses for some to make way for others.

Besides, if i keep doing the same job then i will get no rise.

My job is 'modernised' because of economic neccessity.
The mentality of 'we cannot touch public sector workers jobs because they are needed' is ballocks and outdated.
Yes... firemen do a vital job.
As do the rest of the services.
Its a poor show if the job cannot be changed over time.
And we need enough of them, but surely technology changes and new methods mean that the job can be done more efficently yet to the same or higher standard.

The firemen have said that they have modernised their work... well good.
But now your asking for a massive raise... and that cannot come out of thin air.
So what if the government got a 40% increase! Thats unrelated to this. Or are you saying that my 5% and no change in pension contribution or any other benifits should also be 40%! Bad argument...
You are not going to get 40%.

fatherpierre

Steve - I'm in the forces but get payed more than firemen.

Forces pay is incremental and goes up year on year and with rank progress. I'm not sure how firemen's pay is structured but it seems that they hit their limit quickly and that's that.

[Edited by fatherpierre - 11/26/2002 12:21:10 AM]

SCOSaltire

steve G MAN

i have total respect for people who would give their lives for their country.

I think you have more of a case than the firemen.

fatherpierre

SCOS: it's a shame you're not on the Armed Forces Pay Review Board!

steve G MAN

father im talkin about the tom on the ground they get paid **** all and not many people in the army get past sgt in the infantry so they too hit a wall

rallycol

iTrader: (4)

£1100 pick up is true ,pension contributions do come into the picture ,but these do not pay for a better standard of living now.

[Edited by rallycol - 11/26/2002 12:25:16 AM]

fatherpierre

True.

The Army do get the sh1tty end of the stick.

You dig in - we check in!

[Edited by fatherpierre - 11/26/2002 12:26:17 AM]